Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
08-04-2008 | 01:28 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
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no ....... he is straight ......[8D]
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Hey bucko! We share the same father and I'm telling on ya.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
mez, I think honestly he was being fecicious.
mez, I think honestly he was being fecicious.
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Hey bucko! We share the same father and I'm telling on ya.
08-04-2008 | 01:34 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
mez, I think honestly he was being fecicious.
ORIGINAL: mez
Motown. The lungs are not connected to the thoracic wall. They are held next to the wall by surface tension. The only way they are connected is if the deer has had some sort of thoracic disease and or insult and scar tissue forms between the lung and chest wall.
The lungs are in a confined space and everthing moves in concert. They never lose contact with the body wall unless there is fluid or air within the chest cavity.
Motown. The lungs are not connected to the thoracic wall. They are held next to the wall by surface tension. The only way they are connected is if the deer has had some sort of thoracic disease and or insult and scar tissue forms between the lung and chest wall.
The lungs are in a confined space and everthing moves in concert. They never lose contact with the body wall unless there is fluid or air within the chest cavity.
My bad.
08-04-2008 | 01:35 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
ORIGINAL: PABowhunter4life
I've done plenty of research honestly and I prefer to listen to doctors and experts as opposed to people that are just trying to protect their egos.
No harm, no foul though..... we can agree to disagree!
I've done plenty of research honestly and I prefer to listen to doctors and experts as opposed to people that are just trying to protect their egos.
No harm, no foul though..... we can agree to disagree!
Careful, you just may never know who is involved in these threads.
08-04-2008 | 01:44 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
I've done plenty of research honestly and I prefer to listen to doctors and experts as opposed to people that are just trying to protect their egos.
08-04-2008 | 01:51 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
Again, are my posts invisible, bueller....bueller.....
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And I did coin it, honestly. [8D] [8D]
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ORIGINAL: PABowhunter4life
Some of you need to search for the autopsy pictures that they showed of a doe on Deer & Deer Hunting last season. When the lungs are filled with air there is absolutely no space between the spine and the lungs no matter how many people want to believe there is. Hit above the spine and the deer lives because there is a little bit of play there. However, if you hit below the spine the deer is dead.... period. Whenever I hear "I hit the void" it falls right in to the BS category with the stories that go "I hit a deer perfect but after 5000 yards of trailing we lost blood and never found the deer".
As for going through the shoulders and not finding them, that is simply a shot that is too far forward and too high; that has nothing to do with the void.
ORIGINAL: PABowhunter4life
Some of you need to search for the autopsy pictures that they showed of a doe on Deer & Deer Hunting last season. When the lungs are filled with air there is absolutely no space between the spine and the lungs no matter how many people want to believe there is. Hit above the spine and the deer lives because there is a little bit of play there. However, if you hit below the spine the deer is dead.... period. Whenever I hear "I hit the void" it falls right in to the BS category with the stories that go "I hit a deer perfect but after 5000 yards of trailing we lost blood and never found the deer".
As for going through the shoulders and not finding them, that is simply a shot that is too far forward and too high; that has nothing to do with the void.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Not so my friend, not so.....I'm assuming you didn't read the entire thread, which I do not blame you however it would have aided in your discussion. In either Tracking Dogs for Finding Wounded Deer or Heart and Blood, living with deer in America I forget which now there is a picture of a lung with scare tissue in the shape of a broadhead. This doe was shot at least in one lung and lived, scared and healed.
There are no absolutes in deer hunting.
Not so my friend, not so.....I'm assuming you didn't read the entire thread, which I do not blame you however it would have aided in your discussion. In either Tracking Dogs for Finding Wounded Deer or Heart and Blood, living with deer in America I forget which now there is a picture of a lung with scare tissue in the shape of a broadhead. This doe was shot at least in one lung and lived, scared and healed.
There are no absolutes in deer hunting.
And I did coin it, honestly. [8D] [8D]
08-04-2008 | 01:53 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Again, are my posts invisible, bueller....bueller.....
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And I did coin it, honestly. [8D] [8D]
Again, are my posts invisible, bueller....bueller.....
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ORIGINAL: PABowhunter4life
Some of you need to search for the autopsy pictures that they showed of a doe on Deer & Deer Hunting last season. When the lungs are filled with air there is absolutely no space between the spine and the lungs no matter how many people want to believe there is. Hit above the spine and the deer lives because there is a little bit of play there. However, if you hit below the spine the deer is dead.... period. Whenever I hear "I hit the void" it falls right in to the BS category with the stories that go "I hit a deer perfect but after 5000 yards of trailing we lost blood and never found the deer".
