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TreednNC 11-06-2008 12:20 PM

Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
So I was doing some research this morning and didn't get great results as I didnt have much time, but got to thinking....

We all know the Rage has a large cutting diameter....but it's mechanical...

What are some of the larger 100gr fixed heads? 1 1/8" Seems to be about the industry standard. I may be missing the obvious...as it does happen more than I care to remember.

txjourneyman 11-06-2008 12:24 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
I have some that Kanga gave me that are a 2 blade COC called Outback XL. They are 1 1/2" and tough as nails. The ones I have are 125gr. I plan to use them for turkeys. I may also resight my bow and try them on deer later in the season.

Northport buckslayr 11-06-2008 12:49 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
I believe the widest fixed blade is the G5 striker magnum, at 1.5 inches. Never used it but i dont see how they could fly very well.

standsleeper 11-06-2008 12:53 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
I am, well was,huntng with Slick Trick Magnum 100grain. They are an 1 1/8 " four blade broadhead. You don't see to many 4 blades that big. That is 2 intersecting wounds 1 1/8 " in width .2 1/4 " total wound lenght. 1/4" bigger than the rage 2 blade.

TLockTerror 11-06-2008 01:01 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
My buddy uses the Wac em XL 100 and they have a cutting diameter of 1.25. They fly great out of his setup until about 40 yrds then start to plane out a little.

Schultzy 11-06-2008 01:03 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
The 3 blade Magnus Snuffers range from 1 4/16 to a little over 1 1/2. Depends on how heavy of a Snuffer you choose.

TreednNC 11-06-2008 01:05 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
100gr.

bigbulls 11-06-2008 01:45 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
The largest diameter I know of is G5 magnum but the most actual cutting ability I know of is the Grizz Tricks at 1.25" four blades for a total of 2.5 inches of cut.

GMMAT 11-06-2008 01:48 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
How can 1-1/4" cut 2-1/2"? Does it lay out upon entry?

What's the largest swath it's gonna cut? 1-1/4". Miss a blood vessel or vital organ by 1/4" and you missed it, period.

YooperMike 11-06-2008 02:00 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
G5 Stiker XL is 1 1/2" and that is pretty impressive sitting on the end of the arrow. A big expandable doesn't look as menacing because they are folded up, but, man, you put 1 1/2" fixed head on there, and that is scary!

BuckRogers 11-06-2008 02:17 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
125gr. Gobbler Guillotine,4 inches of razors baby[8D]. Oh...you were talking about deer. Sorry:D

bawanajim 11-06-2008 02:19 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

How can 1-1/4" cut 2-1/2"? Does it lay out upon entry?

What's the largest swath it's gonna cut? 1-1/4". Miss a blood vessel or vital organ by 1/4" and you missed it, period.
With a two blade rage how far do you have to miss by if the blades are 180 degrees from said blood vessel?:eek:

WesternMdHardwoods 11-06-2008 02:24 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim


ORIGINAL: GMMAT

How can 1-1/4" cut 2-1/2"? Does it lay out upon entry?

What's the largest swath it's gonna cut? 1-1/4". Miss a blood vessel or vital organ by 1/4" and you missed it, period.
With a two blade rage how far do you have to miss by if the blades are 180 degrees from said blood vessel?:eek:

Thats the same thing I was thinking???

TreednNC 11-06-2008 02:24 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

How can 1-1/4" cut 2-1/2"? Does it lay out upon entry?

What's the largest swath it's gonna cut? 1-1/4". Miss a blood vessel or vital organ by 1/4" and you missed it, period.
4 blade....which means 1 1/4" one way (2 blades) and 1 1/4" with the other two blades perpandicular to it. for a total of 2 1/2"

I was just curious. Your Rage threads prompted me to ask. We all know the Rage is the RAGE because of how much it slices, but not much is said about the diameter of fixed blades.

GMMAT 11-06-2008 02:33 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

With a two blade rage how far do you have to miss by if the blades are 180 degrees from said blood vessel?:eek:
By the same amount. But how wide is my swath? How wide is yours?

