So who is king of the bow hill this year???
 

Bowtech was white hot last year with all the super speed+no shock bows. VFT has been a great launching pad for them.

This year they seem to have slowed a bit. Still moving forward and cutting edge but seem to have lost a little momentum. The extreme VFT doesn' t seem to have everyone talking and the Patriot dually is a great bow I' m sure, but it' s still a Patriot........which a lot of people already own. They needed another trend setter IMO.


Mathews LX I am sure is a very nice bow............but V notch limb pockets for a better fit is the big innovation from the leading force in bows??? ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz They make great bows that' s for sure.....but geez their last couple " big" innovations have been attached string vib stoppers, a roller cable and new limb pockets???? Wake me up when the fun starts!!


Hoyt......They have to be thrilled with the response to the cam 1/2 system. I know I have heard more people talking about Hoyts this year then last. The Razortech is probably the hottest hunting bow for this year. The Hoyt guys are winning shows and all seems well with the shiney red apple bows. Good for them. Hoyt has really hit a home run this year. I have not shot any new Hoyts yet but have yet to hear anyone say they were not sweeeeeeeeeeeeet.


I think plenty of other companies have done a good job this year don' t get me wrong.

I think the animal tracks in the risers of Reflex bows are VERY cool AND they have the cam 1/2 system to boot!!! Bravo Hoyt once again.

The Martin cougar also has paw prints that are cool in the riser just to be fair.


Ben Pearson Freedom shows yet another company employing VFT


Competition makes for better bows every year............I for one am glad to see the momentum shift from company to company. Keeps them on their toes!!



Any thoughts???

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Atlasman,
Good topic, but I don' t know if we can pick a " king" every year. The companies can' t be expected to come out with something groundbreaking every year. I do think, however, that Hoyt has taken the market by storm this year. Looks like a great concept. Only time will tell.
Charlie

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Might still have the " Patriot" name attached to it, but the Patriot Dually is nothing like the 02' Patriot......unless 3/4" more brace height and 20fps faster qualifies it as " Same Ol' Patriot" ;)
I like the fact that BowTech addresses customer concerns from year to year and makes an effort to improve upon those criticisms........grip,balance,weight etc.
I look to them to be a major player year in and year out now, and they should have a great year.
Gonna sell a ton of Pat Duallys to the short armed crowd and guys like me who like " Overkill" in as shootable of a package as I can find.

Hoyt........very nice stuff, C.5 is impressive......plus you gotta respect a company who has the cajones to completely abandon the now " traditional" single cam system. Cudos to Hoyt, nice lineup!!

The big surprise to me is Mathews........all I hear from that direction is crickets and a soft spring breeze. Not a whole lot of noise from the faithful?:)

Some others that will be big this year?.......AR is getting some good reviews and creating a bit of a buzz around the boards, but for the most part the " King of the Hill" race is pretty quiet this year.
I still wish the Merlin gods would accidentally drop a Max2000 or 3000 from the heavens for me to try........been interested in those bows for quite some time but I just haven' t taken the plunge to try one yet, and it looks like I' ll have to wait another year as my bow budget just ran out for 2003.
ALpine' s new line-up looks nice as well, I had a chance to play with one at the Harrisburg show and still really can' t figure out why that company doesn' t get it together and take off........too interested in " Rubber thingies" I guess.;)
And darnit sooner or later I' m gonna get a new Oneida!! Yeah you heard me AN ONEIDA!!!:D[8D]

My personal " King of the Hill" ? I think as far as hunting bows go(since we ARE in the bowhunting forum).......its gonna be tough to beat the Patriot Dually. 28" draw shooters who can now have their honest 300fps+(if they so choce) Hunting bow and just about an 8" brace height to boot. A little stiffer on the draw than what many of the single cam crowd is used to, but the performance is there for the taking.....and that draw cycle really butters up in the 60# model.

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I think the BowTechs will sell better than last year. It' s a bold move to come out with so many dual cam bows. But I feel people are seeing the light re: dual cams. The Pat Dually has to be the best chance for short draw archers to get some speed with a heavy arrow, and still have ample brace height. The VFT and Pat single cam should be hot for the one cammers. My vote goes to BowTech. They sure listened, and responded, to customers thoughts concerning grips, weight, and balance.
Hoyt' s cam & 1/2 is very nice. I liked the Razortec I shot real well. If I wasn' t a BowTechie, I' d shoot the Hoyt.

