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bigcountry 08-07-2008 08:39 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
ORIGINAL: Schultzy

ORIGINAL: bigcountry

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

One man's high fence is another man's bait barrel.
We rarely see eye to eye, but you hit it on the head here. I see all kinds of folks putting down high fense but won't hesitate to go and put out 100lbs of corn, which I loathe, and wish MD would ban. But I am not paying for these folks corn, plots, or high fense hunt, so who am I to tell em they are wrong?

Wake up bigc! That quote of Jeff's was aimed right at me on bear baiting in Minnesota.;) Not baiting deer in any other state.
Thats my point schultz. I hate baiting. But I don't bear hunt either. Just not my thing. But I am not going to put you down for baiting bears. I am not sure how one hunts bears without bait or dogs, because I rarely see one just mosing around.

Point is, everyone needs to realize that just because they don't do it, doesn't mean its wrong. Wrong is a state of mind.

GMMAT 08-07-2008 08:42 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
Point is, everyone needs to realize that just because they don't do it, doesn't mean its wrong. Wrong is a state of mind.
And the double standard exists when a man will condemn one man for hunting legally (high fence) yet turn a blind eye to the next man hunting legally (baiting bears, deer).

That's the DEFINITION of a double standard.;)

LouisianaTomkat 08-07-2008 08:48 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
I never condemned anyone for either. I do not condone baiting deer. I have done it. Did not like that either. I think a captive animal is by far not the same as a free ranging animal lured by bait.(Even though I do neither)

Sort of like if you had a zebra in the zoo who gets fed every day. Do you still think the zebra would stay in the zoo if they opened the gate? Got an answer for that?

LT

Schultzy 08-07-2008 08:49 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

ORIGINAL: Schultzy

What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the country and hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?
Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.
But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?
It would be tough Bruce. Bear just aren't very patternable and can be very nocturnal. I've talked with a ton of deer hunters that hunt in Northern Minnesota where the bear population is and allot or most of these deer hunters have never ever seen a bear while sitting on there deer stand. Minnesota has a very thick big woods. If it was more open country, mountain country, bait would not be a factor. One could spot and stalk then. Baiting has to be done here to shoot bear, there's no way around it. I wouldn't BS you Bruce. If we didn't need to bait to shoot bear in Mn I wouldn't use it. Baiting bear is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.

cooter144 08-07-2008 08:57 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
ORIGINAL: Schultzy

ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

ORIGINAL: Schultzy

What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the country and hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?
Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.
But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?
It would be tough Bruce. Bear just aren't very patternable and can be very nocturnal. I've talked with a ton of deer hunters that hunt in Northern Minnesota where the bear population is and allot or most of these deer hunters have never ever seen a bear while sitting on there deer stand. Minnesota has a very thick big woods. If it was more open country, mountain country, bait would not be a factor. One could spot and stalk then. Baiting has to be done here to shoot bear, there's no way around it. I wouldn't BS you Bruce. If we didn't need to bait to shoot bear in Mn I wouldn't use it. Baiting bear is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
You are darn right that baiting is a TON of work. I'm sure most people that haven't hunted bear this way alsothink that putting out bait means that bears will just come a runnin. The reality is that many baits are never hit by any bears or the mature ones will only come in at dark.

It isNOT easy to take a mature bear even with bait.

gbrownlee 08-07-2008 08:58 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
ORIGINAL: StrutNtom

A lot of people think if its a "large" area that it justifies the high fence. That is pure BS. I don't care if its 100,000 acres the fact is that its still fenced. That animalyou killed (if given the chance) might have moved onto another farm or five miles down the road.


If it was 100,000 acres, 5 miles down the road would still be in the fenced area...

GMMAT 08-07-2008 09:03 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
Running a successful High Fence Operation is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
Double standard, perhaps?

Doegirl75 08-07-2008 09:03 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
My hog hunt last July was at a high fenced operation. By far, the most physically strenuous (and dangerous) hunt I've been on. I really think how each operation is run will determine the quality or "sportiness" (is that a word?) of ahunt. Some operations are geared solely for getting an animal on the ground-and money out of your wallet. Luckily, there are a precious few that aren't like that. Just got to do your homework, research, and not waste precious money and vacation days.

Doegirl75 08-07-2008 09:09 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Running a successful High Fence Operation is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
Double standard, perhaps?
No, spot on. Buying the animals and their upkeep, property/habitat management, complying with local and state laws,and insurance are just a few things that come to mind.

brucelanthier 08-07-2008 09:13 AM
RE: Time to see...
 
ORIGINAL: Schultzy

ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

ORIGINAL: Schultzy

What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the country and hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?
Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.
But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?
It would be tough Bruce. Bear just aren't very patternable and can be very nocturnal. I've talked with a ton of deer hunters that hunt in Northern Minnesota where the bear population is and allot or most of these deer hunters have never ever seen a bear while sitting on there deer stand. Minnesota has a very thick big woods. If it was more open country, mountain country, bait would not be a factor. One could spot and stalk then. Baiting has to be done here to shoot bear, there's no way around it. I wouldn't BS you Bruce. If we didn't need to bait to shoot bear in Mn I wouldn't use it. Baiting bear is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
I have no doubts that bear hunting with bait is a ton of work and I would not think to criticize it or any other form of legal hunting. But, you do see my point in that if you fenced in 5000 acres where you hunt bears it still wouldn't be any easier to hunt them. So, using that same logic, it doesn't seem to me that a 5000 acres fenced in area would necessarily make it any easier to hunt other animals. See where I am coming from?


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