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I would have tried to make peace with the landowner of the land right next to my hunting spot ....

see the similarities of the ethics thread I started earlier ....

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Ok man, heres what we gonna do.

You PM a few of your HNI buddies, as many as you can think of. Give them this guys name and number. We/They make a couple of friendly *67 phone calls, politley asking the return of your deer.;)

If that doesnt work, I think Preacher Tony knows some people.

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All I can say is, that buck would have gone home with me, come hell or high water. That I would guarentee you! One way or the other. BTW,that guy sounds like a real smacked ass.[>:]

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Man That odes suck. but as others have said. if he doesn't hunt and is in possesion of the deer or was in possesion of the deer(as we know he was since he didn't let you get it) then there is a legal matter there for the game warden.
of course remember that any action could have a worse reaction to your hunting abilities on that land.

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A BMW? It sounds like he was mad at you for shooting one of his pets! You'll probably see him in the back yard tomorrow burring him with his kids and all of that meat will be wasted. Maybe you can offer to polish his beamer? :D

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I make im an offer he can't refuse ......

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Tim -

This is a pretty bad situation to be in. I feel for you. I believe we all know that this guy needs a sack punch to say the least. I would try to get him on the phone or something, and try to have a conversation with him to see if there is anything possible for you to do to retrieve your deer. If not, I would try to find out what he did with the animal. In Michigan, it is against the law to tag an animal that you did not legally kill. I'm sure that is the case in PA. That means, the neighbor either took the animal, and tagged it illegally so he could keep it himself, or took the animal without tagging it. I believe that both of those actions would be illegal. The only thing he could do with the animal is leave it where it was at.

It sucks, but I don't think there is a whole lot left you could do.

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You guys have a real problem with skunks in the area right;) time to start eliminating the problem!!

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Is it illegal fo ryou to put a huge sign in your yard that says he ie a theif and steals deer?

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I feel just asbad for you as the rest. What he did was a crock of crap.

But like somebody else said, if that was in Illinois and you trespassed to get that deer and the guy pressed charges...the CPO would take your deer. Legally speaking I need permission to cross the property line to retrieve any deer that falls on another property. If they don't grant it, you can call the Department, but all that they can do is to urge the land owner to let you have the animal. If they refuse...oh well. They can leave it there to rot if they want.

I am going to take the opposite stance as most here. If you knew that there are issues with this guy and that this had a chance at happening, why would you set up where he can watch you from his house. Yes, I read where you said the deer use that area. Every time you hunted that area you took a chance at this happening. Now that it happened you want to try and get even with him and keep the tensions between you even higher.

Why not be the bigger man, go and knock on his door. Applogize for the events of the prior morning and see what can be done to see that it won't happen again. If he is anti hunting maybe he would agree to let you on his property for the deer if that deer was donated to hunter feeding the hungry or something. Show him that hunters aren't as bad as he may think. You retaliate and you only make his view of hunters worse.

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This is not right....!!! I'm serious....Any animal that can be proven shot on your land should be yours....we need to change this law..

I cant imagine how it would feel to lose the excitement of this harvest and only have a trail cam pic...The hunter CAN Not judge how far the animal will run...that guy in the BMW needs to venture back to the city where he came from...I'm sorry..just my thoughts...He/She's not in the right frame of mind.

I'm upset about this.

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I hope to here an update.

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Man that sucks....I have a few questions...

Don't game wardens have the authority to go on whoevers land if it involes "game" or hunting issues without a search warrent?

Aren't there "wasting laws"...shooting deer and leaving them lay?

You should have asked your CO "If I go grab that deer right now, in front of you, what's the worst you can do to me"? If he said write you up for tresspassing and that's it, then you could have strolled over and got it.

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Tim, I feel horrible for you, but Im glad you didnt do anything to get yourself in any legal trouble. A zillion thoughts have gone through my head thinking about how I would have handled it, or what I would have done. I think your decision was probably the best choice you could have made although I cant deny in my younger days I wouldnt have just gone and got the deer, or had some kind of confrontation with the guy but at that point he wins as you are now having to legally defend yourself. This is just one of those situations we all dread as hunters. I'm really really sorry bro, its just a darn shame all the way around.

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Check your PM box because their is a message from me, let me know what you think of that Idea.

Ryan.

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This is not true.

It happened to me 3 tears ago. When I was asked where I shot the deer I was honest and told the warden. When I was asked where I recovered the deer from, again, I was honest. I asked what was going to happen and the warden said they were going to confiscate the deer and give me a trespassing ticket. I then asked what they were going to do with the deer. He said that they were going to donate the meat to the needy and have the head mounted for their collection. I told him that they had better put the meat and head in a freezer because I was going to contest it and if I won, I was going to want the meat and head back. He then made some calls to his superiors and a little while later came back and told me that I could keep the deer. He also said I was still getting a ticket for trespassing. I got a lawyer and he got it thrown out of court before I ever made an appearance. It still cost me $300 for the lawyer though. [:@] The lawyer told me it was like if you were playing ball and your ball went into someones yard, you could retrieve it. This was in Ill.

