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Simple Question for those who DONT wear harnesses.
Not trying to ruffle feathers, or start a raging debate....just wondering.
Would you want your friends/family to have to go through this? http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=769266 (mods, read the link before removing it) |
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Im going to copy and paste this guys posts so you guys can get the message over on this site as well.
This past Saturday my best friend of 38 yrs went bowhunting for his second time. I talked him in to the sport and he went and bought all new gear this year. He bought a climber and practiced with it a bunch in his yard. I helped him find a place to hunt by his house and he took the tests and got his license. I got a call this past Saturday from his girlfriend way past dark asking me to go check on him as he wasnt home or answering his phone. I was the only one who knew where he was hunting and took the 40 min. drive calling over and over the whole drive. I got to the parking area and found him dead in his truck. He fell out of the tree,broke his neck and somehow made it to his truck before passing. No safety harness........................................... ........... The police come and I had to use my climber to go up and bring down his equipment. We had him cremated this week and we too his ashes to a wonderful place and me and her let them fly in the wind.............. I love ya brother... wish it ended a little better. I will say it again.... NO SAFETY HARNESS KILLED A WONDERFUL MAN! BowhunterDave  [/align] |
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Thanks everybody... I thought if I shared this on here I might save a life or two.
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Going hunting in the morning with his bow.... His girl and his mother had me pick up his gear the other night and I have done a little tweaking and its hitting spots out to 60. I will use his bow the rest of this season and as long as it takes to get him his first few deer. I know it sounds weird but I am taking him hunting everyday anyway.
I lost it when I found him for a few but it was weird,I went kinda cold and haven't really cried since. Usually I am a baby and cry a little when nobody's looking,but I am still mad at him for not using a harness. I am mad that a stupid bit of ego took his life and crushed everyone around him. I am mad that I had to be the one who had to find him dead. Its not dying that sucks,its the people that you leave behind that you hurt. Hard lesson learned.. __________________ [/align] |
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Originally Posted by Bowhunter n MD  [/align]That sucks . ... But I guess you forgot to teach him the most important party of hunting "Saftey"[/align]Its the number one concern for me and I preachd it to him constantly. He was 6ft1inch and was about 235 lbs. He was a moose with a tough attitude. "I`ll be fine,this thing is too hard to shoot with it on" was the famous words I keep hearing. |
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summit open shot. same one i use. Mini platform and no rails..A must for harnesses with this stand. The stand and his gear was all in perfect cond. still up the tree. The cops took the stand after I got it down and then released the bow and backpack to family.
His cell was in the backpack  |
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Yeah but that could never happen to me.. If your a bowhunter sooner or later your gonna fall and there are not many happy endings!!
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Feeling the love that you all are sharing with me......... Thanks so much. I was just out putting a yellow ribbon around the tree he fell from. I am having a plaque made this week to put on the tree. I am feeling a bit down at the moment,but y`all sure help to bring somone back up!
Not sure if y`all caught what I said about the cell phone. It is just as important to keep your communication device on your body at all times as it is to wear your safety harnesses. Even if he had fallen with the phone,he could have been saved. He made it over 300 yards to his truck somhow before dying. The phone was in his backpack up the tree. [/align] |
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Thanks everybody... Sleep was minimal last night and today is back to work. You have all been great in this time of tragedy and I just wanna say thanks.... Having support in this way keeps me from sitting here alone, as I live alone and this is my world on here. Gonna be hard this morning as I always called him between 7-8 to say good morning and joke around with a few text`s. Been weird not hearing my phone ring. And was even weirder lowering my cell phone plan as I do not need the amount of minutes i used to use.
Dont take life for granted,here one second,gone the next. Thanks for all pm`s and personal emails, everybody has been wonderful to me. I am beaten but still standing strait[/align] |
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To all that have responded and posted links else where....
