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RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
ORIGINAL: sandilands I've been hunting the Sandilands area in Manitoba for 10yrs now. I have never had a bear walk in front of me while in a stand w/out bait. Although the woods are littered with bears. Where I hunt its the only way to hunt bear. Now with that being said I do know of some people that could have killed bears when they we attacking horses, donkeys, sheep and cattle....... But I'm sure they weren't going to shoot them with archery equipment;). And this only happens when its a BAD yr for berries in the late summer and fall. I guess they could wait at their garbage cans for a bear but that would be baiting too. Sounds to me that in states where there is a 2-3 day season for bear and no baiting allowed........ they just have a season to say that they have a season. Of course your going to have big bears as the harvest rates are low and bears are allowed to grow b/c of it. I can tell you we have BIG bears here too and we are allowed to bait. We have big bears b/c there allot of them. Baiting bears is half the fun of the bear hunt. Mind you its allot of work but FUN. When your bait is finally hit you know it! And then you get to figure out if there is one big enuf to kill. I hope some day I get to spend an entire season doing my own baiting. That definitely would be an expense and a lot of hard work, but I would Look forward to the opportunity. Dan |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
Sounds to me that in states where there is a 2-3 day season for bear and no baiting allowed........ they just have a season to say that they have a season. Of course your going to have big bears as the harvest rates are low and bears are allowed to grow b/c of it. We have big bears b/c there allot of them. Thats why your statement kinda puzzles me. |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT The double standard, I think, Sliver.....is when you throw the word "hunt" in there. We (NC residents - where baiting deer IS legal) hear it all the time from people who oppose the practice. They feel like it takes the "hunt" out of hunting for the animals. I don't have an opinion, either way, I just don't employ the practice. I think it would be interesting, though, to hear a man from VA (or any non-baiting state)and a man from WI (or any baiting state or province)discuss the difference in their respective methods of "hunting" bears. From a state that does allow deer baiting....we hear the "it ain't huntin'" arguments all the time to describe the practice. I'm wondering what theNC bear hunter thinks about your bear hunting methods? Or...if HE thinks there's a "double standard". No one in Mich cares what the bear hunter from NC or VA thinks sincethey dont know squat about what Mich needs as far as managing our bears. As far asthem thinking baiting is not hunting,they aremore than welcome to come trytheir luck spot and stalk in Mi. Just curious, does NC and VA allow dogs. And what are the successful hunters % rate? |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
No one in Mich cares what the bear hunter from NC or VA thinks Just curious, does NC and VA allow dogs. And what are the successful hunters % rate? |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker Its a Common Sense thing, not a double standard. Several things are taken into consideration when laws are made on bag limits and method of hunting etc. The very first thing I would like to point out is a Bear is not a Deer, suresome will take it as an insult because they can tell them apart, but its quite obvious thats where their knowledge on the 2 ends. I have never used Bait for a deer, no reason to, they are patternable, have a relatively small home range, high in numbers (compared to Bears)and for the most part are not nocturnal, however I am glad to have the option to bait Bears for the opposite reasons. Without writing a book, estimated number of said animal to be hunted per State, quota of animal to be harvested and maintain healthy manageable population per State, terrain per State, patternability of said animal per State, etc...etc... etc! Its a common sense thing! Spot and stalk is just about impossible in a thick big woods environment. It could easily be done in a corn or oats field but there's not to many of them around in certain areas. They also don't hit these fields until a certain stage in the growing of the corn and oats. After the oats and corn are fully matured bear usually won't touch them nearly as much if any at all. If someone was to just sit on a trail in the woods and hope to see a bear coming down it, good luck to that fellar! You don't see just "bear trails" in the woods so one never knows what you'll see when sitting on a trail. As sandiland stated he could sit on a trail forever and never see a bear. He hunts in a region where the population is unbelievable. He's not BSing no one, its the damn truth. Baiting deer isn't a necessity to kill one, you don't have to do it to be successful, thats common fricking sense! Baiting a bear is some parts of the world is a necessity and needs to be done to be successful or there would be bear problems everywhere. Here's some stats on Minnesota's success rate on getting bear. All weapons are in this stat. Minnesota's bear population is approximately 30,000 bear. Edited the bear population in Mn. Brain fart!![8D] 1986- 37% 1987- 28% 1988- 30% 1989- 35% 1990- 36% 1991- 30% 1992- 40% 1993- 35% 1994- 26% 1995- 43% 1996- 16% 1997- 31% 1998- 28% 1999- 23% 2000- 23% 2001- 29% 2002- 14% 2003- 26% 2004- 26% 2005- 26% 2006- 26% 2007- 28% GMMAT, How many bear does your state have? 3,000 to 5,000? I'm guessing you can use dogs as well as long as it isn't in a sanctuary. |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
Wow, some people really need to stop posting and start reading. Threads like this, that can be very informative, turn into arguments. I'm kinda glad this will be my last day on here for the next week[&:]
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RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
Wow, some people really need to stop posting and start reading. Threads like this, that can be very informative, turn into arguments. I'm kinda glad this will be my last day on here for the next week |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT No one in Mich cares what the bear hunter from NC or VA thinks Just curious, does NC and VA allow dogs. And what are the successful hunters % rate? Well why in the hell would theylet dogs run Bear in one part of the State and not the other. But then, Im sure it has somthing to do withthe explanation in my first post. And it is relevant to the fact I explained in my first post that zipped over your head. Go back and read it. |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
ORIGINAL: Schultzy Wow, some people really need to stop posting and start reading. Threads like this, that can be very informative, turn into arguments. I'm kinda glad this will be my last day on here for the next week |
RE: Bear Baiting, a "Double Standard"?
I'm going to be on vacation. |
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