Like Matt said.....take it to the extreme. Would you rather be sliced with a 12" blade or six 2" in a dia.?

TreednNC 11-06-2008 02:52 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
2blade rage....2"

4blade slick trick that is supposedly got a cutting diameter of 1 1/4....2 1/2"...if it's only 1 1/8" 4 blade, then 2 1/4" swath.....just not all in the same direction as the rage. Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing.


That being said, I dont have a dog in this fight, as I shoot neither.

I like the holes the rage leaves, but in terms of numbers, the 4 blade models cut more.

GMMAT 11-06-2008 02:54 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
Post up some photos of these 4+" holes! I wanna compare!

TEmbry 11-06-2008 03:07 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


With a two blade rage how far do you have to miss by if the blades are 180 degrees from said blood vessel?:eek:
By the same amount. But how wide is my swath? How wide is yours?

Like Matt said.....take it to the extreme. Would you rather be sliced with a 12" blade or six 2" in a dia.?


technically they have to miss from alot farther.

DannyD 11-06-2008 03:44 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

How can 1-1/4" cut 2-1/2"? Does it lay out upon entry?

What's the largest swath it's gonna cut? 1-1/4". Miss a blood vessel or vital organ by 1/4" and you missed it, period.

GMMAT

With 2 axis being 1 1/4 you get that width on 2 planes. On a Rage you get 2 inches on 1 plane. you can have the shaft of an arrow pass within 1/100 of an inch of an artery and miss the artery using a Rage

GMMAT 11-06-2008 04:52 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 


That's hilarious.....lol.

Your line (vessel) WOULD run parallel to the rage blades......:D

I'm out. It's become ludicrous.....and I'm not even touting the rage heads!

Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.


GMMAT

With 2 axis being 1 1/4 you get that width on 2 planes. On a Rage you get 2 inches on 1 plane. you can have the shaft of an arrow pass within 1/100 of an inch of an artery and miss the artery using a Rage
Again......you're having to suppose the worst case scenario. Answer the question posed above.

bawanajim 11-06-2008 05:00 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT



That's hilarious.....lol.

Your line (vessel) WOULD run parallel to the rage blades......:D

I'm out. It's become ludicrous.....and I'm not even touting the rage heads!

Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.


GMMAT

With 2 axis being 1 1/4 you get that width on 2 planes. On a Rage you get 2 inches on 1 plane. you can have the shaft of an arrow pass within 1/100 of an inch of an artery and miss the artery using a Rage
Again......you're having to suppose the worst case scenario. Answer the question posed above.
Jeff,your killing me here the 4 blade head has a total of two and one half inches of cutting area and the rage has tttttwwwooooooooooooo..................

TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:02 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT



That's hilarious.....lol.

Your line (vessel) WOULD run parallel to the rage blades......:D

I'm out. It's become ludicrous.....and I'm not even touting the rage heads!

Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.

I was pointing out that it COULD pass by closer than a fixed 4 blade could. Sorry facts run you away from a debate.

I agree a Rage creates a much bigger swath and devistation...but this doesnt mean it automatically kills anything in its 2" circle, it cuts a straight 2 inch gash...other BHs slice the same amount of tissue, only in a smaller area...4 blades with 1.25" cutting diameter means it is cutting 2.5" of tissue with its blades. Why is having this cut tissue extended out on the end of two blades better than having it perpendicular from the two blades?


Answer this, if you put the arrow in the vital organs, which BH cuts more tissue while going through lungs...a 4 blade 1.25 cutting diameter or a 2 blade 2 inch cutting diameter?

WesternMdHardwoods 11-06-2008 05:12 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim


ORIGINAL: GMMAT



That's hilarious.....lol.

Your line (vessel) WOULD run parallel to the rage blades......:D

I'm out. It's become ludicrous.....and I'm not even touting the rage heads!

Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.


