Scent Lok Vs. Bloodhound Video
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXp3kv8fs_0&eurl=http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=734684

This video is interesting. Provided all the appropriate washing and spraying was done before the test was run.

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Hmm, cant beat a bloodhound.

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hounds actually learn to follow crushed vegitation and other traces that are left behind...

(i had police k9 officers put on a demonstration with their K9s for a search and rescue class..thats what they said...YOU dont have to smell..your crushing vegitation, fibers of clothing, rubber from shoes wearing off etc leaves a trail)

i watched one of the K9s follow a trail an hour old, POURING RAIN, across a mowed grass field, through a decint water puddle(not DEEP but water puddled in the grass for 10yds or so) and keep its nose on the track as the track zig zaged in the field...when it lost its straight line it circled and followed it in the right direction like it never lost it...then located the party that layed the trail in the woods after the guy passed through 2 small thickets and 50yds of forest...an hour old track..raining for hours before, the whole hour the track laid, and while the dog tracked...it was amazing...those dogs dont need human scent...

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My dad doesn't have a cell phone, whenever Ma wants him home she sends out Clem the Bloodhound;)

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I thought dude was going to have a heart attack half way through[&:]

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True, but Mythbusters Tested the scentlock suits by hiding the guys in wooden boxes throughout a field. It took the dogs less than a minute to circle down wind and figure out exactly which box the guy was hiding in.

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Mythbusters has tested it, Dateline NBC has tested it with German shepherds and I am sure other shows have tested it as well. The military has tested it. Independant scientists have tested it.

All come to the same conclusion in that it does not, has not, will not eleminate your scent.

The only folks that stand firm that it does work are the people that manufacture it, the people that get paid a lot of moneyto wear it,and the people that have paid hundreds of dollars for it (and some of these folkshave figuredout that it does not work).

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Come on guys, quit it. Haven't youheard the saying "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up'."

All you have to do is research the subject on this forum and you will findthat it does indeed work and it is backed up by SCIENCE.:D

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Ahh hahh! Just what I thought. Hunt the rightwind. ;)

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What I find so humorous in this test is the inability of many people to realize and understand just how sensitive a bloodhounds nose is. It's roughly 40 times better than a human and contains about 230 million olfactory cells. It can also track down a single skin cell.. something I am afraid to tell many in here (for fear of breaking there hearts) is much MUCH better than a whitetail.

Sorry to say it. But it's true.

The video and experiment have no control. It's simply a bunch of dudes out hiding in an outdoor setting and hopefully they followed directions. Then one of the worlds greatest animals with the nose track them down.

The best part of the entire scent lok debate is the opposers of it. Who claim you can't eliminate (which means 100%) scent with the SL suit.

The even better part of the debate is the guys who use SL say.. "you are correct you cannot eliminate all your scent". It's all about getting rid of as much scent as possible. They believe the best scent is no scent.. and they will try to achieve as much as they can.. even if it's a small percent or just enough to buy them time.

Besides I think we should all just light up.. smell like an exhaust pipe and play the wind only.. cause thats a much better option.

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The Scentlok "does it work, does it not work" debate will continue on and on as long as it being made and bought by hunters. The purpose of these debates should not be to force ones opinion on someone else, but to provide enough information to persons interested in purchasing Scent Lok that he makes an intelligent decision about it, instead of the poor sap being duped into believing "Forget the Wind, Just Hunt." If someone weighs all the information available, then decides that Scent Lok may give him even the slightest edge, and it's within his budget, by all means he should purchase it and not be chastised for doing so. I've used Scent Lok, from head to toe, and found it didn't make any difference, so I quit using it. I've found much more effective methods of controlling my scent since then.

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about the thing in the box, different dogs are trained for different things...the box demonstration sounds like an air scenting dog. different from a tracking dog.

DM is right as well...compairing their noses to a whitetails is like comparing OUR noses to a whitetails....

yep, it doesnt make you 100% scent free...it MIGHT contain your scent if you could be 100% wrapped and sealed in the stuff...but thats where some of the problem lies...

i never paid a dime for the stuff...dont work for them..not affiliated with them in any way shape or form....but i still believe that it helps....

heck, maybe the only reason all us idgits think it works is because it IS expensive and we DO take special care with it and when wearing it and storing it and washing it etc...anyone that GETS the concept knows the outside has to be as scent free as possible before it can help contain scent...i know i take much better care of my SL than i ever did my regular ole camo....


HEY!!!! congrats racewayking for starting another SL war!!! ;)

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Duke,

Can you verify that bloodhounds have more olfactory cells than whitetail deer? I've seen it referenced that whitetails have 220 million but cannot find that data now. I'm curious as to how the two truly compared as documented by science.

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I did a quick google search and found this, which I'm not saying is credible, but.......

