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OHbowhntr 09-10-2008 09:25 AM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: cooter144

FYI...the presence of corn fields can actually cause hunting to become more difficult than if it wasn't there due to the fact that many of the deer will use them as shelter to hide from hunters. It has caused me headaches many times when our neighbor grows corn along the borders of our land.

Comparing a field of standing corn, which can be hundreds of acres in size, to a pile of food which can be placed anywhere that the hunter wishes (beneath a perfectly placed stand in the woods?) is pretty stupid IMO
Most of the people who compare the 2 Cooter have never hunted a corn field but seem to know everything about it. Corn fields suck if you ask me!! There a place where bucks will sit in when the rut comes around because the doe's are feeding and bedding in there. If we still have corn standing when gun season rolls around the number of kills is way down. Corn Is more of a protector then a feed plot by a long shot!!!!!
+1, long before this thread, I posted up in the Team 8 thread that I had high hopes because we've got beans planted rather than corn at one of my favorite spots. Adding that the CRP was just recently cut down, it will keep the deer in the woods and increase my opportunity significantly!!!!

GR8atta2d 09-10-2008 07:33 PM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT
I take a chance every time I get on an airplane that I will die in a plane crash. But since it's never happened to me.....I don't give it much thought when I fly.

You are also more likely to die from an unrestrained fall from a treestand than killed in an airplane crash.

If you're still singing that song about a cornfield and a baitpile being the same thing .. your still nuts! I don't care how hard you try and twist the moon into the sun to fit your reasoning you missed it bad on this one. The more you dig the more that the sides are falling in on you!

GMMAT 09-10-2008 08:00 PM

RE: Just Have To Say
 
blah, blah, blah, Bob. "Rhetoric" doth not = "fact". Your rhetoric is popular in most deer hunting circles.....but the FACT remains.....Corn and soy beans are not indigenous plants where you see them planted in fields. That makes them "artificial" to that area. Shelled corn doesn't grow out of the ground into a pile....so that makes it artificial, too.

Your artificial corn field might be bigger than the artiicial bait pile......but they're both what? YES!! Artificial!

Leave the cover aspect out of it. Leave the "patterning" thing out of it. Let's get down to basics. They are both an artificially introduced food source.

GR8atta2d 09-11-2008 04:37 PM

RE: Just Have To Say
 
Jeff, without these readily available food sources how many deer would you think there would be today? Are there more deer now or in the days of Daniel Boone? Even with habitat diminishing by the hour the deer herd countinues to grow.

An artificial food source (Bait)is something placed by someone for the benefit of attracting something else.

Corn, soy, apple orchards..whatever, were not put there to attract anything. they are a lively hood for someone. If you grow something to not harvest it and only attract game then yes, I'll buy it as artificial. A Food Plot for example.


I still have nothing against the practice of baiting if legal or food plots or what have you..but your logic and the "GMMAT spin" are what I take exception too!

That Oak tree your hunting under did someone plant it or did the acorn fall and naturally sprout?? I mean come on..:eek:

Schultzy 09-11-2008 05:06 PM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

Jeff, without these readily available food sources how many deer would you think there would be today? Are there more deer now or in the days of Daniel Boone? Even with habitat diminishing by the hour the deer herd countinues to grow.

An artificial food source (Bait) is something placed by someone for the benefit of attracting something else.

Corn, soy, apple orchards..whatever, were not put there to attract anything. they are a lively hood for someone. If you grow something to not harvest it and only attract game then yes, I'll buy it as artificial. A Food Plot for example.


I still have nothing against the practice of baiting if legal or food plots or what have you..but your logic and the "GMMAT spin" are what I take exception too!

That Oak tree your hunting under did someone plant it or did the acorn fall and naturally sprout?? I mean come on..
Amen Bob!!!!!!!!! Well said.

Cougar Mag 09-11-2008 05:58 PM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

The only ag around my hunting grounds are hay fields for the cattle. Not quite the draw for deer that corn fields are.
I am in the corn belt with few cattle being raised in my area anymore but I"ll gladly take clover or alfalfa anytime over a corn field for drawing deer in;).



GMMAT 09-12-2008 06:19 AM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

An artificial food source (Bait)is something placed by someone for the benefit of attracting something else.
That's a fair definition, Bob....and we're just hung up on "intent", now. No....the FARMER didn't plant it to attract "somthing else".....but why is the hunter hunting it?;)

Schultzy 09-12-2008 07:42 AM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


An artificial food source (Bait)is something placed by someone for the benefit of attracting something else.
That's a fair definition, Bob....and we're just hung up on "intent", now. No....the FARMER didn't plant it to attract "somthing else".....but why is the hunter hunting it?;)
For the same reasons you hunt a spot, there might be a trail there, tracks. This is getting ridiculous Jeff!!

GMMAT 09-12-2008 07:45 AM

RE: Just Have To Say
 
Schultzy....when someone disagrees with you....it's often FAR from "ridiculous". If ag fields couldn't be hunted.....I'd say they weren't technically "bait". GR8's already conceded that food plots "are".

So the "intent" for why the hunter is hunting the ARTIFICIAL stimulus is the key, right? WHY are you hunting near the ag fields?

NY Bowhunter 09-12-2008 07:56 AM

RE: Just Have To Say
 

An artificial food source (Bait)is something placed by someone for the benefit of attracting something else.

Corn, soy, apple orchards..whatever, were not put there to attract anything. they are a lively hood for someone. If you grow something to not harvest it and only attract game then yes, I'll buy it as artificial. A Food Plot for example.
That's my take on it. I'm sure the farmer isn't planting his corn so I could have success hunting. In fact I've never got a phone call telling me he finished planting the corn for me the deer should be coming once it's up. And I've never called him to thank him for baiting for me. It's intended purpose is NOT to attract deer. Does it? Sure. A pile of corn in a specific place has one intention. To attract deer to that specific spot. I view a farmers corn field as taking advantage of what the land gives me. Same as acorns, water sources, apples, etc... If he decided not to plant the following year and it grew up into overgrown crud, I'm still hunting that land. I'll change my gameplan and figure out where the critters are.


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