Is it really that much better??
12-04-2008 | 05:33 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter
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Pretty simple..you want bucks to reach maturity..don't allow guns during the rut..bucks are thinking with the wrong head...you uever done that before.. I have. [:@]
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry
Im confused, can you expound on how no hunting during the rut allows for bigger antler growth over a deer across the state line? Because guns aren't allowed during rut in IA, a 5.5 buck there has bigger headgear than a 5.5 deer across the line in MO or MN?
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter
Yep..IA, is always going to have big bucks. Food, cover, low pop of people and no gun season during the rut, plus no over the counter tags sold. MN and MO allow guns during the rut ansd over the counter tags sold..coincidence they don't have as big as bucks..yet geographically the same. I think not.
Too many hunters out east of the Mississippi IMO. Move west young man..low pop of people and big deer. Plus Obama is from IL..enough reason to leave that state.[8D]
Yep..IA, is always going to have big bucks. Food, cover, low pop of people and no gun season during the rut, plus no over the counter tags sold. MN and MO allow guns during the rut ansd over the counter tags sold..coincidence they don't have as big as bucks..yet geographically the same. I think not.
Too many hunters out east of the Mississippi IMO. Move west young man..low pop of people and big deer. Plus Obama is from IL..enough reason to leave that state.[8D]
12-04-2008 | 05:35 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
A guy will hunt a state such as PA, NC, AL, FL, TN, KY,___(fill in the blank) and they get frustrated. They are hunting average hunting grounds like everyone else. Then said person will take a trip out of state, but here is the kicker...when they come to the promised lands to hunt, they don't hunt normal hunting grounds like the majority of hunters living there do....they go with a big wig outfitter who has access to 30,000 acres in the Golden Triangle of prime time land managed for huge bucks...and huge bucks they see. They go from hunting standard lands to hunting the mother load of all managed farms to hunt, and attribute the difference to state lines. They return to home state, and tell everyone how much people in IL, KS, IA, __, etc have it made, huge bucks behind every tree.
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
12-04-2008 | 05:38 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
Matt I would spoon my self to death in Iowa
Here is a great stat, and i hunt some great ground in MI. I am truly blessed IMO. In 2007 in 1 sit I seen 3 mature bucks in KY. In two season in MI I have seen 2
Here is a great stat, and i hunt some great ground in MI. I am truly blessed IMO. In 2007 in 1 sit I seen 3 mature bucks in KY. In two season in MI I have seen 2
12-04-2008 | 05:44 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Not for this guy. LOL
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
A guy will hunt a state such as PA, NC, AL, FL, TN, KY,___(fill in the blank) and they get frustrated. They are hunting average hunting grounds like everyone else. Then said person will take a trip out of state, but here is the kicker...when they come to the promised lands to hunt, they don't hunt normal hunting grounds like the majority of hunters living there do....they go with a big wig outfitter who has access to 30,000 acres in the Golden Triangle of prime time land managed for huge bucks...and huge bucks they see. They go from hunting standard lands to hunting the mother load of all managed farms to hunt, and attribute the difference to state lines. They return to home state, and tell everyone how much people in IL, KS, IA, __, etc have it made, huge bucks behind every tree.
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
12-04-2008 | 05:44 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Not for this guy. LOL
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
A guy will hunt a state such as PA, NC, AL, FL, TN, KY,___(fill in the blank) and they get frustrated. They are hunting average hunting grounds like everyone else. Then said person will take a trip out of state, but here is the kicker...when they come to the promised lands to hunt, they don't hunt normal hunting grounds like the majority of hunters living there do....they go with a big wig outfitter who has access to 30,000 acres in the Golden Triangle of prime time land managed for huge bucks...and huge bucks they see. They go from hunting standard lands to hunting the mother load of all managed farms to hunt, and attribute the difference to state lines. They return to home state, and tell everyone how much people in IL, KS, IA, __, etc have it made, huge bucks behind every tree.