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That is the beauty of King of the hill........you are easily knocked off----you don' t stay there for long------and once you get bounced you fight like heck to get back to the top.

No offense meant to any company........there can only be one at the top and just wondered who people thought was on top this year by the look of the new lines.


They better come out with something groundbreaking if they expect people to shell out $600+ for new bows each year. If the new bows aren' t better then the old ones people would have no reason to buy.


If you own a Legacy are you gonna run out to get an LX??? Why??? So you can have V shaped limb tips?? BOOOOOOOOOORING!!!!!

At least Patriot owners can try a dually if they choose (like Phil) Hoyt owners have whole new cam systems to check out, some bow lines are offering VFT for the first time......etc. Something new....a reason to buy.


I love the fact that Hoyt is getting a ton of buzz this year (I don' t own a Hoyt) If anything it will make the top companies realize they have to keep up or fall behind which equals death in this business.

10 to 1 Mathews comes out with something more then nicely fitting limb pockets next year........and that is because Hoyt and Bowtech are getting so much attention now that Mathews surely has taken notice.

I hope they never stop trying to out do each other. We are the real winners in that battle.

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Matt

I didn' t mean to belittle the Pat dually. I am sure it is quite the sweet bow. I just don' t see many people running to the shops to trade in a Patriot they just bought last year for $650 for 20fps.

I think the Pat dually will get a ton of NEW buyers........more then guys trading in a Patriot for a Patriot anyways. I could be wrong....that is the beauty of an opinion ;)

The VFT extreme I am sure is just as sweet but the lower brace height may cause people to look elsewhere. I shoot a 6.75 brace height and have no trouble but people have that 7" figure they focus on.

I think Bowtech is doing wonderfully. They aren' t going anywhere but up. Just think they slowed a little and Hoyt stomped on the gas........Mathews has fallen asleep IMO.

All their bows are great........but there can only be one king ;)

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Atlas, I know that.......that' s what the little ;) was for!!

As for not turning in a 02' Pat for a 03' Dually Pat?HMmmmmm

Let' s see, I did, as well as my buddy Frank, and I think about 4-6 people on this board alone including Ausie Guy, Jeff etc......... and probably more. (if anyone else did as well, speak up, now I' m curious)
You see BowTech took a bow we all thought was great, listened to what we would like to see changed, balance issues, weight, grip and " boy wouldn' t that bow be awesome in a Dual Cam?" etc. AND THEY ACTUALLY DID IT!! :D A guy has to feel obligated to buy one then right!?[:o]
I' m not sure many people are necessarily gonna dump their single cam 02' Pat for a 03' single cam Pat , but alot of them sure are jumping ship for the Dually.

I don' t think BowTech has slowed at all, and I think if we could see their first quarter sales numbers that would back up my hunch.........but I do agree that Hoyt has pressed down the accelerator for 03' as well.

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I don' t mean to be the idiot but personally i love the matthews over the bowtech, hoyt, PSE etc... any day the price might be high but it is way worth it and i don' t like how you are talking so much trash about them.
They aslo added a new cam to the LX to and it is faster than the legacy [:@]

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Oh yeah i forgot something you are talking about how matthews is lazy at upgrading

look at your title to the post

" whos the king of the bow HILL

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b-rice,

I don' t think atlasman was bashing Mathews at all. He never said anything bad about there products. But, you have to look at the whole picture, Mathews really done any ground breaking moves this year. BowTech brought in more dually' s (to please the crowds), plus, they brought in the Extreme VFT. Hoyt entirely ditched all single cam' s to get the cam and a half system working, which has proven to be an awsome system. Some other companies are making breakthroughs, Browning with there dual yoke system and High Country with there all carbon bows (not really sure if it was the best move). Mathews really didn' t do anything earth shattering. I bet that next year Mathews will have something comming out that is going to turn alot of heads, but, lets face it, this year they didn' t.

It is not so much about being king of the hill as bringing in new ideas. Go check out EBay and see how many Mathews are for sale on there. About half of all the bows on there are Mathews. Sure, alot of people are selling them to get the new LX, but, I bet that even more are selling them to go get a new Hoyt, BowTech, ect....