Anyway, it cost me some money but I got the deer (12pointer) and no ticket.

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Actually, Greg, you just proved my point.

Confiscation is their first move..You got lucky. Don Higgins had to plead guilty to trespassing, pay a 500.00 fine plus court costs and have six months supervision in order to get his buck back.

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I don't think your point was proved. They never confiscated my deer. The land owner wanted the state to claim the deer because he couldn't. He didn't legally obtain (kill) the deer and the warden told the land owner that the state can't claim the deer.

The deer was killed legally so it was legally mine. The trespassing was a whole other matter. Nothing to do with hunting since I wasn't armed or hunting. I was "recovering" my property.

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Keep us posted. i feel like i need some reconciliation of this matter lol!
you have my utmost sympathy. way to keep your head on straight.
Derek

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Would there be 10 pages of replies if it was a doe?

Set up yards from an area where recovery is not allowed is accepting the fact that you may not recover a deer.
Certainley no grounds for being surprized, shocked or crushed.
Possible outcome was known prior to dropping the string.

Steve

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OK, keep hunting there. If you lose another deer to this guy, that one is on you. You know you don't have permission to recover a deer on his land why continue to hunt there and take the risk? Move away from the property line so if you get a shot you have a better chance of the deer falling on your side of the line. If you hunt out of the same stand and lose another deer that crosses the line, well, YOU WASTED THAT ONE!

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First of all that really sucks. I was under the impression that game wardens have almost unlimited power when it comes to animals being killed, possessed, etc...

My question is of legal possession. If this guy is an anti-hunter, he would not have a deer tag. However, he now has a deer in his possession. If he does not have a tag and he does have a deer in his possession...I would call the game warden again and tell him this scenario, then ask him about the laws of poaching and possessing an illegal deer. In Michigan you cannot even remove a deer from a car accident without a road kill permit from the police or you’re subject to fines. Sounds like the game warden had probably cause to enter the property as he and the State police were called to the scene and saw the deer. If the guy did not have a tag or want a road kill permit, then you would think the game warden would confiscate the animal.

It always brings up the idea of possession. You have have a legal State endorsed tag / ownership of that animal. I realize property rights, but if my kid or dog ran onto your property are you going to keep them too and not let me go get him? I would have went and got the deer even if the DNR took it.

Sorry it happend. My father always said that no matter where you go and no matter what you do, 5% of the people in the world are A**holes. Unfortunatley, all we can do is avoid them.

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As from the PA state hunting guide lines:
[align=left]Common Violations[/align][align=left]A review of the most common violations[/align][align=left]of the Game & Wildlife Code during[/align][align=left]recent concurrent antlered/antlerless[/align][align=left]proved to be:[/align][align=left]• Unlawful taking, possession and[/align][align=left]transportation of wildlife.[/align][align=left]• Failure to properly tag big game.[/align][align=left]Deer must be tagged immediately[/align][align=left]after harvest and before the carcass[/align][align=left]is moved. Tag must be attached to[/align][align=left]the ear and remain attached until the[/align][align=left]animal is processed for consumption[/align][align=left]or prepared for mounting (Use a[/align][align=left]safety pin to attach tag to ear of deer[/align]you’re planning to get mounted).

Call the game commission and report him for poaching. The deer was dead on his property as witnessed by the law and game commission. Where did the deer go? It didn't get up and walk off. So if he moved this deer with out being properly tagged, he is in violation of the state game law and can be punished by law.


Or you can always dump a bunch of raccoon urine on the property line. With the right wind, he will be hating life. That is some of the worst smelling stuff possible and they can't prove a damn thing.

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At this point, the best thing you could do is talk to a lawyer quick, and see what your options are. Become an expert on the law in this area. I would focus on the landowner moving the deer without a tag, you may be able to put him in hot water and cause him a whole lot of stress. He may want to relieve the stress and give you the deer so he doesn't get fined himself. If possibleI would try to ambush those deer a bit further back so if you shoot another one, it has a better chance of expiring before or closer to the property line. Good Luck.

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The land owner did not kill it,he was not hunting.he has no responsibility to tag anything. He found a dead deer in his yard, same as a road kill, cwd or any other form of death.
He can dispose of it any way he wants.He would need a permit if he wanted the meat and pay a cost to PGC if he wanted the horns. In this case he wants nothing but to deprive Tim of his buck.

