Do you HAVE to get better?
12-02-2008 | 11:38 AM
#41
Nontypical Buck
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From: Castile N.Y.
RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
Motown hit it on the head...and I really did mean it that way (Im the lost puppy meaning Im not even in on the game of Cat and Mouse.) I really suck at starting from scratch on setups...but I am learning, or getting better, as the thread relates to.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Trev.....that is classic! I'll have to save that one for future use!
(think about it[8D])
MOTOWN (chris) said once that hunting bucks is like a game of cat and mouse where the hunter is rarely the cat. (If I messed that up, MOHO...I apologize).
That's cool.
Its like a game of cat and mouse for me the first year on a new property..I feel like a lost puppy.[&:]
(think about it[8D])MOTOWN (chris) said once that hunting bucks is like a game of cat and mouse where the hunter is rarely the cat. (If I messed that up, MOHO...I apologize).
That's cool.
12-02-2008 | 11:42 AM
#42
Nontypical Buck
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From: Northwest suburbs, Illinois
RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Gomer did not suck as much as me[8D]
1 thing I have learned, you can have the plan, improve your hunting habitat, improve your entrance and exits to your stands. If you are boneshead and do not plant any corn, you get what you deserve
I have 60 acres of nasty cover i planted, and hands down I'll take a cornfield over them. Big bucks in SLP MI love corn fields.
1996 2 mature bucks shot next to corn field
1997 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1998 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1999 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2000 buckless
2001 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2002 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2003 buckless
2004 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2005 2mature buck shot behind corn field
2006 1 mature buck shot walking out of corn field
2007 seen Mr mass all year had corn
2008 did not see diddle and no corn
Anyone see a pattern? I may be disking up a CRP field in the spring, for corn
A season of dinkers and you shoot a dinker on steriods
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
No I loved the Andy Griffith Show, still do. I understood the reference, just a feeble attempt to make a joke fromit[&:][8D]. Im still banking that Gomer Pyle was quite the hunter.[8D]
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Sorry Trev. I know you hate to hear this....but you wouldn't WOULDN'Y understand....lol (probably never heard of "Gomer").
If you're as old as I am.....it's funny. Gomer was a real piece of work!
Sorry Trev. I know you hate to hear this....but you wouldn't WOULDN'Y understand....lol (probably never heard of "Gomer").
If you're as old as I am.....it's funny. Gomer was a real piece of work!
1 thing I have learned, you can have the plan, improve your hunting habitat, improve your entrance and exits to your stands. If you are boneshead and do not plant any corn, you get what you deserve
I have 60 acres of nasty cover i planted, and hands down I'll take a cornfield over them. Big bucks in SLP MI love corn fields.
1996 2 mature bucks shot next to corn field
1997 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1998 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1999 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2000 buckless
2001 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2002 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2003 buckless
2004 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2005 2mature buck shot behind corn field
2006 1 mature buck shot walking out of corn field
2007 seen Mr mass all year had corn
2008 did not see diddle and no corn
Anyone see a pattern? I may be disking up a CRP field in the spring, for corn
A season of dinkers and you shoot a dinker on steriods
Good luck Germ. Plant some corn will ya!