As for going through the shoulders and not finding them, that is simply a shot that is too far forward and too high; that has nothing to do with the void.
ORIGINAL: PABowhunter4life
Some of you need to search for the autopsy pictures that they showed of a doe on Deer & Deer Hunting last season. When the lungs are filled with air there is absolutely no space between the spine and the lungs no matter how many people want to believe there is. Hit above the spine and the deer lives because there is a little bit of play there. However, if you hit below the spine the deer is dead.... period. Whenever I hear "I hit the void" it falls right in to the BS category with the stories that go "I hit a deer perfect but after 5000 yards of trailing we lost blood and never found the deer".
As for going through the shoulders and not finding them, that is simply a shot that is too far forward and too high; that has nothing to do with the void.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Not so my friend, not so.....I'm assuming you didn't read the entire thread, which I do not blame you however it would have aided in your discussion. In either Tracking Dogs for Finding Wounded Deer or Heart and Blood, living with deer in America I forget which now there is a picture of a lung with scare tissue in the shape of a broadhead. This doe was shot at least in one lung and lived, scared and healed.
There are no absolutes in deer hunting.
Not so my friend, not so.....I'm assuming you didn't read the entire thread, which I do not blame you however it would have aided in your discussion. In either Tracking Dogs for Finding Wounded Deer or Heart and Blood, living with deer in America I forget which now there is a picture of a lung with scare tissue in the shape of a broadhead. This doe was shot at least in one lung and lived, scared and healed.
There are no absolutes in deer hunting.
And I did coin it, honestly. [8D] [8D]
08-04-2008 | 01:57 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
No offense, ROb.....but you're not a doctor....or a bio......
You're just a former mullet wearer.
Hey PA.....Nothing to do with my ego.....but you heard (look up) from another authority....
Like I said....you're not arguing with me.
You're just a former mullet wearer.
I've done plenty of research honestly and I prefer to listen to doctors and experts as opposed to people that are just trying to protect their egos.
) from another authority....Like I said....you're not arguing with me.
08-04-2008 | 02:16 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
Folks, there is NO EMPTY spot. You hit above the backbone you draw blood and it'll peter out. If you just skin under the spine you might nick a lung and the deer survive. There is NO EMPTY, VOID spot. I saw the shot and said you missed girl. She was all ranting about I got him and I said, no you didn't and flipped the channel. I should have stuck around to here Yahoo Keiths explanation. He's all Dweebe.
08-04-2008 | 02:36 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
I posted the following in a previous thread a while back and didn't feel like typing it all again. Everyone has their opinion on this subject but I have seen a deer get shot under the spine and live. I have seen trail cam photos of a deer shot under the sping that was living a couple of weeks later and I have seen deer taken a day after they were shot UNDER the spine. I am talking about seeing pictures of the deer showing where he was shot the day before with a bow and where he was shot the following day with a rifle and photos of the inside of the deer when he was gutted. Call in an anomoly or a freak of nature or whatever you want to. Here is the post:
A couple of years back I had a buddy that went down to Texas and shot a buck with his bow. They called in a tracker with a dog but still lost the deer. They let him continue his hunt with his rifle with the stipulation that he could only shoot the deer that he had wounded. He told the guides that it was a waist of time and that he would just head back home, but the guide bet him $100 that the deer would be back to the peanut field at some point in the next few days. So Bill stayed and hunted. The next afternoon, the buck he shot the day before came back into the same peanut field and he killed it with a rifle. He had shot the deer a couple of inches (4" or so)behind the shoulder and high (right under the spine). The deer was walking around fine the following day when he shot it a second time (with a rifle)and you can clearly see where he hit him the previous day in the photos. I have personally always believed there is in fact a void.My best friendskinned deer at a processor for several years,he says he has seen deer come in on several occaisions with scars from a passthrough in the "void".
08-04-2008 | 02:41 PM
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RE: Anybody watch Keith Warren, today? "No mans Land"/ "Void"
Sorry I am late on this post boys!!!! But Rob is right on this one there is no void!!!! The lungs fill the whole diafram up!!! Now is it possible to hit a deer high and think you went below the spine I believe that is what people think but actually go above the spine. I watched that show and she diffently went above the spine.. Walt