When I told his mother of the rsponses and emails and PM`s and links and how the word of this has spread all over the world in just a few days,she just about fainted. She got dizzy and had to sit down and cry for an hour or more. I explained how many people ran out and bought harnesses or dug theirs out of storage. I explained how this loss is saving lives already today,and will continue to do so as long as people let others read about our loss. This woman has requested that she remain anonymous and for people not to bother offering things as she has enough. She just wants this story to be read to adults and children alike and let her loss be your gain. We appreciate the kindness and love that has been sent our way and please dont stop  This thread is literally on forums and websites now worldwide..... The internet is amazing at times.... Keep passing the word along to everyone you know. Print this and post it at your clubs and let every hunter know what reality is. Heres somthing I never told y`all..... I didnt want to beleive he was dead so I carried him toward the road till the medics found us. Only made it a 100 or so yards but I was freakin out and didnt know what to do. I was afraid they would`nt see my lights and be able to find us so I had him on my back with his arms over my shoulders and drug him sorta till I seen the headlights coming. They said he had been dead for over an hour at that point so my efforts were useless but I tried. Who wants to beleive your friend is dead. I am having problems sleeping,keep waking up just freakin  Thanks for letting me share. [/align] |
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Wow, that gave me chills just reading it. Im going to get harnesses for the two stands i didnt have them for.
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TEmbry.....my heart goes out to you brother and I am very sorry for your loss. I know it's hard to lose someone close to you but regardless of how you feel, it just isn't your fault.
It was his time to go. God has a plan for all of us. Best thing you can do is honor him for being a best friend for 38 years and I think hunting with is bow is very honorable. |
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I'd like to read any reports on this. What paper was it listed in?
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Nodog - I hope I am misreading your implication.
Go read the thread. Steve |
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man thats terrible, it sent chills down my spine just thinking about what happened
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Ill answer, I belive that there is many more things that will happen post fall with a harnes that will have a greater effect then not wearing 1.
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 Ill answer, I belive that there is many more things that will happen post fall with a harnes that will have a greater effect then not wearing 1. :eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Rory/MO ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 Ill answer, I belive that there is many more things that will happen post fall with a harnes that will have a greater effect then not wearing 1. :eek: 3. Tree stand fails and your stuck in the tree and you die of dehydration. |
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Of course it's sad, and my heart goes out to his family and friendsbut IMHO this post does little, and should be removed.
What about the scores of hunters who die every year because they are out of shape and hit the hills and die of heart attacks? Should we post about proper physical fitness? Or to use a broadhead wrench to save thousands of huntersfrom stitches? Those who will, do! those that don't, don't. It's a Law to wear safety belts in a car, wanna run the statistics on those poor people who suffer fatal collisions without a belt on? Sad, Yes, but to me it doesn't belong here at least in this graphic detail, thats not why we come here! |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 ORIGINAL: Rory/MO ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 Ill answer, I belive that there is many more things that will happen post fall with a harnes that will have a greater effect then not wearing 1. :eek: 3. Tree stand fails and your stuck in the tree and you die of dehydration. |
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1. You fall and your harness slams you into your screw in steps and you get stabbed and left to dangle in the tree, 3. Tree stand fails and your stuck in the tree and you die of dehydration. 1 - More likely to happen falling without a harness. 3 - Part of wearing one is you understand what to do in case of a fall. Carry knife to cut yourself loose (many harnesses come with a cutter) once you are stable. Keep cell phone or radio ON YOUR PERSON so you can call for help AND Let someone know exactly where you are hunting, the latest time you will be returning, and what to do if you don't. Yes - there are things that can happen while wearing a harness - but it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a case for it to be safer without one then wearing it. Are you comfortable having someone wipe your butt when you are paralyzed and cannot do it yourself?;) Steve |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 ORIGINAL: Rory/MO ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 Ill answer, I belive that there is many more things that will happen post fall with a harnes that will have a greater effect then not wearing 1. :eek: 3. Tree stand fails and your stuck in the tree and you die of dehydration. |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Of course it's sad, and my heart goes out to his family and friendsbut IMHO this post does little, and should be removed. What about