No bashing done, last year Mathews seemed to be the " break-through" company, and, this year they aren' t. There is no company that can make brand new and ground breaking innovations each year. But I wish they would...... :D

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You' re not an idiot for loving Mathews............They have some great bows.

The topic is about who is " king of the hill" this year and in my opinion 2 years ago it was Mathews, last year it was Bowtech and this year it is Hoyt. I base that on which company has created the most buzz in the sport and has everyone talking about their bows.......and more importantly they have people lined up to buy their bows.

It' s just my opinion man...........trying to have a little fun here in the offseason.


Everyone I ask is buying a Razortech or other Hoyt or a Bowtech of some sort and they all give the reasons that I listed as why they can' t wait to get that bow.

I have yet to hear even one person at a local shop or shoot say they couldn' t wait to get their hands on those V shaped limbs of the LX!!!! After all nothing is more exciting on a bow then limb pockets :eek: Can you honestly say that the innovations (or lack of) on the LX are comparable to the stuff seen on the new Hoyts and Bowtechs??


I am not talking trash about them at all. They are the ones with the slogan " Catch us if you can" Hoyt and Bowtech " can" and " did" catch and in my opinion pass them in the last 2 years.

Like I said already........I am betting Mathews comes out swinging next year with something very new and exciting to get back some of the thunder they have lost recently. If they do I will be the first to vote them " king of the hill" for next year.

I just find it difficult to get excited about a roller cable, string bumpers and snug limb pockets.

Don' t take it personal dude.

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I really have no idea what you mean.

Who is king of the bow hill???.............OK I am looking at it. What am I supposed to see?

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It is 9 fps faster and the brace height was reduced from 7 1/4" on Legacy to 6 5/8" on the LX.


Did the cam speed it up or the shorter brace height?? The LX is a great bow I am sure.


I think you are missing the feel of the thread. It' s not about bashing.

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I get tired of the who' s better than who deal , but IMHO :
I' ll say Hoyt is the most innovative this year!
Bowtech is still the fastest and fastest across the board !
The Mathews LX is a very fast bow, smooth, excellent asthetics, requires no limbsavers or hush kit on the bow, conservative riser, no valley of death,and limb pockets you can back the poundage all the way down on and still have optimum performance ! It gives the best performance in the cleanest looking package out right now to me !!

Maybe not the most innovative or fastest this year but Mathews quality is still the best in my opinion !! - Not that the others are bad....just not as good STILL ! IMO !:D

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Buck Magnet, the number of Mathews bows on ebay is probably in relation to the number of bows sold over the last few years, in comparison to other companies. Also, the prices that people get for their Mathews bows as compared to Bowtech and Hoyt, are much closer to retail. I had a Legacy that I sold and was quite pleased with the price that I got. I seriously considered buying another brand, but, if all things are equal with these bows, then resale price has to play a factor on buying a new one if you like to change every year. After looking at the new prices of Hoyt and Bowtech vs what price they were getting in the resale market, I opted for another Mathews, the LX. Now, this isn' t the only reason I purchased another Mathews, I just happen to like their products, as I' ve owned three different Mathews bows. I' ve also owned a Bowtech, Darton and numerous Brownings. After this coming hunting season, I will probably sell this LX and buy a new bow that comes out next year. Will it be a Mathews, don' t know yet. The nice thing is I will get more money for the Mathews and will be able to buy a new Hoyt, Bowtech or Mathews.

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CBM

This thread is just for fun and wanting to know which bows people believe have taken the sport by storm this year and placed themselves at the top at least for now.

No one is saying the LX isn' t a great bow. I am sure it is sweet.

I just stated that there isn' t as much " buzz" about Mathews this year as compared to the days of the Legacy and Q2XL. I just don' t see as many people out there saying they can' t wait to get.........or wish they had a LX. IMO the Hoyts and Bowtechs are looked at more as " THE" bow to get......at least this year. I don' t even know anyone that has an Icon.

There are plenty of great bows out there and I am sure the LX is one of them. For whatever reason (I listed my opinion on a few) it doesn' t seem to be " THE" bow everyone wants this year. That honor goes to the Razortec and Patriot dually IMO just going by what I hear and see.


GEEEEESH........you guys are touchy.


Just have some fun with it............I shoot a Fred Bear TRX and they sure aren' t gonna be anyones choice for " king of the hill"

WHO CARES???

