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Lets put it this way then GMMAT

Say a 4 blade has a 2" cutting diameter just the same as a 2 blade Rage...are they then equals in devastation because the cutting diameter....CD is a imaginary number representative of a circle you draw around a head, a deer doesnt feel that, a deer feels the amount of tissue cut by blades.


I dont need to argue anyone's points, Im waiting for you to answer my question you avoided...if you feel that is too difficult, explain my second diagram.:)

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I agree with Matt. That's my answer.

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Rebember this deer?



Ok when I shot this deer, The blades were in my favor, obviously. What if, It had turned, horizontal? What if I used a fixed blade? Im guessing flesh wound.

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the quote is kind of proving my point. A smaller cutting diameter but more cutting surface fix head DOES cut more, and a single slice doesnt benefit from this...

I asked a true false question and the final answer is "I agree with Matt". This is unbareable.[8D];)

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Don't you have a fraternity pin ceremony....or a panty raid or something to go on?

Youre kinda boring me.;) (That is TRUE)

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If you do, bring me, Trev.

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ah yes, when we dont have an answer (because we are obviously wrong)...resort to the age trump card. Touche, you were born before me...

Classy.:)

2" is Bigger and Badder than 2.5"...because im older. Atleast logic is being applied.

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Trevor....I'm not playing the age card on you. If you can't discern the answer from what I've given you.....them I'm giving you too much credit. Really....it isn't that hard. I (like Matt) disagree that the smaller diameter fixed head .....even though it has perpendicular blades......is optimal. It has a 1.25" cutting diameter.....no matter which way you slice it (pun, intended;)). The rage's cutting "diameter" (albeit linear) is 2".

What are you seeking an answer to that I haven't given you numerous times?

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Now the term is "optimal " I guess "more" went to the way side when that term was shown to be false.[:-]

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I actually don't care how YOU look at it. If a man said he was gonna throw two knives at me......one was a four blade but was only 1.25" in Dia. and the other was one single blade that was 2".......

Please mister.....throw the smaller one. Which one would you choose? WHich one would that be (the smaller one)?

Never mind. I don't care.;)

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GMMAT

So it's all about diameter???

Picture a 2 inch diameter 2 blade Rage
Now what if you had a 2 inch diameter broadhead that has 4 blades, each with a 2 inch diameter. Which one, as you put it, has a better chance or odds of hitting the most vital organs?

If it's only about diameter then obviously both would be the same. But looking at this diagram....I don't think so

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sure you do, thats why youve asked 4 times.

I think it is better to ask, if a man was to throw TWO 1.25" knives or ONE 2" knife...which would you choose....ummm...ill take the single knife that doesnt cut as much.

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BTW, how would you like to have to try to tune a bow to that broadhead?

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The Vortex 125 gr. 2 blade leaves a 1.5 inch cutting diameter and I've shot deer that ran 12 yards and died on sight with these heads.

I bought my first Vortex in 1993 and I'll lay them against my Rage or NAP spitfires any day. They're bad....

Who cares about the o-ring...if you place it in the right spot it leaves a Gargatuent hole...

Its all about placement....a flint head leaves a deer dead within 30 yards if you put it in the lungs our heart.

Shot Placement

placement

placement

placement!!!!

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Are you that stupid, Trev?

WHy don't you use realistic numbers? 4 blades of 2" ea. vs. one blade of 8". Whiich one you want slung at you with enough force to go all the way through you?

You're making MY argument!:D Thanks!

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wtf? lol where did these numbers come from.

a 4 blade 1.25" ST has two 1.25" blades....a rage has 1 2" blade Cutting ability......the numbers are NOT equal, the 4 blade cuts more. it isnt a 4 blade 1" diameter.....then it would be wash.

Using the numbers from the actual BHs being used, the options are 2 1.25" blades passing through you (each making a separate cut), or 1 2" blade....Ill take the 2" please.

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In the number of blades argument there will become a point of diminished returns. You would not benefit by adding more blades than 4 because you have already cut on both the X and Y axis and extra blades will only slice those arteries and veins into smaller pieces. This would not aid in creating greater blood loss or greater organ damage. The increase in friction and decrease in penetration would far outweigh any minute benefit of the added cutting ability of more than 4 blades.

Look at the drawing below. Trying to cut the very small ammount of tissue outside the diamond and inside the circle (green area) would be pointless.




The fact is, givena 4blade headis cutting on both theX andY axis andthe two blade headis cutting on only theX ORY axis.........a 2 blade 2" diametercutand a 4 blade 1" diameter cut will have exactly the same chance of cutting equal ammounts of vital organs and veins.

A 4 blade 1.25" cut will have exactly 20% more chance of cuttingvital organs than a 2 blade 2" diameter broadhead.

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This is the absurd .....and it proves my point.

Would you rather be shot with this head or cut with a blade that is 8" in length? Which will do more damage? Each wound will go all the way through you.

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paradigm

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I have several different BHs. some fixed some mechs including Rage. That is really totally moot as I only posted to let ya'll know that I have been highly entertained this AM!

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I was reading this post today and looking to see if someone actually answered GMMAT's question! I was going to answer it myself and get to the end of the post and see BigBulls post. No need to answer anymore!

BigBulls, you win the prize!!! Higher probability is the correct answer!

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Ok you get a 2.5" cut and a 2" cut....which takes more stitches to sew up?

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Exactly!

I dont care if you shoot Rage, Muzzy, Joe-Bob's custom heavy duty sheet metal cut outs with a screw welded to it or what. 2.5" of cut is better than 2" of cut in terms of likely ness to hit a vital organ, as mentioned above. The point I was EVENTUALLY trying to get at is how much KE does it take to drive a 4 blade fixed head cutting 2.5" all the way through versus an a comparable expandable such as the Rage, with 2" of cutting surface

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Well that opens up a whole new can of worms!

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Kinetic energy is a little different issue.

Given a 4 blade fixed head (2.5" of cut) vs. a 2 blade fixed head (2.5" of cut) with exactly the same blade angle from the ferrule and exactly the same sharpness of the blade, I believe the math will show that increased diameter of the 2 blade and the increased friction of these blades because they are further away from the center of flight, the 2 blade will require slightly (very slightly) more kinetic energy.

This problem in reality is much more complex. You have expandable heads, different sharpness, different blade angles, different blade thickness, etc. In general, however, it will take more KE for the 2 blade than the 4 blade. And obviously, there is also considerable loss of KEon impactin the case of an expandable to consider. The 4 blade fixed head willlose KE at a more even rateon impact.

I have not done the math, these are just my thoughts based upon my training!