the scores of hunters who die every year because they are out of shape and hit the hills and die of heart attacks? Should we post about proper physical fitness? Or to use a broadhead wrench to save thousands of huntersfrom stitches? Those who will, do! those that don't, don't. It's a Law to wear safety belts in a car, wanna run the statistics on those poor people who suffer fatal collisions without a belt on? Sad, Yes, but to me it doesn't belong here at least in this graphic detail, thats not why we come here! I've honestly never in my life heard of a hunter dieing from a heart attack by hiking while out of shape, but if there are scores of them, then YES, post it up....as much as possible. Why turn our backs to preventable accidents in our community instead of helping to try and prevent them? Death is such a waste of life, and why not try and prevent it when possible? We can marvel at a rage bh kill where a deer is chopped in half with insides hanging out, but a story of a hunter dieing is too graphic? This guy is just sharing his experience of how traumatic having a friend die from a fall truly is. Seatbelts, well oranges and apples, this isnt a car/driving forums. Its not to try and force everyone into harnesses....just an eye opener as to what damages are done by your death...not to yourself, but to others. Might help convince a few who are on the fence about harnesses, or only where one half of the time. Nodog, he hasn't linked to the real story because he wants his friend to remain annonymous at the wishes of the guys mother. I dont even personally know the man, just spreading his story to help get the word out as he wished. |
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There is no way you can justify not wearing a harness.
I will leave it at that, as I do not want to disgrace the seriousness or sadness of this thread. My heart goes out to the victim's family and friends. |
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Of course it's sad, and my heart goes out to his family and friendsbut IMHO this post does little, and should be removed. What about the scores of hunters who die every year because they are out of shape and hit the hills and die of heart attacks? Should we post about proper physical fitness? Or to use a broadhead wrench to save thousands of huntersfrom stitches? Those who will, do! those that don't, don't. It's a Law to wear safety belts in a car, wanna run the statistics on those poor people who suffer fatal collisions without a belt on? Sad, Yes, but to me it doesn't belong here at least in this graphic detail, thats not why we come here! I've honestly never in my life heard of a hunter dieing from a heart attack by hiking while out of shape, but if there are scores of them, then YES, post it up....as much as possible. Why turn our backs to preventable accidents in our community instead of helping to try and prevent them? Death is such a waste of life, and why not try and prevent it when possible? We can marvel at a rage bh kill where a deer is chopped in half with insides hanging out, but a story of a hunter dieing is too graphic? This guy is just sharing his experience of how traumatic having a friend die from a fall truly is. Seatbelts, well oranges and apples, this isnt a car/driving forums. Its not to try and force everyone into harnesses....just an eye opener as to what damages are done by your death...not to yourself, but to others. Might help convince a few who are on the fence about harnesses, or only where one half of the time. Nodog, he hasn't linked to the real story because he wants his friend to remain annonymous at the wishes of the guys mother. I dont even personally know the man, just spreading his story to help get the word out as he wished. |
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Bowtech 360, if your gonna try to back up your position, at least do so in an educated manner. Those are two pretty pathetic examplesofdangers that outweigh the benefits.It is obviousyour fairly young, and I never cared for advice from much of anyonewhen I was younger (still don't sometimes), butwake up man. You get one chance, andspending that chance in a wheel chair or as someone's lost friend isn't exactly the best way to make use of it.
The benefits of asafety harness far outweighany of the excuses I have heard so far. Don't wear it if your so inclined, but..... You know the rest. |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Of course it's sad, and my heart goes out to his family and friendsbut IMHO this post does little, and should be removed. What about the scores of hunters who die every year because they are out of shape and hit the hills and die of heart attacks? Should we post about proper physical fitness? Or to use a broadhead wrench to save thousands of huntersfrom stitches? Those who will, do! those that don't, don't. It's a Law to wear safety belts in a car, wanna run the statistics on those poor people who suffer fatal collisions without a belt on? Sad, Yes, but to me it doesn't belong here at least in this graphic detail, thats not why we come here! Yes its an animal and a person being compared, but thats the point. BTW i do see what your saying and im not trying to bash on your statement to make an argumentbut i believe his thread has more of a message than just do it, or die. Derek |
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Its not to try and force everyone into harnesses....just an eye opener as to what damages are done by your death...not to yourself, but to others. Might help convince a few who are on the fence about harnesses, or only where one half of the time. Good thread Trevor!! |
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I've been meaning to buy one as well, I guess I'll have to spit out the 100$ a little sooner than I thought.