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Update is...I seen 9 buck from this stand in 2 sittings this week! i will be on the stand in the a.m. I am not giving up. This was the 1st deer to ever run in his yard! Usually they run down thru the woods and cross over his property and I never have a problem cause I go around his land. I did have a few die down at the creek (on his land) down over the hill away from his house I just grab them and drag them over to my land! I have all the right in the world to be where I am at! As for the deer I have no idea what he did with it? The authorities have my number and they never called so they don't have it or I would of got it! I will call them today and ask them about him moving the deer,but I ask the game warden I said So that deer is gonna go to waste he said yep i assume so, he has to give me permission to get it!

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Just post up his name and address and throw in his phone number. We can start a write in compaign.I'll give him a call myself.

Don't get yourself in trouble with the law. Even simple things can lead to them not renewing pistol permits and such.

Around here the plowman would be quite pleased to pile snow at the end of his driveway. You can keep him trapped for the winter.

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I still see that he is in the wrong for moving a deer that has no tag. Even with road kill, you have to get permission to move it. Its not just some trash that was tossed in the yard. I wonder if a deer would just drop over dead in his yard, would he remove it or call the game commission to come get it? Not starting an arguement here Jim, just trying to think out loud.

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You have to get a permit to possess a deer, I drag road kills into the woods for coyote baits when ever the opportunity arises.
Trespass laws are a civil matter and the P.G.C. has not a say. You must call 911 and have them prosecuted in criminal court.
If called to dispose of said deer they warden can give toa needy family if one is near by or the carcass is taken to a local deer dump.[:@]

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If my land bordered his, I'd build a beautiful pink fence, as high as would be legal in the area, and not made of the best looking material either, totally around his area. And music, aahhh, soothing music, like bagpipes starting at 7:00 if the noise code applies or whenever, would run all day from sunup to sundown. There are tons of ways to legally make his place a living hell. Would I be cutting off my nose to spite my face as with cutting off the deer trails, maybe. But it would be worth a try just to know he's pissed. Like Mel Gibson in Braveheart, "....ARE YOU READY FOR A WAR ?!!!!" ........and a good reply in the best scottish broag "Well, we didn't get drrrressssed up for nuthin !!!;)

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Dude that sucks!!!!! Thatquestion was brought up when I took my archery class several years ago. They are right that the land owner has the right to not let you get your deer, but on the flip side, that guy does not what to be caught touching that deer without a tag. He so much as moves that deerhe can be charged with possession of a deer without a tag. So I would keep an eye on that deer and see what he does with it, then call the game warden and turn him in for poaching. Just a thought. GL man, I feel for you.

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So, you make it a habit to trespass on this guys land to recover deer and yet, when he busts you trying to trespass youcome here and cry about :eek:. And now you are going to do the same thing again :eek:. Suppose the deer dies in his front yard again are you going to come here and cry likebaby then? YOU are the only one doing anything wrong in this/these situations yet you want to make this landowner out to be the bad guy? Talk about setting yourself up for failure :eek:. You even say you will put your friends in this stand. What if they shoot a deer and that deer dies int heguys front yard and he doesn't allow a recovery. Now you set your friends up for failure :eek:. Do you live in the ****ing twilight zone?

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No twilightzone here! if you want to get personal buddy take it via pm. I have no problems discussing it! I have no problem being honest and saying I had some deer fall dead down in the woods on his land! Yep I went and got them. I would of went and got this one had he not seen it and been standing there! And yea I will put freinds on that stand without hesitation it's perfectly legal! Welcome to my form of surburban hunting! Anyways Bruce buddy pound sand, if I want to hear any **** I will go out and listen to it hit the ground when the cows drop it!

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Your the one crying and whining about not getting your deer LOL;). I imagine if someone were to trespass on your hunting land that would be OK since you seem to be fine with trespassing :eek:. Make sure you cry about the next deer you lose because you could not trespass to recover it LOL ;).

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Twild i got your back teamate. I woulda walked right on that land and gave that dude a piece of my mind. And i woulda got my deer. People are on here are full of it saying that they abide by 100% of the law, i know most of you have walked across someones property ege or something iether not knowing it or whatever but get off his back he shot that buck its his buck, a buck of a lifetime at that! Down here in New Jersey we must be a different breed of people i guess because that guy would of not been able to get to work the next day after he has 4 flat tires and whatever else i could think of. Maybe cap[ture a skunk and put it under his house or in his garage, sounds like acrappy day to me. Good luck in ur hutning twildasin keep hunting that piece ur seeing bucks, do what you gotta do brotha

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OKAY OKAY, move your stand further away from his property.... You cant expect everyone to let you onto their prpoerty. However in the situation I dont know what I might have done...

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:(

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funny huh? The guy is doing nothing more than protecting his property yet now it's OK to burn his house down, flatten his tires, threaten him,..................

And folks wonder why this guy has a dim view of hunters :eek:.

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Twis

I just read this one.

You made the right choice. Land owner rights trump deer rights, it is what it is:eek: