Just Have To Say
09-09-2008 | 01:53 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
If hunting cornfields, bean fields, oak trees & other food sources is so easy & the same as hunting over bait, why would anyone waste the time/money of creating a bait pile?
09-09-2008 | 01:58 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
Rybo I posted a thread a while back RE: baiting in SC and the success rate of people hunting over bait v. NOT hunting over bait. I can re-post the results for those who thinks hunting over bait is such a huge advantage.
Maybe the guy you describe above doesn't have the luxury of planting a crop field? Doesn't own the land to be able to do so? What's the difference in a 1/2 acre food plot and a spread feeder?
Let's just be honest when we discuss these things and leave misconceptions and conjecture out of it. Will bait draw in deer? Sure! Will ag fields? Sure! Food plots? Sure! Recurring theme? Sure!
Maybe the guy you describe above doesn't have the luxury of planting a crop field? Doesn't own the land to be able to do so? What's the difference in a 1/2 acre food plot and a spread feeder?
Let's just be honest when we discuss these things and leave misconceptions and conjecture out of it. Will bait draw in deer? Sure! Will ag fields? Sure! Food plots? Sure! Recurring theme? Sure!
09-09-2008 | 02:01 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
If hunting cornfields, bean fields, oak trees & other food sources is so easy & the same as hunting over bait, why would anyone waste the time/money of creating a bait pile?
If hunting cornfields, bean fields, oak trees & other food sources is so easy & the same as hunting over bait, why would anyone waste the time/money of creating a bait pile?
09-09-2008 | 02:06 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
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Why? Really, why? Each way can help a hunter pattern deer and get a shot opportunity. it may take longer in a corn field but deer are creatures of habit. Find where they enter and exit and chances are if you set up there they will come by again.
ORIGINAL: early in
Ridiculous comparison.
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Does the cornfield help you pattern the deer? Can you watch for a day or 2 and know when and where they will enter? Yeah, I thought so. One big bait pile!
Does the cornfield help you pattern the deer? Can you watch for a day or 2 and know when and where they will enter? Yeah, I thought so. One big bait pile!
Disease!!!! That's what it's ALL ABOUT!!!!
Tx.
If it wasn't in your screen-name, I'd have known where you were from anyhow based on your responses. You don't hunt bait piles of feeders do you????
(because I think I already know this answer!!! 
) If you think a corn field is the same as a bait pile or a feeder, you are SADLY mistaken. If it were "JUST THAT EASY," I'd have a wall full of Booners, but it ain't just that easy. And I'd rather not see corn up, I'm a much bigger fan of Soy Beans, because deer can't hide in them. Not sure if you knew this, but our corn up here is FIELD CORN, it grows to 8-10ft high in MANY places, and our deer, contrary to popular believe, AREN'T quite that big. If corn is up, I have to change my hunting plan completely vs. beans being planted. And being a Bow-only hunter, a corn field don't put deer within range as long as they're where they can eat corn, give me a feeder or a bait pile, and any deer eating IS "within range."Are bait piles BAD??? Form your own opinion, but if you start having outbreaks of bovine tuberculosis, and 40% of your population dies off, then you may be in the opinion that they are. If blue tongue (EHD) were a contagious disease that could be passed from animal to animal, then a larger number of deer would die in areas that are stricken with it each year, including my areas last year, fortunately it is not. But BAIT PILES congregate deer in close proximity, and increase spread of disease, plain and simple. You wouldn't want to be crammed into and elevator with 3 or 4 people with colds that kept coughing and not covering their face would you???? Want to drink after someone with a nasty cold sore on their mouth????? No thanks!!!!
09-09-2008 | 02:08 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
I know Jeff, I was just trying to help people make the connection that a food source is a food source, whether it was planted there for someone to make a living from, planted there specifically to attract deer, grew from a single acorn 30 years prior, or was purchased at the local feed mill and dumped out.
I think people need to look at broader pictures when discussing baiting. Obviously is the disease thing. But then also some should realize, when EVERY tree over the course of a property is dumping acorns, it is 10x harder to figure out the deer compared to when 1 or 2 localized areas are producing. So if a situation came about where EVERYONE was baiting, food is plentiful, deer don’t have to move much or compete, works in reverse for the hunter.
I think people need to look at broader pictures when discussing baiting. Obviously is the disease thing. But then also some should realize, when EVERY tree over the course of a property is dumping acorns, it is 10x harder to figure out the deer compared to when 1 or 2 localized areas are producing. So if a situation came about where EVERYONE was baiting, food is plentiful, deer don’t have to move much or compete, works in reverse for the hunter.
09-09-2008 | 02:11 PM
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So if a situation came about where EVERYONE was baiting, food is plentiful, deer don’t have to move much or compete, works in reverse for the hunter.
LOl....seriously....I know ONE other hunter who doesn't bait deer on the properties they hunt. EVERY OTHER hunter I know who hunts NC baits. I kid you not.
09-09-2008 | 02:16 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr
OK, some of y'all don't "GET IT," so let me help you out. BAIT PILES HELP INCREASE THE SPREAD OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES!!!!! And that's why y'all in WISC. are allowed to use them. Ever hear of this disease call Chronic Wasting Disease????
