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Orion in IL 12-05-2008 12:51 PM

RE: baiting
 


The intention of the corn in this situation was to kill a deer.
Do we really believe the hunter hunting a corn field edge is not intending to use the corn's presence in his situation to aid in the taking of a deer? You decide.

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Please re-read my post.

The answer is no.
But the HUNTER did not BAIT.

The farmer planted the corn - the hunter took advantage.

It was pretty clearly stated.



Germ 12-05-2008 12:53 PM

RE: baiting
 

ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily

What about micro food plots that are so popular? Ive seen a guy berate baiting, yet sets on miniture clover plots that allow him a shot at any point of entrance.


What about Decoys? Not much sport there. What about doe in heat urine? Not much sport there. Shoot, why a compound bow? if you want a challange, get you a self bow. Or better yet, make you a bow and go kill your deer with it. I do it, its much more difficult. So I guess I am allowed to berate everyone on this board.


Here is a bamboo backed Osage bow I built this year and shot most of my deer with this season.

And a few hogs

Or how about a yew recurve I built several years ago.


Both hogs and the doe were shot during a still hunt. So i guess i can be an elitest. All of you who buy your bows, hunt from a tree, or use scents or Decoy are unethical and I simply loath you.:eek:


Oh the Irony just makes me laugh.


Some of you guys really need to enjoy what you do and not get bent out of shape at what other do. But then agian, hunters wont quit hateing each other until we kill the whole sport.

Micro food plots?[&:] I call them Kill Plots and I have used them with great success in MI. I use them to draw(bait:D) does away from my sanctuarys. Then with a well place arrow I kill the doe and do not have to trample through my best hunting spots.

30x30 near corn or acorns is where I set them up.

I will use any legal method to kill a whitetail where I hunt;)

GregH 12-05-2008 12:54 PM

RE: baiting
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


The bait pile will not offer the deer any lasting nutritional value after the season as the food plot would either.
Disagree....unless your farmers leave their corn in the fields all season long and don't harvest it. If a person is supplemental feeding/baiting....and does so all year long....I'd say he's doing MORE to offer the deer a lasting nutritional value.


The intention of the corn in this situation was to kill a deer.
Do we really believe the hunter hunting a corn field edge is not intending to use the corn's presence in his situation to aid in the taking of a deer? You decide.

Deer will feed in a picked corn field all winter long. They eat more than just the "corn", they eat the remains of the plant and discard of the combine. So it is a lasting food source.

Hunting a corn field edge in farm country is different than hunting a big woods oak flat........How?

There is a difference between hunting food sources and bait piles......right?

GMMAT 12-05-2008 12:55 PM

RE: baiting
 

The farmer planted the corn - the hunter took advantage.

It was pretty clearly stated.
So if my buddy kills a deer tomorrow.....over a bunch of acorns "I" put out.....he's simply "taking advantage" and not baiting?

Ben / PA 12-05-2008 12:55 PM

RE: baiting
 
Burnie, simple question, answer honestly:

Which hunter do you respect more?
Hunter A plants food plot in spring by clearing ground, tilling ground, and fertilizing. Continuous care weekly through summer and early fall. Kills buck.
Hunter B buys corn in bag two days before season, dumps on ground, comes back in two days. Kills buck.

This is a crude analogy I know,but I am curious. A or B? Anyone can play too.[8D]

burniegoeasily 12-05-2008 01:02 PM

RE: baiting
 

ORIGINAL: Ben / PA

Burnie, simple question, answer honestly:

Which hunter do you respect more?
Hunter A plants food plot in spring by clearing ground, tilling ground, and fertilizing. Continuous care weekly through summer and early fall. Kills buck.
Hunter B buys corn in bag two days before season, dumps on ground, comes back in two days. Kills buck.

This is a crude analogy I know,but I am curious. A or B? Anyone can play too.[8D]
Honestly, I could care less. If hunter A enjoys what he isdoing, great. If hunter B enjoyswhat he is doing, Great. I respect that they are both enjoying what they do. I’m a bowyer and make bows all the time. I use my own custom bows and tend to push myself to my personal limits to get the enjoyment I seek. I don’t give a rats back side how anyone else does it, because I’m not in it for others or to force others to prescribe to my method of madness. Its this elitest, soap box mentality that puts more wedges in our dieing hunting population.