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The LX' s limb pockets could be an awesome improvement over regular limb pockets. The only problem is people that aren' t pro' s (such as I) didn' t know there was an issue with regular limb pockets until mathews told me so. And then I have to wonder about the salesman explaining how the limb pockets are so much better to the buyer who might have been trying to decide between a legacy and a LX .
Buyer- " so these new limb pockets are great? does that mean the legacy' s are not???"
I' m just saying if Mathews is going to say that it' s a vast improvement then they should have put it on all their bows.

I' d like to see a SQ2 with about 15 more fps, string suppressors and the new- better than the rest- limb pockets!! That would be my king of the hill.

I' d also like to see the Diamondback VX with about 20 more fps and solid limbs. I' d of bought it in that configuration.

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Dave , I garentee you that something along that line will be put out next year. They' re do for a short ata bow.

Atlasman, I' ll reword my post a little , as I wanted to express my opinion but not sound irretated ! But I was ,after all the ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz, BOOOOORRRIINNGG, and the third post of yours on one thread regarding the limb pockets . You seemed to be on a mission to express how unimpressed you are with the limb pockets ! One time would have been fine !

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I bought a Merlin HQ35 toward the end of last season so I wasn' t looking to buy a 2003 bow this year, but I still went out and checked them out because I like looking at new toys. Here is my feelings on the 2003 offerings. Hoyt' s Cam 1/2 is very nice. It offers a great blend of speed and smoothness that is just what I look for in a hunting bow. Unfortunately, I am not a fan of split limbs (even though Hoyt' s are the best in the industry IMO) and I am very over the Tec riser. I have a short draw so the Patriot DC and its counterparts interested me. I drew both the Patriot DC and the Black Knight and it is obvious where that speed comes from. The weight stacks up immediately and remains throughout the draw cycle and then drops into an almost non-existent valley. While the additional speed is attractive, that would not be a good hunting bow for me. I prefer a smooth controlled draw and if you draw those bows you had better be prepared to shoot because if you need to let down you are likely to be busted. I would like to see BowTech come out with a Patriot next year that offers a more conservative cam. Granted you wouldn' t get the same speed, but with a smoother draw and longer valley I would definitely look into buying a Patriot DC. I haven' t had a chance to shoot the new Mathews bows, but since their innovations for this year haven' t been drastic they are most likely the same quiet, smooth, accurate bows that they have always been. I think they have been trying too hard the last two years to offer something " new" and have disappointed their following. It would be interesting to see what they could do with a hybrid system. I would love to take a look at the new Merlin bows, but I don' t have a dealer near me. The Omega system looks like a competitor to the Cam 1/2 and the Darton CPS system and with Merlin' s Fusion limbs would be very sweet. I have been told that the Rapid 2 cams are even smoother than the Rapid cam and offer several more FPS, (maybe an upgrade for my bow???). All in all some great new bows this year, but nothing that has my money burning a hole in my pocket.

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Cmon dude don' t be so sensitive. On a mission??? Why is it that no one......and I mean NO ONE can take even the slightest negative statement about Mathews??

I don' t understand.

I said I thought Bowtech slowed a little bit this year too and I also said that I thought the lower brace height of the Extreme VFT and just putting out the Patriot again would not inspire current Patriot owners to want a new one. A couple Bowtech loyal shooters pointed out that the Patriot dually offered a lot more new stuff then people may realize. Fair enough.......They new I wasn' t bashing Bowtech or the Patriot as bad equipment or taking a shot at Bowtech as a company. All I said was Hoyt raised the bar and has everyone talking, and wanting the cam 1/2.

This thread is getting sidetracked before it even starts............for no reason.


It' s a simple question and we should all be able to have a little fun with it giving opinions as to why we voted the way we did........without people taking offense as if we were telling mother jokes or something.

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Atlasman , Let' s not do this again !! The land thing was enough !!

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Never wanted to do it in the first place.


So your vote is Mathews as king of the hill???


cool

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I am sorry for my misunderstanding i thought you ment to say king of the bow kill instead of king of the bow hill:D

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No problem man.........I was a little confused and thought I was missing your joke :D


Just trying to have a little fun while it is still too cold to shoot much outside and the season seems like forever away.