Disease!!!! That's what it's ALL ABOUT!!!!
Tx.
If it wasn't in your screen-name, I'd have known where you were from anyhow based on your responses. You don't hunt bait piles of feeders do you???? (because I think I already know this answer!!! ) If you think a corn field is the same as a bait pile or a feeder, you are SADLY mistaken. If it were "JUST THAT EASY," I'd have a wall full of Booners, but it ain't just that easy. And I'd rather not see corn up, I'm a much bigger fan of Soy Beans, because deer can't hide in them. Not sure if you knew this, but our corn up here is FIELD CORN, it grows to 8-10ft high in MANY places, and our deer, contrary to popular believe, AREN'T quite that big. If corn is up, I have to change my hunting plan completely vs. beans being planted. And being a Bow-only hunter, a corn field don't put deer within range as long as they're where they can eat corn, give me a feeder or a bait pile, and any deer eating IS "within range."
Are bait piles BAD??? Form your own opinion, but if you start having outbreaks of bovine tuberculosis, and 40% of your population dies off, then you may be in the opinion that they are. If blue tongue (EHD) were a contagious disease that could be passed from animal to animal, then a larger number of deer would die in areas that are stricken with it each year, including my areas last year, fortunately it is not. But BAIT PILES congregate deer in close proximity, and increase spread of disease, plain and simple. You wouldn't want to be crammed into and elevator with 3 or 4 people with colds that kept coughing and not covering their face would you???? Want to drink after someone with a nasty cold sore on their mouth????? No thanks!!!!
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
Why? Really, why? Each way can help a hunter pattern deer and get a shot opportunity. it may take longer in a corn field but deer are creatures of habit. Find where they enter and exit and chances are if you set up there they will come by again.
ORIGINAL: early in
Ridiculous comparison.
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
Does the cornfield help you pattern the deer? Can you watch for a day or 2 and know when and where they will enter? Yeah, I thought so. One big bait pile!
Does the cornfield help you pattern the deer? Can you watch for a day or 2 and know when and where they will enter? Yeah, I thought so. One big bait pile!
Disease!!!! That's what it's ALL ABOUT!!!!
Tx.
If it wasn't in your screen-name, I'd have known where you were from anyhow based on your responses. You don't hunt bait piles of feeders do you????
(because I think I already know this answer!!! ) If you think a corn field is the same as a bait pile or a feeder, you are SADLY mistaken. If it were "JUST THAT EASY," I'd have a wall full of Booners, but it ain't just that easy. And I'd rather not see corn up, I'm a much bigger fan of Soy Beans, because deer can't hide in them. Not sure if you knew this, but our corn up here is FIELD CORN, it grows to 8-10ft high in MANY places, and our deer, contrary to popular believe, AREN'T quite that big. If corn is up, I have to change my hunting plan completely vs. beans being planted. And being a Bow-only hunter, a corn field don't put deer within range as long as they're where they can eat corn, give me a feeder or a bait pile, and any deer eating IS "within range."Are bait piles BAD??? Form your own opinion, but if you start having outbreaks of bovine tuberculosis, and 40% of your population dies off, then you may be in the opinion that they are. If blue tongue (EHD) were a contagious disease that could be passed from animal to animal, then a larger number of deer would die in areas that are stricken with it each year, including my areas last year, fortunately it is not. But BAIT PILES congregate deer in close proximity, and increase spread of disease, plain and simple. You wouldn't want to be crammed into and elevator with 3 or 4 people with colds that kept coughing and not covering their face would you???? Want to drink after someone with a nasty cold sore on their mouth????? No thanks!!!!
09-09-2008 | 02:18 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
Does the cornfield help you pattern the deer? Can you watch for a day or 2 and know when and where they will enter? Yeah, I thought so. One big bait pile!
Does the cornfield help you pattern the deer? Can you watch for a day or 2 and know when and where they will enter? Yeah, I thought so. One big bait pile!
09-09-2008 | 02:23 PM
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RE: Just Have To Say
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Welcome to NC Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!
LOl....seriously....I know ONE other hunter who doesn't bait deer on the properties they hunt. EVERY OTHER hunter I know who hunts NC baits. I kid you not.
So if a situation came about where EVERYONE was baiting, food is plentiful, deer don’t have to move much or compete, works in reverse for the hunter.
LOl....seriously....I know ONE other hunter who doesn't bait deer on the properties they hunt. EVERY OTHER hunter I know who hunts NC baits. I kid you not.
I say that with some sarcasm, but seriously, if all you had to do is ride your quad by your feeder a couple times a week and throw a 50# bag of corn in it, then when season comes climb into a stand and shoot your deer of choice, doesn't that take some of the "HUNT" out of it. I just don't see the "hunt" side to it. I know technically it's "hunting," but for me, I scout out a woods, pick a couple "probable" spots, and come back with a climber on my back, or I stalk through a woods, bow in hand, and try to sneak in on a travel corridor, lean against a tree, and stick one. I find ground hunting, on the move much more EXCITING than stand hunting, however, I find the success rates tend to not be nearly as good also, considering GOOD STAND PLACEMENT. Jeff,
The number of people HERE that I know that bait, I can count on one hand. Most of the guys I know hunt travel corridors, oak flats, orchards, funnels, etc., myself included.