Just Have To Say
09-09-2008 | 02:28 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
Or, the deer may start to equate bait piles to danger and skirt around them. BIG BUCKS often times don't hit bait piles, or do so well after dark, from what I understand and I know a few people who bait here in OH, but the rest of us HUNT!!!! 
I say that with some sarcasm, but seriously, if all you had to do is ride your quad by your feeder a couple times a week and throw a 50# bag of corn in it, then when season comes climb into a stand and shoot your deer of choice, doesn't that take some of the "HUNT" out of it.
I don't mean this in a bad way.....but I'm guessing "other" hunters don't give a flip about what YOU (or I) consider "hunting" or not. Nor should they.
09-09-2008 | 02:33 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr
Or, the deer may start to equate bait piles to danger and skirt around them. BIG BUCKS often times don't hit bait piles, or do so well after dark, from what I understand and I know a few people who bait here in OH, but the rest of us HUNT!!!! I say that with some sarcasm, but seriously, if all you had to do is ride your quad by your feeder a couple times a week and throw a 50# bag of corn in it, then when season comes climb into a stand and shoot your deer of choice, doesn't that take some of the "HUNT" out of it. I just don't see the "hunt" side to it. I know technically it's "hunting," but for me, I scout out a woods, pick a couple "probable" spots, and come back with a climber on my back, or I stalk through a woods, bow in hand, and try to sneak in on a travel corridor, lean against a tree, and stick one. I find ground hunting, on the move much more EXCITING than stand hunting, however, I find the success rates tend to not be nearly as good also, considering GOOD STAND PLACEMENT.
Jeff,
The number of people HERE that I know that bait, I can count on one hand. Most of the guys I know hunt travel corridors, oak flats, orchards, funnels, etc., myself included.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Welcome to NC Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!
LOl....seriously....I know ONE other hunter who doesn't bait deer on the properties they hunt. EVERY OTHER hunter I know who hunts NC baits. I kid you not.
So if a situation came about where EVERYONE was baiting, food is plentiful, deer don’t have to move much or compete, works in reverse for the hunter.
LOl....seriously....I know ONE other hunter who doesn't bait deer on the properties they hunt. EVERY OTHER hunter I know who hunts NC baits. I kid you not.
I say that with some sarcasm, but seriously, if all you had to do is ride your quad by your feeder a couple times a week and throw a 50# bag of corn in it, then when season comes climb into a stand and shoot your deer of choice, doesn't that take some of the "HUNT" out of it. I just don't see the "hunt" side to it. I know technically it's "hunting," but for me, I scout out a woods, pick a couple "probable" spots, and come back with a climber on my back, or I stalk through a woods, bow in hand, and try to sneak in on a travel corridor, lean against a tree, and stick one. I find ground hunting, on the move much more EXCITING than stand hunting, however, I find the success rates tend to not be nearly as good also, considering GOOD STAND PLACEMENT. Jeff,
The number of people HERE that I know that bait, I can count on one hand. Most of the guys I know hunt travel corridors, oak flats, orchards, funnels, etc., myself included.
However I won't condemn a man for whatever legal means he employs.
09-09-2008 | 02:40 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
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disease isn't a problem here in Tx. I haven't heard of a single case of CWD or blue tounge. And if you had read all of my posts you would know I don't deer hunt over feeders. I concentrate on oak flats. I do supplemental feeding and I hog hunt over feeders. Because I don't have the luxury of ag crops I do what I can to keep deer on the property I hunt. Feeders are legal in Tx. I will continue to use them and you can continue to condemn me for it. If disease shows up I'll stop but until such a time I won't sweat it. HMMMMMmmmmm.......... I wonder if ya'lls deer are just to weak to stay healthy?
disease isn't a problem here in Tx. I haven't heard of a single case of CWD or blue tounge. And if you had read all of my posts you would know I don't deer hunt over feeders. I concentrate on oak flats. I do supplemental feeding and I hog hunt over feeders. Because I don't have the luxury of ag crops I do what I can to keep deer on the property I hunt. Feeders are legal in Tx. I will continue to use them and you can continue to condemn me for it. If disease shows up I'll stop but until such a time I won't sweat it. HMMMMMmmmmm.......... I wonder if ya'lls deer are just to weak to stay healthy?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "You're a lousy excuse for a hunter because you bait," I have seen some of TX, and there are places down there where I think I'd bait just to get the deer out of the brush, its a whole different type of terrain and vegetation, and I know and understand that. What I AM saying is that there is a HUGE difference between a feeder/bait pile and a corn field. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to bananas, and leaving oranges out of the equation completely. I think some of the issue with the "diseased" animals was known to come from "Deer farms," with the CWD, but the EHD is a little protazoan that thrives in stagnant water, and with our drought year last year, it reared its ugly head, quite severely in many areas. It's not contagious, from deer to deer, but found in the drinking water.