BTW, to the guy who said you would hang there until you dehyrdated, ummmmm no. You're body's internal organs start to die after (15 minutes I believe) of hanging in your harness. And this is simply because you're cutting off nearly all blood circulation to your legs. So you can hang there for a while but after not long at all you're body will begin to shut down and before you know it you will slip into a coma and die. No dehydration to it. BTW, dehydration...? Seriously..? How long did you plan on hanging there... 3 days..? 4 days...? A week..?:eek: |
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I just looked this up and it is referred to as "suspension trauma" and while some of my original post is not SPOT on, it is fairly accurate. Here is a link to a good read for all hunters who wear safety vests to realize you can't just hang there forever.
http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500/d000568/d000568.html |
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I broke down and bought the hunter safety system, at a little over $100 it wasn't easy for me, but it's a lot cheaper than medical bills.
They say you can die from a fall even if you are wearing a harness, so here's my question, are there any reports of any huntersthat actually died from suspension trauma (orthostatic intolerance) with a full body harness? I've heard hundreds of stories of people that passed by falling from a tree stand, but none that involved properly wearing a full body safety harness. If you're properly wearing a modern full body harness that rated for your weight and and in good condition, I think that seriously reduces your risk of being dead from a fall. Like they say, "Don't let your next hunt be your last". |
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After 2 decades of not wearing a harness, and a couple of near misses, I broke down and bought the HSS. I've made a commitment to use it starting at the base of the tree, and it only takes maybe one extra minute of climbing for you to reach your hunting height. Big reason for me doing it was due to these threads, and listening to you guys. ANY reason one can give as to why NOT to wear one just doesn't hold water. If you can't afford the vest type, use the cheapo that comes with the stand. It takes a few minutes to get on, but it can save your butt. The HSS makes draging a deer a breeze also. Another benefit!
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy Its not to try and force everyone into harnesses....just an eye opener as to what damages are done by your death...not to yourself, but to others. Might help convince a few who are on the fence about harnesses, or only where one half of the time. Good thread Trevor!!  And same to the others as well! Steve |
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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy Nodog - I hope I am misreading your implication. Go read the thread. Steve I hope I'm misreading yours. Mine have always been clear, there are way too many people in trees. People should stop talking people into doing it. Learning to hunt in a tree is not good. Punch this into google and tell me how wearing one isprotection from carelessness. "man dies from fall wearing a harness" Not trying to ruffle feathers, or start a raging debate....just wondering. |
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ORIGINAL: nodog I asked a simple question for more info. Ya got any? Post it and keep with the thread starters request, or don't and let the question and this post die. ORIGINAL: TEmbry Nodog, he hasn't linked to the real story because he wants his friend to remain annonymous at the wishes of the guys mother. She is worried of getting calls and visitors constantly about the story.I dont even personally know the man, just spreading his story to help get the word out as he wished. |
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Nodog - Trevor put the link to the thread in his 1st post here. Describ's the guy finding his friend dead of a broken neck and what he and the family are going thru.
Heart wrenching read and hopefully a wake up for some - as it appears to be. I apologize if I misread your intent in your question. Steve |
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I have another simple question for those who don't wear a safety harness:
If a fall from the top of the Sear's Tower can kill you just as a fall from 20 feet up can kill you, why would you wear a safety harness when on the side of the building but not on the side of the tree? Bonus question: Are you deader with one and not the other? |
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