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
I'm not saying there aren't bigger deer. I'm not saying they aren't managed better by DNR (from what I hear, IL is a joke but IA is good? I Have no clue though). I was just stating how ALOT of guys have a skewed perception of those states. TV shows, guided hunts, all the hype, isn't representative of the whole state really.
But look at it this way Matt...how many years have you hunted IL? How many mature bucks have you taken? Which state was your biggest buck from? (I don't know these answers, not loaded questions)
I have a friend who regularly hunts KS though, and the stuff he tells blows my mind. Private and Public, never outfitted...knocking on doors and having friends there. He attributes it to less hunters, but more importantly..concentrated habitat (I think anyway) I'd love for him to get on here and give his take on this.
12-04-2008 | 05:45 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Not for this guy. LOL
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
A guy will hunt a state such as PA, NC, AL, FL, TN, KY,___(fill in the blank) and they get frustrated. They are hunting average hunting grounds like everyone else. Then said person will take a trip out of state, but here is the kicker...when they come to the promised lands to hunt, they don't hunt normal hunting grounds like the majority of hunters living there do....they go with a big wig outfitter who has access to 30,000 acres in the Golden Triangle of prime time land managed for huge bucks...and huge bucks they see. They go from hunting standard lands to hunting the mother load of all managed farms to hunt, and attribute the difference to state lines. They return to home state, and tell everyone how much people in IL, KS, IA, __, etc have it made, huge bucks behind every tree.
I've said it many times, I hunt PUBLIC land in Illinois........by anybody's definition it's pretty standard ground, and it's so much better than any private ground I've hunted in PA in 24 seasons it's almost comical and depressing at the same time.
Then move to an even better piece of ground in Illinois in a better location, not outfitted but simply private like "jmbuckhunter's ground, and that gap gets even crazier.
And John tells me the land one county above him is that much better than HIS that isn't outfitted land either and you start to get an idea of the comparison from my eyes.
If I was turned loose on a $5000 Pike Co. week long hunt I would probably pass the hell out before I killed anything.
12-04-2008 | 05:46 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
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Matt I would spoon my self to death in Iowa
Here is a great stat, and i hunt some great ground in MI. I am truly blessed IMO. In 2007 in 1 sit I seen 3 mature bucks in KY. In two season in MI I have seen 2
Matt I would spoon my self to death in Iowa
Here is a great stat, and i hunt some great ground in MI. I am truly blessed IMO. In 2007 in 1 sit I seen 3 mature bucks in KY. In two season in MI I have seen 2
12-04-2008 | 05:48 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
Va, I've never hunted deer in any other state besides Illinois, where I live but I've read many of the posts on this forum and realize we do have it good here. Big bucks do not, in general, walk around all day long looking for does, although in some areas I have seen this happen, especially close to bedding areas. I would say that the only reason hunting would be better here is the deer population. Naturally, in a northern state, the deer are bigger. Body size coincides with colder temperatures. If the management is correct, you will have a larger percentage of big bucks. Add to that, the entire state is row crops, corn, soybeans, along withclovers here and there.
If you decide to hunt here, don't expect to see a buck behind every tree. Realize, it is still hunting andlocation is a key. It may be difficult to access private ground, but usually if you knockon a few doors, bowhuntingaccess can begranted.Access during gun season is a little more of a problem though.
I would say the only reason it may bebetter, is thenumbers of deer you can pass up in anticipation of that big buck walking by.
If you decide to hunt here, don't expect to see a buck behind every tree. Realize, it is still hunting andlocation is a key. It may be difficult to access private ground, but usually if you knockon a few doors, bowhuntingaccess can begranted.Access during gun season is a little more of a problem though.
I would say the only reason it may bebetter, is thenumbers of deer you can pass up in anticipation of that big buck walking by.
12-04-2008 | 05:49 PM
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RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster
Matt, some of the biggest bucks in my area is killed on public ground. Near the corner of "Nice try and Fat Chance", you know the area.
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Matt, some of the biggest bucks in my area is killed on public ground. Near the corner of "Nice try and Fat Chance", you know the area.
Dammit Man!!!.........Shhhhhhhhhh
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