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
Doug those reasons are exactly why I don't hunt deer over the feeders. I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment or satisfaction that I figured them out. I don't have a lot of bow kills under my belt but I know I do like to make things a bit more challenging. My most exciting hunt so far was a doe killed under an oak tree. I was sitting on the ground with acorns falling all around me. I thought it might be a good place to try.
However I won't condemn a man for whatever legal means he employs.
Doug those reasons are exactly why I don't hunt deer over the feeders. I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment or satisfaction that I figured them out. I don't have a lot of bow kills under my belt but I know I do like to make things a bit more challenging. My most exciting hunt so far was a doe killed under an oak tree. I was sitting on the ground with acorns falling all around me. I thought it might be a good place to try.
However I won't condemn a man for whatever legal means he employs.
09-09-2008 | 02:43 PM
#35
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr
And I understand THIS, but in Wisconsin, it IS!!! I'm not condemning baiting completely, though I WON'T do it, I understand, that there are places, TX, NC, SC, etc, that baiting/feeders are more or less the "norm." If I'd grown up learning to shoot deer under a feeder, I'd probably have a different opinion, likewise, if I grown up Jewish, I probably wouldn't be a Lutheran. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "You're a lousy excuse for a hunter because you bait," I have seen some of TX, and there are places down there where I think I'd bait just to get the deer out of the brush, its a whole different type of terrain and vegetation, and I know and understand that. What I AM saying is that there is a HUGE difference between a feeder/bait pile and a corn field. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to bananas, and leaving oranges out of the equation completely.
I think some of the issue with the "diseased" animals was known to come from "Deer farms," with the CWD, but the EHD is a little protazoan that thrives in stagnant water, and with our drought year last year, it reared its ugly head, quite severely in many areas. It's not contagious, from deer to deer, but found in the drinking water.
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
disease isn't a problem here in Tx. I haven't heard of a single case of CWD or blue tounge. And if you had read all of my posts you would know I don't deer hunt over feeders. I concentrate on oak flats. I do supplemental feeding and I hog hunt over feeders. Because I don't have the luxury of ag crops I do what I can to keep deer on the property I hunt. Feeders are legal in Tx. I will continue to use them and you can continue to condemn me for it. If disease shows up I'll stop but until such a time I won't sweat it. HMMMMMmmmmm.......... I wonder if ya'lls deer are just to weak to stay healthy?
disease isn't a problem here in Tx. I haven't heard of a single case of CWD or blue tounge. And if you had read all of my posts you would know I don't deer hunt over feeders. I concentrate on oak flats. I do supplemental feeding and I hog hunt over feeders. Because I don't have the luxury of ag crops I do what I can to keep deer on the property I hunt. Feeders are legal in Tx. I will continue to use them and you can continue to condemn me for it. If disease shows up I'll stop but until such a time I won't sweat it. HMMMMMmmmmm.......... I wonder if ya'lls deer are just to weak to stay healthy?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "You're a lousy excuse for a hunter because you bait," I have seen some of TX, and there are places down there where I think I'd bait just to get the deer out of the brush, its a whole different type of terrain and vegetation, and I know and understand that. What I AM saying is that there is a HUGE difference between a feeder/bait pile and a corn field. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to bananas, and leaving oranges out of the equation completely. I think some of the issue with the "diseased" animals was known to come from "Deer farms," with the CWD, but the EHD is a little protazoan that thrives in stagnant water, and with our drought year last year, it reared its ugly head, quite severely in many areas. It's not contagious, from deer to deer, but found in the drinking water.
09-09-2008 | 02:52 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
09-09-2008 | 02:55 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr
No, the difference is that for BOWHUNTING purposes, a big CUT CORN FIELD is open terrain with NO COVER for a hunter to attempt to get close, which usually means little to no chance for success. And deer are NOT stupid. I've rarely been able to perfectly pattern deer on ag-fields in most of the areas I hunt, because they don't have patterns much of the time. Like I said before, if it were that easy, I'd have a wall full of BOONERS, because I KNOW where there are some, but getting within arrow range just ain't that easy. The only similarity is that it's a FOOD SOURCE, beyond that, a corn field can be more difficult to hunt than a stand of woods, because at least the woods give you avenues of approach.
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The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
09-09-2008 | 03:04 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr
No, the difference is that for BOWHUNTING purposes, a big CUT CORN FIELD is open terrain with NO COVER for a hunter to attempt to get close, which usually means little to no chance for success. And deer are NOT stupid. I've rarely been able to perfectly pattern deer on ag-fields in most of the areas I hunt, because they don't have patterns much of the time. Like I said before, if it were that easy, I'd have a wall full of BOONERS, because I KNOW where there are some, but getting within arrow range just ain't that easy. The only similarity is that it's a FOOD SOURCE, beyond that, a corn field can be more difficult to hunt than a stand of woods, because at least the woods give you avenues of approach.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
09-09-2008 | 03:57 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
Well all in all, i love the responses, and this is a BIG topic, but to each thier own, i believe we should be able to bait under careful guidelines, and let it be. we are not doing anything different then farmers but reducing the size of the crop!