12-02-2008 | 11:48 AM
#43
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RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
ORIGINAL: Germ
1996 2 mature bucks shot next to corn field
1997 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1998 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1999 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2000 buckless
2001 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2002 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2003 buckless
2004 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2005 2mature buck shot behind corn field
2006 1 mature buck shot walking out of corn field
2007 seen Mr mass all year had corn
2008 did not see diddle and no corn
Anyone see a pattern? I may be disking up a CRP field in the spring, for corn
1996 2 mature bucks shot next to corn field
1997 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1998 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1999 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2000 buckless
2001 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2002 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2003 buckless
2004 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2005 2mature buck shot behind corn field
2006 1 mature buck shot walking out of corn field
2007 seen Mr mass all year had corn
2008 did not see diddle and no corn
Anyone see a pattern? I may be disking up a CRP field in the spring, for corn
Corn does suck when you don't have it. The gut pile from my buck from this year (11/23)was torn into the first night...the stomach remains looked like someone dumped a 50 lb sack of corn there....Im thinking the neighbors standing corn patch is a gold mine.[:'(][&:]
12-02-2008 | 11:51 AM
#44
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
11 mature bucks?[:-]
Corn does suck when you don't have it. The gut pile from my buck from this year (11/23)was torn into the first night...the stomach remains looked like someone dumped a 50 lb sack of corn there....Im thinking the neighbors standing corn patch is a gold mine.[:'(][&:]
ORIGINAL: Germ
1996 2 mature bucks shot next to corn field
1997 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1998 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1999 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2000 buckless
2001 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2002 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2003 buckless
2004 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2005 2mature buck shot behind corn field
2006 1 mature buck shot walking out of corn field
2007 seen Mr mass all year had corn
2008 did not see diddle and no corn
Anyone see a pattern? I may be disking up a CRP field in the spring, for corn
1996 2 mature bucks shot next to corn field
1997 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1998 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
1999 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2000 buckless
2001 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2002 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2003 buckless
2004 1 mature buck shot behind corn field
2005 2mature buck shot behind corn field
2006 1 mature buck shot walking out of corn field
2007 seen Mr mass all year had corn
2008 did not see diddle and no corn
Anyone see a pattern? I may be disking up a CRP field in the spring, for corn
Corn does suck when you don't have it. The gut pile from my buck from this year (11/23)was torn into the first night...the stomach remains looked like someone dumped a 50 lb sack of corn there....Im thinking the neighbors standing corn patch is a gold mine.[:'(][&:]
My Dad is in there and so is my uncle
12-02-2008 | 02:15 PM
#45
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RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
It depends. Does a hunter amass more data the more he hunts? YES. Does he get smarter? Not necessarily. It depends on if and how he analyzes the data, what conclusions he draws, and if he applies them to future hunting trips. Say some bozo hunter wonders into the woods, sees a deer in a spot and shoots it. Depending on why that deer is there he may or may not glean useful information. He may set up a stand in that spot and hunt there every year from then on not realizing that the buck was there because it had been jumped up by a dog, or some nature walker. Those set of circumstances may never happen again. So did he learn something? Sure, that particular buck was at that spot at that time. If he doesn't understand the why, he really hasn't gotten any useful information.Some people repeat the same mistakes year after year without ever learning from them and taking corrective action. Some, really don't care. They just enjoy the season and after the first week or two go back to watching football, satisfied with their experience in the woods or with friends. Comes down to motivation, observation, ability (analytical, abstract,and rational thought) and information resources. If two guys play baseball the same amount every year are they both going to play equally well? Probably not.
12-02-2008 | 02:24 PM
#46
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From: Castile N.Y.
RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
ORIGINAL: Talondale
It depends. Does a hunter amass more data the more he hunts? YES. Does he get smarter? Not necessarily. It depends on if and how he analyzes the data, what conclusions he draws, and if he applies them to future hunting trips. Say some bozo hunter wonders into the woods, sees a deer in a spot and shoots it. Depending on why that deer is there he may or may not glean useful information. He may set up a stand in that spot and hunt there every year from then on not realizing that the buck was there because it had been jumped up by a dog, or some nature walker. Those set of circumstances may never happen again. So did he learn something? Sure, that particular buck was at that spot at that time. If he doesn't understand the why, he really hasn't gotten any useful information.Some people repeat the same mistakes year after year without ever learning from them and taking corrective action. Some, really don't care. They just enjoy the season and after the first week or two go back to watching football, satisfied with their experience in the woods or with friends. Comes down to motivation, observation, ability (analytical, abstract,and rational thought) and information resources. If two guys play baseball the same amount every year are they both going to play equally well? Probably not.
