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GMMAT 09-09-2008 02:28 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
Or, the deer may start to equate bait piles to danger and skirt around them. BIG BUCKS often times don't hit bait piles, or do so well after dark, from what I understand and I know a few people who bait here in OH, but the rest of us HUNT!!!! ;)
Doesn't take long!

I say that with some sarcasm, but seriously, if all you had to do is ride your quad by your feeder a couple times a week and throw a 50# bag of corn in it, then when season comes climb into a stand and shoot your deer of choice, doesn't that take some of the "HUNT" out of it.
I suppose you mean a doe....because you've already established big bucks won't come to it.

I don't mean this in a bad way.....but I'm guessing "other" hunters don't give a flip about what YOU (or I) consider "hunting" or not. Nor should they.

txjourneyman 09-09-2008 02:33 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

So if a situation came about where EVERYONE was baiting, food is plentiful, deer don’t have to move much or compete, works in reverse for the hunter.
Welcome to NC Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!

LOl....seriously....I know ONE other hunter who doesn't bait deer on the properties they hunt. EVERY OTHER hunter I know who hunts NC baits. I kid you not.;)
Or, the deer may start to equate bait piles to danger and skirt around them. BIG BUCKS often times don't hit bait piles, or do so well after dark, from what I understand and I know a few people who bait here in OH, but the rest of us HUNT!!!! ;) I say that with some sarcasm, but seriously, if all you had to do is ride your quad by your feeder a couple times a week and throw a 50# bag of corn in it, then when season comes climb into a stand and shoot your deer of choice, doesn't that take some of the "HUNT" out of it. I just don't see the "hunt" side to it. I know technically it's "hunting," but for me, I scout out a woods, pick a couple "probable" spots, and come back with a climber on my back, or I stalk through a woods, bow in hand, and try to sneak in on a travel corridor, lean against a tree, and stick one. I find ground hunting, on the move much more EXCITING than stand hunting, however, I find the success rates tend to not be nearly as good also, considering GOOD STAND PLACEMENT.

Jeff,
The number of people HERE that I know that bait, I can count on one hand. Most of the guys I know hunt travel corridors, oak flats, orchards, funnels, etc., myself included.
Doug those reasons are exactly why I don't hunt deer over the feeders. I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment or satisfaction that I figured them out. I don't have a lot of bow kills under my belt but I know I do like to make things a bit more challenging. My most exciting hunt so far was a doe killed under an oak tree. I was sitting on the ground with acorns falling all around me. I thought it might be a good place to try.
However I won't condemn a man for whatever legal means he employs.

OHbowhntr 09-09-2008 02:40 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman

disease isn't a problem here in Tx. I haven't heard of a single case of CWD or blue tounge. And if you had read all of my posts you would know I don't deer hunt over feeders. I concentrate on oak flats. I do supplemental feeding and I hog hunt over feeders. Because I don't have the luxury of ag crops I do what I can to keep deer on the property I hunt. Feeders are legal in Tx. I will continue to use them and you can continue to condemn me for it. If disease shows up I'll stop but until such a time I won't sweat it. HMMMMMmmmmm.......... I wonder if ya'lls deer are just to weak to stay healthy?
And I understand THIS, but in Wisconsin, it IS!!! I'm not condemning baiting completely, though I WON'T do it, I understand, that there are places, TX, NC, SC, etc, that baiting/feeders are more or less the "norm." If I'd grown up learning to shoot deer under a feeder, I'd probably have a different opinion, likewise, if I grown up Jewish, I probably wouldn't be a Lutheran. :D Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "You're a lousy excuse for a hunter because you bait," I have seen some of TX, and there are places down there where I think I'd bait just to get the deer out of the brush, its a whole different type of terrain and vegetation, and I know and understand that. What I AM saying is that there is a HUGE difference between a feeder/bait pile and a corn field. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to bananas, and leaving oranges out of the equation completely.

I think some of the issue with the "diseased" animals was known to come from "Deer farms," with the CWD, but the EHD is a little protazoan that thrives in stagnant water, and with our drought year last year, it reared its ugly head, quite severely in many areas. It's not contagious, from deer to deer, but found in the drinking water.

ORIGINAL: txjourneyman

Doug those reasons are exactly why I don't hunt deer over the feeders. I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment or satisfaction that I figured them out. I don't have a lot of bow kills under my belt but I know I do like to make things a bit more challenging. My most exciting hunt so far was a doe killed under an oak tree. I was sitting on the ground with acorns falling all around me. I thought it might be a good place to try.
However I won't condemn a man for whatever legal means he employs.
I agree Greg, like I said, I'm not "condemning it," but the comparison is completely different, that's more of my point I'm trying to make. My most exciting hunt was also a doe, a doe I grown to know intimately, and passed up a couple of times, once she cost me an opportunity at a legitimate 170-180" 12-pt BOONER. From that point, she was my PRIME target. I was lucky enough to arrow her the following year on the day after Christmas with 15 other deer within 50yds of me, she was THE HERD MATRIARCH, and arrowing her was as exciting as any buck I've ever killed. We're not that far apart, on this, it's just some small semantics, that's all.