GMMAT

With 2 axis being 1 1/4 you get that width on 2 planes. On a Rage you get 2 inches on 1 plane. you can have the shaft of an arrow pass within 1/100 of an inch of an artery and miss the artery using a Rage
Again......you're having to suppose the worst case scenario. Answer the question posed above.
Jeff,your killing me here the 4 blade head has a total of two and one half inches of cutting area and the rage has tttttwwwooooooooooooo..................

Haha I can see it...you can see it....tembry can see it...a blind man can see it....???

Are the Rage cuts impressive??? Heck Yes
The point of the thread is to see what the widest cutting fixed head is.... and now we are comparing to Rage???? How did it get to this??


Too keep on subject I believe Slick Trick also has a new 1 1/2''or 1 1/4"cutting diameter head out as well!!

GMMAT 11-06-2008 05:16 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.
Has anyone answered this, yet?

Also....if you were gonna have to choose which one to be shot with.....which one would you choose? Refer to the above.;)

TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:19 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.
Has anyone answered this, yet?

Also....if you were gonna have to choose which one to be shot with.....which one would you choose? Refer to the above.;)
define most Jeff. The 4 blade would slice open 2.5" worth of vitals, while the rage would slice open 2" worth, no matter the orientation or where it hit.

If im going to be shot by a BH, it doesnt really matter which one. The 2" gash appears more devistating because it is a linear cut, but in reality they are both cutting the same amount of tissue (actually fixed head more so)



TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:25 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 


Ok this pic shows it better....the black blade is a straight 1.25" gash for both heads....the red highlighted blades are any cutting that goes on on top of 1.25"

Why is the extra .75" on the end of the Rage any better than the extra 1.25" on the 4 blade?? Is it because the blades are turned a different direction, they hurt less?:D[&:]

GMMAT 11-06-2008 05:27 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

define most Jeff.
"more"?


If im going to be shot by a BH, it doesnt really matter which one. The 2" gash appears more devistating because it is a linear cut, but in reality they are both cutting the same amount of tissue (actually fixed head more so)
Again...(this is like pulling teeth).....you have NO IDEA of the orientation of the blades prior to entry. Now make your choice.....and tell me why you chose what you did. You're rolling the dice "more" with which head?

If a man was gonna shoot your dog....which head do you want him to use? A G A I N....you have no idea of what the head orientation is going to be prior to entry. Roll the dice?



TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:30 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


define most Jeff.
"more"?

Oh gotcha.;)

In that case, I view 2.5" of a cut "more" than 2".

Thanks for clarifying.

Why does the other two blades go unnoticed? they cut just as sharply as the initial two.

DannyD 11-06-2008 05:33 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


Answer me this.....WHich head has a better chance.....by virtue of "odds" of hitting the most vital organs? Remember you're guessing on the orientation of the blades before they enter the chest cavity.

2.5 inches if cutting surface has a better chance tha 2.0

Has anyone answered this, yet?

Also....if you were gonna have to choose which one to be shot with.....which one would you choose? Refer to the above.;)
Uhhh The Rage. It's not as tough as the fixed blade and wouldn't make it through my massive chest muscles:D;)


Oh, btw, I don't currently use a Rage or a 4 blade

TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:46 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: TEmbry



Ok this pic shows it better....the black blade is a straight 1.25" gash for both heads....the red highlighted blades are any cutting that goes on on top of 1.25"

Why is the extra .75" on the end of the Rage any better than the extra 1.25" on the 4 blade?? Is it because the blades are turned a different direction, they hurt less?:D[&:]
For anyone who missed it.;)

I hate to do this, but I have to pull out Kindergarten Mathematics to get this point across, bare with me everyone.

2.5" is "more" than 2".

A. True
B. False


Both Heads have their perks, questionable hit farther back, yes there is a CHANCE that vitals could be knicked, just as their is a chance that vitals could be missed all together depending on how the blades are turned. Questionable hit forward though? Id say a Rage is a hinderance more than a help.

I shoot both type heads, so I really cantbe considered biased on either side really.