GMMAT 12-05-2008 01:03 PM

RE: baiting
 

Hunting a corn field edge in farm country is different than hunting a big woods oak flat........How?

There is a difference between hunting food sources and bait piles......right?
Only in the sense (they're different) that the oak flat IS Indigenous. Which, to me, is HUGE.

In your second question.....if one is indigenous and the other is artificial....yes...huge difference. Like you said earlier....if they're both artificial....the difference becomes the size of the pile.

Orion in IL 12-05-2008 01:07 PM

RE: baiting
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


The farmer planted the corn - the hunter took advantage.

It was pretty clearly stated.
So if my buddy kills a deer tomorrow.....over a bunch of acorns "I" put out.....he's simply "taking advantage" and not baiting?


Are you a farmer in the acorn business?



burniegoeasily 12-05-2008 01:08 PM

RE: baiting
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily

What about micro food plots that are so popular? Ive seen a guy berate baiting, yet sets on miniture clover plots that allow him a shot at any point of entrance.


What about Decoys? Not much sport there. What about doe in heat urine? Not much sport there. Shoot, why a compound bow? if you want a challange, get you a self bow. Or better yet, make you a bow and go kill your deer with it. I do it, its much more difficult. So I guess I am allowed to berate everyone on this board.


Here is a bamboo backed Osage bow I built this year and shot most of my deer with this season.

And a few hogs

Or how about a yew recurve I built several years ago.


Both hogs and the doe were shot during a still hunt. So i guess i can be an elitest. All of you who buy your bows, hunt from a tree, or use scents or Decoy are unethical and I simply loath you.:eek:


Oh the Irony just makes me laugh.


Some of you guys really need to enjoy what you do and not get bent out of shape at what other do. But then agian, hunters wont quit hateing each other until we kill the whole sport.

Micro food plots?[&:] I call them Kill Plots and I have used them with great success in MI. I use them to draw(bait:D) does away from my sanctuarys. Then with a well place arrow I kill the doe and do not have to trample through my best hunting spots.

30x30 near corn or acorns is where I set them up.

I will use any legal method to kill a whitetail where I hunt;)
And I respect you for that. I respect that people do what they enjoy, not try to one up each other. I do not respect those who try to force their notion of what a hunter should be, on others. Heck, im taking out some friends to do some hunting on my land. They will be hunting deer and hogs with bows. I am going to grab a rifle and set up on the opposite end of my land to try to call varmints. Could I use a bow to do that. Sure, I do it all the time. Im a little weary from the deer season, so I simplywant to set up, relax, and call yotes and cats and shoot them from far away. Heck, I had to pull out a compound this year and shot one of my bucks. I broke a finger and had heck drawing my heavy longbows. Just like you said Germ, ill use every legal method to hunt. Most of the time I like to challenge myself, but this next weekend, im not in that mood.;)

Germ 12-05-2008 01:08 PM

RE: baiting
 

ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily


ORIGINAL: Ben / PA

Burnie, simple question, answer honestly:

Which hunter do you respect more?
Hunter A plants food plot in spring by clearing ground, tilling ground, and fertilizing. Continuous care weekly through summer and early fall. Kills buck.
Hunter B buys corn in bag two days before season, dumps on ground, comes back in two days. Kills buck.

This is a crude analogy I know,but I am curious. A or B? Anyone can play too.[8D]
Honestly, I could care less. If hunter A enjoys what he isdoing, great. If hunter B enjoyswhat he is doing, Great. I respect that they are both enjoying what they do. I’m a bowyer and make bows all the time. I use my own custom bows and tend to push myself to my personal limits to get the enjoyment I seek. I don’t give a rats back side how anyone else does it, because I’m not in it for others or to force others to prescribe to my method of madness. Its this elitest, soap box mentality that puts more wedges in our dieing hunting population.
Ben it's hunting and it's suppose to be fun.


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