It depends. Does a hunter amass more data the more he hunts? YES. Does he get smarter? Not necessarily. It depends on if and how he analyzes the data, what conclusions he draws, and if he applies them to future hunting trips. Say some bozo hunter wonders into the woods, sees a deer in a spot and shoots it. Depending on why that deer is there he may or may not glean useful information. He may set up a stand in that spot and hunt there every year from then on not realizing that the buck was there because it had been jumped up by a dog, or some nature walker. Those set of circumstances may never happen again. So did he learn something? Sure, that particular buck was at that spot at that time. If he doesn't understand the why, he really hasn't gotten any useful information.Some people repeat the same mistakes year after year without ever learning from them and taking corrective action. Some, really don't care. They just enjoy the season and after the first week or two go back to watching football, satisfied with their experience in the woods or with friends. Comes down to motivation, observation, ability (analytical, abstract,and rational thought) and information resources. If two guys play baseball the same amount every year are they both going to play equally well? Probably not.
12-02-2008 | 03:09 PM
#47
Giant Nontypical
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From: The OH-IO
RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
We had a saying..."Some guys have 20 years of experience and
some guys have 1 year experience, 20 times"...
some guys have 1 year experience, 20 times"...
You would think that everyone would get better with more woods time.... But, that just doesn't happen.
I will use my step father and his brother as an example.....
They have 90 or so years hunting experience between the two of them and they put in a good amount of time every year..... Neither one has ever shot a mature buck bow or gun. In fact neither have ever shot a 100+ inch buck.
Both are outstanding carpenters though, well above average. Two of the best I have ever "met".
Some people just get things.... While others don't. They get carpentry, butsetting upon deer, they don't "get it".
They always tell me how lucky I am that I consistantly kill nice bucks..... It isn't luck, I don't bother to try to explain it anymore.
12-02-2008 | 04:29 PM
#49
Dominant Buck
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RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
Maybe someone already said it, (in my best singy songy voice)"Oh Lord it's hard to be humble. When you're perfect in every wayyyyyyyyyy"[8D][8D][8D][8D]
Actually, the older I get the more I figure it's OK to get worse. I really do. I've killed enough deer and good deer over my lifetime to satisfy anyones desires. I still yern for the hunt and the adventure, but really, I don't care if I shoot macho buck anymore. I don't go through all the extra steps to ensure success I once felt were mandatory. I don't buy gimmicks trying to improve. I may even smoke a cigarette if I feel it will add to the peace and quiet of my time in a tree. NOPE, I think it's just fine to get a little worse as time goes on. It's OK just to have fun as long as you have some success once in a while. NOPE, I think I've arrived in that I now feel it's just fine to get a little worse. Serious as I can be. Just as long as I don't mess up anyone elses fun, I'm good.
P.S> All this talk about mature budks yada yada yada... it's all relative to location, time spent and population. Good representative deer would be a worth goal I think.
Actually, the older I get the more I figure it's OK to get worse. I really do. I've killed enough deer and good deer over my lifetime to satisfy anyones desires. I still yern for the hunt and the adventure, but really, I don't care if I shoot macho buck anymore. I don't go through all the extra steps to ensure success I once felt were mandatory. I don't buy gimmicks trying to improve. I may even smoke a cigarette if I feel it will add to the peace and quiet of my time in a tree. NOPE, I think it's just fine to get a little worse as time goes on. It's OK just to have fun as long as you have some success once in a while. NOPE, I think I've arrived in that I now feel it's just fine to get a little worse. Serious as I can be. Just as long as I don't mess up anyone elses fun, I'm good.
P.S> All this talk about mature budks yada yada yada... it's all relative to location, time spent and population. Good representative deer would be a worth goal I think.
12-02-2008 | 05:36 PM
#50
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From: NW OHIO
RE: Do you HAVE to get better?
I agree (davidmil) with the mature buck scenario anyways. I hunt in northern ohio and id be happy with an average buck around here. I would say barringdumb luck lead slingers, 65-75 % of all the mature bucks ive seen in my 4 years of bowhunting have been killed are on land that are well know honeyholes that the same one or two guys has hunted for years. So thats my number ine priority for09 season, early-early scouting followed by trying to convince farmers why they should allow me to hunt their property. Which you all know is incredibly EASY. blah blah blah anyways.
Yes bowhuntings learning curve is the steepest and farthest to the top of anything that comes to mind. Is there a (top)????
. blah blah blah anyways.Yes bowhuntings learning curve is the steepest and farthest to the top of anything that comes to mind. Is there a (top)????