To examine the olfactory epithelium of the roe by the light microscope, the respective nasal region was prepared on the spot right on shooting, stained with a solution of Trypan-Blue, fixed in "Susa" thereafter, and was finally embedded in paraffin by the usual process. Macroscopically already a luxuriant development both of the endo- and ectoturbinalia was to be observed, filling the entire olfactory region of the nasal cavity with numerous folds, convolutions and ramifications. For the purpose of microscopic examination sections from 6 to 10 mum in thickness were made. The border between regio respiratoria and regio olfactoria runs irregularly. Again and again there are patches bare of receptors respectively glandular ones even in the olfactory region. The thickness of the olfactory mucous membrane varies from 140 to 400 mum, the height of the epithelium from 35 to 90 mum. The olfactory area was determined to total approx. 90 cm2 by means of two methods. The distribution of olfactory cells within the epithelium is a very irregular one, their number ranging from 4 to 62 cells per 1000 mum2. Most commonly a density of 24 to 42 cells was encountered. Taking a mean density of 33/1000 mum2 and an overall olfactory area of 90 cm2, the total number of olfactory cells was calculated to run up to 297 million.

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That's the thing DC. I have looked up this answer 100 times over the years and not only found no credible data. But have also found answers ranging from 1,000 times better than a human (which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard) to the best animal in the WORLD with the sense of smell.

Unfortunately over the years the greatest truths about hunting I've ever learned have been the exaggeration of it's 'professional' authors and sometimes even it's biologists.

Believe me.. I wish there was more credible data. But the hunters of the world and there authors have twisted it completely. How many times have anyone of else heard or read a whitetail can smell 100 times better than us. This you can look up anyday and find it's false.

Some might say this was semantics. But it's not. The difference between 30 times and 100 times is HUGE.

But the bloodhound truths are factual since I can find you much more than 1 credible study. And all the numbers range within this realm. No one hunts bloodhounds.. so there's no profit to be made by couch biologists.:)

But the point I was trying to make was with that 1 or 2 skin cells that a bloodhound can track. It's considered like NO other in the world from what I've read. Something that differentiates the bloodhound from all other animals that science can claim. (At this point). Something to do with their saliva and ears that lay down funny enough.

Sorry DC. I wish I knew too as to what the number of olfactory cells a whitetail has.[&o]

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Thanks Duke, it would be interesting to see how a wild animal's nose,whose life depended onit, compared to what is considered the greatest nose on earth.

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I don't think the bloodhound is considered the greatest nose on earth.

I think that title belongs to the shark actually. But I could be wrong. I seem to remember reading this fact a few times before.

The astounding thing about a bloodhounds nose is in it's ability to track 1 or 2 skin cells.

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You know what I meant :D

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You also have to remember that those bloodhounds are doing what they are trained to do. Deer just happen to be down wind of something when they smell you. bloodhounds find the trail and go untill they find the source and deer happen to find the scent. but that is just how i see topic. they both have an increadible abillity to sniff things out.

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Duke- Sorry if I ruined your Sunday with another Scent Lok thread[:@] Bloodhounds do in fact pick up scent more effectively than a Whitetail, I found this on the internet so take it with a grain of salt.

Bloodhounds have a much better sense of smell than deer for a number of reasons. One reason is due to the long ears, which help trap minute particles ( such as skin cells, etc.) that are invisible to the naked eye. Also, the moisture from their copious drooling helps the scent particles to 'stick' to them, which enables them in tracking their target. Bloodhounds are also highly trained to zero in on the scent they are given to track, and not be distracted by sounds, activities, other scents, etc.

With this being said it is safe to assume that a Bloodhound will be more effective. I posted the video because we have often had threads in here debating Scent Lok but never a video. Granted the control of this experiment could be off base, but the Tracker did say the target showered in scent soap, sprayed scent products and used Scent Lok. The dog could have smelled the scent elimination spray and used that smell to locate the target for all we know;) We'll be able to end this debate once they develop a product that fools the Bloodhound.

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And with all this evidence, there are still countless "pros" promoting it, millions of dollars still being spent purchasing it, millions currently being spend defending it in court.

My favorite saying which is most appropriate is "Some people will just never get it"...

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Todd how about Scent lok's slogan I just seen on the tube.... Scent Lok = Hunt - 360*...... :D:D:D:D

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to me a test of scentloc is useless unless it is done with a deer. not some dog walking down a trail the shoes could have had something on the they guy might have stepped in dog crap.
The dog was smelling the ground not the air
Not to say the stuff works i will know next year i found a place with my size for 299 for pants and the jacket.
also heres how i see to end this debate
The govt or a non paid org. with no reason to go one way or the other to take the scentloc suit seal the hand holes necks holes feet holes and feel it with scent. be it body odor or wait ever and in a controlled space see if the scent gets out. methan or a gas would work good because you could test it with a air tester not a animal or someones nose

if the scent gets out it does not work there for everyone should get a refund plus %
If it works time for the anti scentloc people to shutup.