GMMAT 09-09-2008 02:42 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
Comparing the two is like comparing apples to bananas, and leaving oranges out of the equation completely.
That oughta clear it up.

I'm with ya! :D

txjourneyman 09-09-2008 02:43 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr

ORIGINAL: txjourneyman

disease isn't a problem here in Tx. I haven't heard of a single case of CWD or blue tounge. And if you had read all of my posts you would know I don't deer hunt over feeders. I concentrate on oak flats. I do supplemental feeding and I hog hunt over feeders. Because I don't have the luxury of ag crops I do what I can to keep deer on the property I hunt. Feeders are legal in Tx. I will continue to use them and you can continue to condemn me for it. If disease shows up I'll stop but until such a time I won't sweat it. HMMMMMmmmmm.......... I wonder if ya'lls deer are just to weak to stay healthy?
And I understand THIS, but in Wisconsin, it IS!!! I'm not condemning baiting completely, though I WON'T do it, I understand, that there are places, TX, NC, SC, etc, that baiting/feeders are more or less the "norm." If I'd grown up learning to shoot deer under a feeder, I'd probably have a different opinion, likewise, if I grown up Jewish, I probably wouldn't be a Lutheran. :D Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "You're a lousy excuse for a hunter because you bait," I have seen some of TX, and there are places down there where I think I'd bait just to get the deer out of the brush, its a whole different type of terrain and vegetation, and I know and understand that. What I AM saying is that there is a HUGE difference between a feeder/bait pile and a corn field. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to bananas, and leaving oranges out of the equation completely.

I think some of the issue with the "diseased" animals was known to come from "Deer farms," with the CWD, but the EHD is a little protazoan that thrives in stagnant water, and with our drought year last year, it reared its ugly head, quite severely in many areas. It's not contagious, from deer to deer, but found in the drinking water.
OK, I concede that there are HUGE differences. can you concede that there are also similarities?

GMMAT 09-09-2008 02:44 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.

OHbowhntr 09-09-2008 02:52 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
ORIGINAL: GMMAT

The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
No, the difference is that for BOWHUNTING purposes, a big CUT CORN FIELD is open terrain with NO COVER for a hunter to attempt to get close, which usually means little to no chance for success. And deer are NOT stupid. I've rarely been able to perfectly pattern deer on ag-fields in most of the areas I hunt, because they don't have patterns much of the time. Like I said before, if it were that easy, I'd have a wall full of BOONERS, because I KNOW where there are some, but getting within arrow range just ain't that easy. The only similarity is that it's a FOOD SOURCE, beyond that, a corn field can be more difficult to hunt than a stand of woods, because at least the woods give you avenues of approach.

txjourneyman 09-09-2008 02:55 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
No, the difference is that for BOWHUNTING purposes, a big CUT CORN FIELD is open terrain with NO COVER for a hunter to attempt to get close, which usually means little to no chance for success. And deer are NOT stupid. I've rarely been able to perfectly pattern deer on ag-fields in most of the areas I hunt, because they don't have patterns much of the time. Like I said before, if it were that easy, I'd have a wall full of BOONERS, because I KNOW where there are some, but getting within arrow range just ain't that easy. The only similarity is that it's a FOOD SOURCE, beyond that, a corn field can be more difficult to hunt than a stand of woods, because at least the woods give you avenues of approach.
OK, I can't argue that. I have zero experience hunting ag fields. My only knowledge of patterning deer in ag areas is info I have read. I'll get back to you on food plots if mine have grown by Sept 27th!;)

early in 09-09-2008 03:04 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

The difference is the size. The similarities are --- everything else.
No, the difference is that for BOWHUNTING purposes, a big CUT CORN FIELD is open terrain with NO COVER for a hunter to attempt to get close, which usually means little to no chance for success. And deer are NOT stupid. I've rarely been able to perfectly pattern deer on ag-fields in most of the areas I hunt, because they don't have patterns much of the time. Like I said before, if it were that easy, I'd have a wall full of BOONERS, because I KNOW where there are some, but getting within arrow range just ain't that easy. The only similarity is that it's a FOOD SOURCE, beyond that, a corn field can be more difficult to hunt than a stand of woods, because at least the woods give you avenues of approach.
Sheeeww! Thanks for that breath of fresh air. This is what I'm talking about when I say that feeders/corn pilesbring them to a "SPECIFIC SPOT", unlike a fieldwhere they can enter from any one of a hundred directions, and have a"CHOICE" of where they want to feed.

bowtechlove 09-09-2008 03:57 PM
RE: Just Have To Say
 
Well all in all, i love the responses, and this is a BIG topic, but to each thier own, i believe we should be able to bait under careful guidelines, and let it be. we are not doing anything different then farmers but reducing the size of the crop!


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