Swamp I agree on all accounts. "Real world" would suit me (as a consumer) "better".

My 60-70# BT Allegiance actually bottomed out (on the BC) @ 71#'s. the one on the shelf beside it was 70#'s. My 50-60# bottomed out at 60#'s. No worries. It's plenty capable for what I use it for.

And having the ACTUAL IBO for the weight I ordered (and the DL I ordered) IS a plus. Tells me they don't fudge it (can't!). I like that.

I was wondering, does anyone know what kind of string/cable material they are using and how many strands they use in there standard sets? This could also have a big effect on speed......

Shane

Mathews at least in 07 was using 452x. They were using a lower strand count as well, lower than what BCY recommends.

I waited until I personally shot the bow today to post anything to prevent spreading misinformation. I shot the bowusing a 325 arrow, cranked down to 65lbs. Keep in mind you lose efficiency typically when not shooting a bow at peak weight. The bow had a peep, loop, and nock points tied in, and was using a NAP Quicktune 360. At 29" (measured actually 29 1/16" AMO) it shot 322. This was produced through the same chrono that gave me the speed I used for the sight tape for my Constitution. That sight tape is accurate to 80 yards, so iI would say that chrono is pretty dead nuts.

The bows draw weight was measured on a Pelouze 7710, most likely the most accurate commonly available hanging digital scale. Based on what I saw,I'd say their speed rating is pretty darn close.

I rarely believe when most people share speed #'s online, it's too easy to use a bow scale, chrono, or arrow scale that will produce poor results. Just MHO, but there is no way to ensure consistent measurements are being made.

Not quite sure how to take that one. I rarely believe a LOT of what I hear from "most" people online. When you say it, though....I believe it.

I measured the arrow weights myself...and chrono'd my bow at the same time, today. It is what I said it was. I didn't check the bow #-ages (I've checked mine when I got it...and it's a few months old). It's the same chrono I've been using for years....and the same one that saw my target arrow from my 82nd shot at 337fps at 62#'s.

I'm not claiming the instruments were calibrated by NASA. I'm telling you what they shot, today. I gave you those numbers.

Wasn't meant as a shot at you Jeff, hope you didn't take it that way. What I'm saying is that a 1% error on the chrono, combined within a 1% error on the arrow scale and bow scale, could skew a number a significant amount. I'd bet that 80% of chronos, arrow scales, and bow scales are +/- a few.........I've seen and used enough of them to see it happen all the time.

Also one other thing to think of Jeff.......the Reezen you stated was 4fps faster using the same arrow, same specs........compared to your Allegiance, which is rated at up to 335fps.