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A dogs sense of smell is believed to be 100 times greater than that of a humans. Bloodhounds 300 times better, deer 1,000 times better, and bear 2,100 times better. A bear can reportedly smell a dead animal carcus 20 miles away, upwind.

In other words, human scent is ALL OVER THE WOODS! These animals smell it everywhere. Your scent, in itself, will not spook deer. The concept of scent blocking clothing is to reduce your scent, not eliminate it (as this would be a scientific impossibility), to fool the animals into believing you're further away than you really are. Great gimmick. Produce a product that really can't be disproven, as none of us are deer.

So a deers sense of smell exceeds even that of a bloodhounds, and that's not scientific enough for you? My German Shepard busted me 100 yards into the woods with scent-loc a few years back. Great camo. Gets washed with the rest my hunting clothes these days ;).

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And we ALL know we catch 'em going to eat/drink......coming from home from eating/drinking.......or out and about making little deer.

And us dumb ass saps (as a community)spend millions on uselsss videos, every year.

We aren't real smart, are we?

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doesnt bother me one way or another, but why take it to personal jabs about this mans business just because he doesnt believe in the clothing you wear? just curious...

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I buy videos for entertainment? :eek:

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Nothing personal about it.

I just don't see too many people within such a tight-knit industry (relatively small "circle" of archery business "family" members) putting down another product.....when all they're trying to do is make a buck, too.

It's also a slap in the face (personally;)) to everyone who does buy into the technology.

What the detractors want to do is say......"We don't believe in it". That, in and of itself, would be fine. What they also seem to want to do is say....."AND....you're a sucker for buying into it".....which is uncalled for.

I kinda just weigh the source.

I read these threads for entertainment.

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One thing for sure ...... there are ALOT of scent-lok sack riders out there ;)

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Hey, I fell into that pit myself. I own 2 sets and don't use it because it's hot, stiffling and it doesn't work. For everyone who says they've had deer dead down wind and they didn't spook... I've had it happen also while NOT wearing scent lok.

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Atleast TWO in this thread.:D:Dj/k This topic always gives me a chuckle but I just keep my opinion on the down low. [X(]

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i am also coming to the point to think we are all dumb as **** when it comes to hunting gear i thought fisherman where bad.

When i was a kid i would take a cheap pole and rod take a worm for some bait and throw it in the water.
Now it is like everyone want gps or a fish finder to say drop you pull right there.

Not to say i have a problem with a fish finder i got one plan to buy a new one.

But i think we are getting to deep into these gimmicks. weather it works or not we do not need half the stuff we buy for hunting or fishing

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all you guys who hate it why do you not sell it to the guys who want it to keep the money in our hunting group here and not scentloc. ;)
sell it to another member get some of your cash back and let them get a good deal.
Anyone got my size.

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Big Tim, they dont make one in Tent size.:D:DJ/k big guy.

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The bottom line on this is simple. That stuff is JUNK!!![:'(] I'm just saying.;)

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People have been killing deer in jeans and t shirts for years. Doesn't mean there isn't a "better" way. People killed deer without practicing scent control measures. Doesn't mean there isn't a "better" way.

Just because you've had deer downwind of you and not spook.....means nothing, whether you were or weren't wearing scent lok.

The detractors want to cite the casual wearer of the suits. The guys I know who use them, religiously (and no...I'm not one of them)....aren't your "average" scent control freaks.

I don't think there's a person out there, who....if they were honest, doesn't think it helps a "little" (as little as 1% is acceptable to most of thos who use it).

It's fun to call the "other guy" a fool, though, I guess. Usually they give good reason. sometimes that isn't the case, though.

Like I said.....consider the source.....consider the agenda.

Then sit back and realize it's really like I said all along on the other thread. It boils right down to $$.

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I'm stictly giving my opinion regarding companies that are making money from peoples lack of knowledge in-regard to the scent detecting capabilities of a whitetail. Doncha find it somewhat amazing that these companies who are selling the concept of "scent elimination or reduction" never come out and say what a whitetail is capable of detecting - versus what their products are capable of reducing your scent down to? This is essentually the bottom line correct? Think real hard!


Kinda amazing that one industry can claim something, and everyone just accepts it because they said so? I'm not getting paid by anyone to say anything, so I can voice my opinion as it relates to hunting whitetails; as that ismy life. I loveand admire these animals and marvel at their abilities of scent detection. Anyone who really believes they are getting away with something are either brainwashed or don't want to know!

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SO you have two garments.....both made by the same company. They are absolutey identical in every aspect, except one.

One has scent lok technology. The other doesn't.

The mfr. is willing to outfit you and your entire crew with either set. There is no money issue in play.....because they're giving you the garments.

Which ones do you choose......and why?

Thanks.