nctaxi.......your missing a very big point. PA, especially SE PA where these guys are from, is not over populated. They just dont have anywhere to go. So we should shoot em off, because they have ticks that carry lime? or they are doing some damage to someone plants, or they are eating the crops at the farms? SE PA isnt the farm area it once was. So the farm crop damage defense is limited IMO. PA doesnt have the deer it once did. So my thinking is, these guys are killing, exterminating, hunting if you must say, out of season, and if you read the website its telling you they do so bc deer carry ticks with lime. they do damage to your plants. they are harmful to your car and will raise your car insurance when you hit one. Well sh*t if we agree with these reasons lets kill them all. These guys kill them when and where they are "hired."If you agree with this,lets shoot all deer till they are gone. Then we can all go to the video range eat bologne sandwiches and shoot fake deer. Sound good?!

Maybe these guys should move to your part of the woods and help you guys out down there. We dont need it here in SE PA.

In fairness I didn't read the entire website.You are going to know your area better than any of us.If they are securing depredation permits and over killing than thats another story.I am sure they have to comply with all the game laws and stay within the boundaries of the legally required permits.
If you say they are going to far,I respect that.

PA - I guess you missed my point, too. If you can get a depredation permit, which has to be done by a CO then there is a problem. I am not saying that where you are there is a problem but maybe where they are there is. IDK because I am not there, but here GMMAT has a overpopluation of deer and 5 miles away where I hunt it isn't. I also don't believe in the hype about ticks, lime disease, car wrecks, scare tactics, etc. I think that they are offering a service that some may buy into but how is this effecting you? Are they taking land away from you? Are they hunting your land? If not, what's the big deal. They will scare the deer outta the land they are hunting and they will go somewhere else. As stated earlier GMMAT hunts land 5 miles from me and if he killed every deer where he hunts, it doesn't effect me. You seem to have a burr under your saddle about this, that I don't understand. If it doesn't effect you and is legal, why are your so upset. It's legal, that is all you can say about it, if not call them in. People here in NC bait, I don't but you don't hear me protesting about it.

I don't know anything about SE pa, all I do know is if I lived their you cannot practice any kind of deer management because the one you let walk to grow probably isn't going to make it to grow.If these groups are exterminating on land that borders my land or bordersland that I hunt I am probably going to have a problem with it. legal or not.

My gripe with it is simple. We dont have the deer to warrant this so called organization. If we had the over population to warrant it. Then I wouldnt be on here pitchin a stink. The simple fact that they use scare tactics which is a joke, in order to give them more hunting periods is my problem. If they like to hunt, do it ethically and the proper way like the rest of us. Dont feed people trash about them being over populated and doing damage, when they know damn well right they arent. Anyone who hunts PA anymore knows the deer population isntan over populationproblem.Its the opposite.I havent been able to come to grips with the fact that many of farms in SE PA that I used to hunt are now housing developments for the people spreading out from Philly. The deer have no where to go. But this does not mean they are over populated, we have less now then we did 20 yrs ago, but we have even less land for them to occupy. So using the smoke and whistles to convince people they have a deer problem, is my problem with the whole situation. I'd prefer them come right out and say, hey im lazy I dont want to scout, I dont want to go get permission to hunt areas in season, ill use this BS to try and expand my hunting season and load my freezer and wall. Thats what their website should really say. IMO. Sorry if I got worked up about this, but I am sure anyone else who has grown up hunting an area and seen the changes, and then seen people trying to compound an existing problem that directly effects their own passion, will ruffle up their feathers as well. O well takes all types of people to make the world go around. Ethical and Schematic.(is that even a word? if not should be.)

PA - I am not totally against what you are saying but you can't just call the GC and get a depredation permit, there has to be reasons. Also there may not be as many deer but ,as you stated, they are in tighter areas which causes the density to go through the roof. I have lost hundreds of acres in the past few years due to expansion, so I know where you are coming from, but I have an organization like you. Nothing I can do about it, so I focus on what I can change/ gain access to, etc.

Well thats the other problem. The GC is catching so much flack from all angles they dont know what to do. They are being sued every other month, from granny hitting a deer with her car, to hunters right now sueing them for something to do with deer management issues. Yes they are not making all the right decisions, but I can see they are under constant fire from all angles. I understand your point that they are getting these permits, its a wonder how which is the question you are leading to, which is a very good point. Guess that takes us to the biggest arguement in the state right now. Hunters are demanding change, bc the Hunters believe they know more about their deer then the GC does....which I believe they do at this point. Just my opinion. I am fortunate enough to know these people will never hunt land I own. But now its another worry we have to constantly be on the look out for how close are they coming you know?

they really think they're the greatest people around. haha thats the dumbest thing. i hunt at a ladies house for the same reasons. she hit a deer with her car, they are always eating her new plants and flowers, and they are always tearing up the yard. but i dont mind hunting for her for free.

Then your issue lieswith your GC.

Well said. If there isn't a legitimate "need" (that your GC has to sign off on and recognize).....then this is a moot point.

Don't hate 'em because they've found a niche', though. Remember....somebody's going to contract with these people. Somebody feels like they have a need for their services.

And again....your GC has to OK ANYTHING outside the paramters of your normal game laws.

I think your anger is displaced.

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Well said. If there isn't a legitimate "need" (that your GC has to sign off on and recognize).....then this is a moot point.

I wonder how hard it is for them to get the GC to sign off on with their resume and connections