GMMAT 11-06-2008 05:51 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

I hate to do this, but I have to pull out Kindergarten Mathematics to get this point across, bare with me everyone.
I hate to do this....but when someone tries to ridicule me with kindergarten references and uses "bare" in lieu of "bear".....I have to consider the source.:D

Washington Hunter 11-06-2008 05:54 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
Yet you failed to answer the question...

Give me a break. :eek:

bawanajim 11-06-2008 05:55 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
So is a bare two and a half inches, more or less than a two inch bear.:eek:

TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:58 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I hate to do this, but I have to pull out Kindergarten Mathematics to get this point across, bare with me everyone.
I hate to do this....but when someone tries to ridicule me with kindergarten references and uses "bare" in lieu of "bear".....I have to consider the source.:D
I purposely used bare to avoid any more confusion, bear may lend to visions of grizzlies and such....:) trying to keep a wandering mind focused. im not ridiculing you, just pointing out i learned how to count in kindergarten, is it different in NC?

Pointing out spelling errors in lieu of answering a question is basically admitting you either

a. are wrong and can't admit it;)
b. honestly don't know the answer

TEmbry 11-06-2008 05:59 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

So is a bare two and a half inches, more or less than a two inch bear.:eek:
less because a rage 2" is less bearable than the bare 2.5"

DannyD 11-06-2008 06:00 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

So is a bare two and a half inches, more or less than a two inch bear.:eek:

Then again if the Rage has a "too" inch blade we may have to look at this whole thing differently

bawanajim 11-06-2008 06:09 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

ORIGINAL: DannyD


ORIGINAL: bawanajim

So is a bare two and a half inches, more or less than a two inch bear.:eek:

Then again if the Rage has a "too" inch blade we may have to look at this whole thing differently
But of course if you take a to and a half inch for blade against a too inch rage bear in mind the the answer lies in weather your whole size is measured in absolutes orr nonfictional data.;)

TreednNC 11-06-2008 06:15 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 
OK SO ARE THE G5's THE WIDEST THEN???

dang, talking about rage and bowtecs are like talking about somebody's dead grandmother then spitting on her grave after you rob it.

The point to the arguement earlier was 2 1.125" blades equal 2.5" of cutting where as Rage is 2"....period...one cuts more than the other...it's not a question of which direction or something like that or how much you miss an arterty.


Dang. Like asking a beauty shop full of women which roid cream is the best.:)

GMMAT 11-06-2008 06:19 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

You can't argue that a 3 blade with a smaller cutting diameter has more cutting surface because it's punching a hole in a more concentrated area.........a 2" cut single slice wound channel doesn't benefit from this.

I shoot mechanical heads personally for one reason..........OVERKILL. I can get wider lateral wound channels than I can get with fixed heads. I want to damage as much stuff as I can over as wide of an area. Penertation means very little to me because there really isn't a head made that I am going to have a problem with driving through deer sized game consistently and reliably.


Conversely I cringe when I hear guys shooting a head of a similar small cutting diameter but possess a bow set up that is providing them with ample energy to consistently use larger cutting diameter fixed or mechanical heads.

Use excess energy to your advantage.........the energy expended jamming a small fixed head through and into the dirt 10" can be better used by shooting something larger and more lethal through and only 6" into the dirt.

Understand your bow and what it can do to it's fullest, think about why things should or shouldn't work and make smart choices.
I think these were all references to the rage head.....made not by me....but some board "hack" named Matt / PA.

You can argue his points.....as I share his views. THIS....form womeone who IS going to be trying a different head very shortly.


weather
??

Et tu, Jimbo?:D

MN/Kyle 11-06-2008 06:22 PM

RE: Widest fixed blade broad head?
 

Use excess energy to your advantage.........the energy expended jamming a small fixed head through and into the dirt 10" can be better used by shooting something larger and more lethal through and only 6" into the dirt.
You admit you aren't getting a pass through?


Et tu, Jimbo?:D
Shakespeare[:'(]


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