Your signature looks like an Elk being shot by a Flu Flu arrow ;)

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I' ll have to agree with Matt re: the Patriot Dually. It is a much improved bow, when compared to the 02 Pat. Weight, grip, speed, balance, all improved. People that only take a shot or two complain about the valley being short. The thing is, it is different from what most people are used to in a single cam bow. After shooting for awhile, you become accustomed to it. And I can' t explain it, but the Duallys hit like a truck. Much harder than I expected for the draw weight (mine is 55#). The Pat Dually isn' t the only innovative bow this year from BowTech. I' m still voting for BowTech.;)

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While most companies have come with different ideas this year.
Some good some not so good but IMO the only 2 companies that listened to their customers was Bowtech and Hoyt.

Pinwheel12 said a while back that if they keep the current trend then they would re invent the dual cam and both these companies are doing just that.

There is no other company that is looking after us draw lenght challanged people like Bowtech has.
Yes I have the Pat Dually and yes I sold my 02 Pat to get the new Dually and now I have a Pro40 Dually on order in target colors for 3d.
What other companies can claim to have a kids bow that will do 256 - 262?
They also brought out another version of the BK2 just for short draw shooters still with speed to burn.
BT also brought out the LadyHawk a grown up version of the Rascal for female archers.

So I guess my vote is still going for Bowtech.

But I am not ragging any other company as just about all companies these days makes quality bows.

Its just that Bowtech and Hoyt are the only ones listening to their customers and to me thats what is important.[8D]

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I will " buck the trend" and go with a short response. :) It should be no surprise that I think Hoyt should get the " King of the Hill" award for this year. The Cam.5 system is relatively innovative....and when you throw in Hoyt' s quality and design then you find a sure thing for most folks.

I just wonder who is going to be next year' s " King of the Hill" . ;)

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I shoot a Hoyt Ultratec and haven' t shot a nicer bow yet. BUT , that said , I dont think I could honestly consider them " king of the hill" from an innovation point of view considering the cam.5 credit belongs to Darton.
I was at a proshop a few weeks ago that sells both Hoyts and Dartons and the owner said that Hoyt is paying royalties to Darton for the cam.5:(

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I would have to give BowTech my vote, hands down they are doing something right.

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I would have to say Hoyt this year. A lot of people are really interested in this year' s lineup in my neck of the woods. Next year it will be someone else who comes out with the hot new idea.

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it still looks cool even if it is a flu flu arrow

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Not to get side-tracked here but I always thought it was a " phoo-phoo" arrow. :D

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Two pheasant seasons ago, I took a fellow pheasant hunting in my bird-lease area. He had recently dumped his Remington 11-87, and shelled out $1400.00 bucks for a new 12-gauge Ruger over-under.

Being the lease-area had sections that called for quick shots, as well as long shots, and that I was also armed with my upland (pointing) Lab, I decided to take my 1950 Remington 16 gauge " Wingmaster" pump, w/29" mod barrel, loaded with No. #6 high-brass w/chilled shot.

Being the guy was my guest; I hung back, worked my Lab, and let the fellow have the shots. After working almost the entire lease-area; the guy was dragging his butt, that Ruger had beat the fellow black and blue, he had shot almost a full box of shells, and only clipped one bird that he did not kill.

Being I tried to never hunt my Lab without putting down a bird or two for his work (old Max has passed on), I took some shots in the last 300 yards of the area. Two birds shot at about 40 yards, one shot at about 30 yards = three dead birds with a..... 51-year old, 16 gauge pump.

Moral of story.........

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Example of type 1 Flu-Flu fletching



Example of type 2 Flu-Flu fletching



Trueflight calls them Flu-Flu........that' s where I got it from.

" His mama call him Clay.......I' m gonna call him Clay"

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c903

It' s not the indian?

-Chief[:-]

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well i think the razortec is the most talked about bow so fare. but the bowtecs arent fare behind i shot most of there bows and really liked the extream vft. the alpine bows seem to be catching on i have seen alot of guys using them at 3d shoots. but i think hoyt will be king this year.

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For those caring to know ..Mathews is on a 10 year plan....Releasing little things over the next few years....If you put all your ideals out in one year...What do you have for the next????? Hoyt with their cam n half was great...But we all know Hoyt changes cams every year...So how long will the keep this one????? BowTech ..What can you say but WoW.....They sure have put alot out there in a short time....

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The Cam and three quarters? Or possibly the Two and One third Cam?

;):D

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