is poaching ever justifiable?
 

is poaching ever justifiable? imho not if it is about horns. if somebody is feeding their family, and they still show respect for the animal then i feel it is.

whata yall think?

please vote but also explain your feelings please.

RE: is poaching ever justifiable?
 

Not in my eyes![:'(][>:]

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I vote no. I'm not sure that anyone these days really has tolive off the land.

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Only to the poacher.

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Poaching is never justifiable. If you need the meat to feed your family and thats why you poach you might as well go to public land instead of having a chance of getting caught poaching and having to pay a fine or going to jail. Thats what I think anyways.

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NO, if people need meat, they can get free deer meat. Too many people justify poaching under the fictitious guise that they need to feed their family. I call it the OJ Simpson effect, if you tell yourselfa liefor long enough, you even start believing the BS yourself.

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im sry i didnt understand what you meant there bout going to public land.

and just to clarify, im not talking horn hunting here but a doe or a yearling. iv been amazed at the double standard alot of folks put on horns or not.

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That's why I donate a deer almost every year! It goes to food banks to feed people that feel they need to poach to eat. No excuse![:'(][>:]

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Never acceptable Horns or no horns

EDIT: I cant think of anyone on this site, based on reading post on here for over 2 years, that would have a double standard on poaching a doe vs a buck

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i understand that it is cheating. i am majoring in wildlife biology/conservation so that ic an become a game warden. but it seems most of yal live in better educated, better off communities. come to rural OK, or AR and it is a totally different picture. if i knew of a hfh program i would also donate but i dnt know of any such, as it is i usually donate to less well off friends/family. but anyway, coming from where i do i cam see certain circumstances where it is justifiable, wrong yes according to the law, but also potentially unavoidable

edit. maybe nobody on here does. im sure everybody on here is perfect, but i do know a ton of ppl who have double standards. in fact i know very few who dnt have, those that dnt hunt for meat not horns. the majority of trophy hunters i know do have double standards

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So, these people that need to poach deer to feed their family, do they also steal the bread, vegetables, fruit, milkand all of the other kinds of foods to feed their family? Why not "poach" cattle? You would get more meat for your crime. Or how about "poaching" pigs or chickens? That's all OK because they need to "feed their family" right? This BS about needing to poach to feed one's family is just that, BS.

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i am in 100% agreement with you. already took this arguement up in AFhunters post the poacher who took a deer in bow season with a shotgun and got caught.

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there actually is a difference tho. the cow, chicken, pig etc etc belong to an individual. the deer belong to the public. meaning everyresidentin the U.S. it could be argued that the cow chicken etc would be stealing, whereas the deer would be taking your share

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If I am ever lost in the middle of nowhere with just my bow or rifle, I guarantee you I will shoot something for food. Season or limit wouldnt matter. So, to answer your question, would poaching ever be justifiable in my eyes, YES. [8D]

Is a scenario like that likely, no. But it could happen ;)

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LOL No, the deer belong to the state as a regulated resource. If that weren't the case then we could all go and drill oil on state land to "get our share" ;).

If someone needs to break the law to feed their family then why does it matter what law they break and whether they steal from an individual or the state?

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There's a slight difference between survival and poaching for tonights dinner ;).

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NO

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Where exactly does one draw the line? Should one be starving, ravenous, or just have the munchies to be able to poach a deer?

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Yes, there is a difference, but his question was "would poaching ever be justifiable?" I answered yes and gave a scenario.

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If we are talking true philosophy were one justifiable scenario can cause one to answer "yes" to the above question on wether poaching is ever justifiable, then YES>.

If we are talking with our normal brain and 99.9% of the other examples of poaching, then NO>.

So my answer is Yes, because the question was stated in a way that is asking for an absolute answer even if poaching is justifiable for survival for example.

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its a hard judgment call...is it justifiable than for that same person to rob a grocery store for the milk for his family or for that person to rob a bank to pay the bills...

True it is sad when a person can not take care of his family or does not have the means to do so; but we do live in a country with help for such situations....I don't think we have come full circle where the those aid's have failed to the point where crime; in any form, is justifiable.

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Yes.

So my family's hungry.....and I have the option of:

1. Going to a food bank and declaring my need for assistance.

or

2. Killing an animal that is plentiful (here)and providing for my family, myself.

I'll choose No. 2. In that case it's justifiable in my eyes....and I really wouldn't care what anyone else thought. Would I steal to feed them? Yes.....if it came to that.

The difference between this and killing a cow that belongs to someone else is certainly evident, isn't it? So, the deer belongs to the state. Lame.

Justifiable to who? In who's opinion? I wouldn't be seeking other opinions.

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ok maybe i have worded this wrong. not just to feed your family but also in survival instances or any possible reason that there could be. would you starve to death or kill an illegal deer. there thats better

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If you had to "survive in the wilderness" by poaching a deer do you really think the state would charge you with poaching LOL .

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If one is hungry and financially strapped ...God put the animals here for a way to feed people way before the DNR came into the game.

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In one sentence you say you would steal to feed them and in the next you say there is difference betweenpoaching and killing(stealing)a cow LOL. Interesting LOL. Stealing from the state is ok but stealing from an individual is not?

Too proud for assistance but not to proud to lose money (fine), your vehicle, possibly your freedom all for poaching. Even more interesting ;).

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I voted that it is not justifieable(sp). I think that if and only if you are stranded in the middle of the forest with out any means of getting food then it would be acceptable.

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Still illegal..unless the DNR has a clause that says that lost guys get to eat game out of season. BTW...How about these guys making these survival flicks on Discovery channel and catching anything they can to eat.. they are surviving cause they have to make a film..

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if it was the only way to feed my family i would. But not sure it is the only way.
Though with the way things are headed i think it will become common. ALL i got to say is JERICHO

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U saying he is guilty?? I thought a jury found him innocent..lol... God took care of him..didn't he? The Goldberg family had to wait a while..but God says "Vengence is mine."

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I'm thinking that if someone can get stranded in the "middle of the forest" then it is likely they won't be able to find a deer to poach ;).

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There is a difference between vengeance and justice. I feel if the Goldberg's hired a hit man to wake the sob. That is justice. Though still legal.
If someonesay molested a kid of mine. I would kill themlong before the jury found them not guilty.
Lets all be honest people in this country are stupid for go sakes look at the election.
Sometimes it has to be done out side of the govt.
We all know he was guilty just the jury was stupid and the cops where corrupt

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There are millions of deer. If my kids were hungry, and I had no other means, Id be a poaching machine.

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Maybe not in NJ.

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I hate poaching. However, if I needed the food, and couldn't even afford the tag,I'd probably do it. For the "kill"or a set of antlers NO WAY. I don't see that ever happening for me but I suppose it could happen in some places.

As for people not needing to live off the land...move to AK. Most people up there I know shoot a moose and catch salmon for food for the year. Yep they live off the land alot up there.

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I agree with this.

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The question posed was, "is poaching ever justifiable?"
My answer is yes. You can't put conditions about "people don't have to live off the land" or "anyone can afford a tag" etc. Put yourself if the worst possible situation and then ask yourself the question again. If the US gets invaded and wild stuff happens, is it not justifiable to shoot a deer in February to feed the family?


If the question were, "is it ever justifiable to run a red light?"
My answer is still yes, there is no difference.:eek::eek::eek:

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Stealing in order to feed your starving family is illegal but ethical. The same reason applies to this. The law is the law however and if you get caught, just sayin'..

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Are people seasons starting to end? ;)

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It's only the tip of the ice-berg!:D:D:D