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Premise is compound bow.....pins set at 20, 30, 40 and 50 yds.

Shot #1 - 2 yds at a broadside target.

Shot #2 - ZERO yds at a deer, broadside, directly beneath you.

Which pin do you use (to hit your "spot")for each shot? Remember topick asmall "spot";)

**Edit - If you choose to use (to aim with)the arrow, your riser, a curling iron welded to your riser, a boar's hair dangling from your site OR any other method.....and it works, for YOU.....you are fully aware of your own abilities.....you are NOT a dumbass.....and you are quite possibly the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Kind of depends onhow far the peep is from the nocking pointbut either 40 or 50.

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Shot #1 - 2 yds at a broadside target.

I use my 20 yard pin, aim at the lower 1/3rd of the deer, or more specifically, the lower 3 inches. The arrow will rise and strike sweet.

Shot #2 - ZERO yds at a deer, broadside, directly beneath you.

I do not shoot.

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I said "IF" in the thread header, VA.....for shot No. 2.

And your answer to No. 1 is why I made this thread.....and why I commented on your post in the other thread.

That logic is flawed. No offense intended.....it just is.

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Bulls I learned that one the hard way several years back at a Fred Bear 3D shoot...:D

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The logic may be flawed, but my results speak for themselves. I aim just like I described in my post above and the results have been well placed shots with dead deer.

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I haven't practice either of those shots with my new bow but my thinking is you would use the same pin for both shots...40 yard.

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Gmmat im sure virginia isn't feeding you false information for nothing im sure he has used this himself and had success. It may be wrong in your books but hey it works for him im sure.

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Sorry we posted at the same time i guess vrginia:D

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Brett:

Please don't take this personally (trust me)....as it was intended to teach a lesson (to maybe others who don't understand the 'physics' of this)I learned just about a year ago (shooting targets). I am SURE your results speak for themselves. Never questioned that, at all.

That out of the way......the logic is flawed.

Never crossed my mind. Brett is successful AND a friend.;)

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The one thing I think I can take from this post is that maybe for all of these years, of me working on my own bows, "aligning" everything that for some reason my bow set-up is horrible. That really may be an issue for me as I never had anyone to teach me these things. One thing is for sure, most of the time, whatever I shoot at, gets killed. I am glad you posted this GMMAT, as I am taking my bow in to get restrung and tuned up by a pro in the next couple of weeks. And no hard feelings, I appreciate your honesty.

Brett

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For shot #1, I woulduse my 50 yard pin. Shot #2 has me a bit confused. If the deer is directly beneath you AND broadside, he is probably laying down on his side. I would wait til he get up from his bed and moves out a few yards. :D Kidding aside, I don't take shot #2.

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First, that's a no shot situation...You don't have a good angle for the vitals...

Now, with a scoped rifle, the cross hairs are about 1 1/2 inches above the line of bore, so at that range the bullet will hit 1 1/2 inches below the cross hairs at such a range...

A bow is the same way...Your 20 yard pin could be 3 inches above the center line of the rest, so you
will hit low using the 20 yard pin...

At point blank range, use your lowest pin or the one closest to the rest...

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IF I were to take those (both are too close for my real life liking)

Shot #1 I don’t know which pin it is, I know as a “top pin holdover” scheme. Its about 4-5” at 2 yds(or at least it was for my old bow, I haven’t determined my new bow’s situation)

Shot #2 I’d probably skip the pins altogether and sight down the shaft of my arrow.

At an extremely close range, I cannot see how the physics of the situation would allow for aiming low.

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It's got nothing to do with your setup, Brett.

Predator.....In "broadside" for No. 1....I mean he is standing Left-to-right.....not North-to-South.

nc....I agree on the no shot situations.....But I DID say "IF" you were gonna take the shots. That being said.....you are spot-on with the rest of your post.;)

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I wouldn't take either one whether it be compound or recurve.

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So you have killed deer at 2 yards aiming low with your top pin?

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If it has nothing to do with my set-up, then why have my results been good using the aiming points I have described?

Is it my eyes? I do not use a peep sight. I am not sure.

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I was talking about #2.

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The premise for this is compound bow shots.

Although I'd take neither with my compound (ethics).....I'd take the first one in a HEARTBEAT with my longbow.;)

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Predator, yes. I killed a nice buck this year at about 6-7 yards using that aiming point. Hit right on the mark, he went off 35 yards and died. I used the same thing on a doe I killed two years ago at 10 yards, just aimed a little low, it hit right on the mark, she ran 25 yards and died.

I MUST be doing something wrong.

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I was too, Predator, SORRY!:D

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Are you in a elevated stand in both scenarios?

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I'd "guess" margin for error.

When I say a spot....I mean a TINY SPOT. Think center 12 ring on a 3D animal.

Brett:

When you get to those yardages.....it muddies.;)

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10yds is A LOT different than 2yds.

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Shot # 2 would result in you pinning your foot to your tree stand with a well placed broad head. [:o]Penetration would depend on if you were shooting a mechanical broad head.[:-]

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I second that question. If I were on the ground I would absolutely love a 2 yard shot... LOVE IT!!! From a stand I would take a 2 yard shot depending on what stand I was in. If I was in a 15' ladder stand I would take it. 24' up, no I wouldn't.

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I also shot and killed another buck this year, a 6 pointer at 5 yards. I used the same aiming point. The shot hit true, he ran 20 yards, laid down and died.

As you can see, I have made alot of bow shots at short distances just in the last few years. That is why I am trying to figure this whole thing out. I really must not perceive this shot the same way that most people do. "if it ain't broke, why fix it?"

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For the exercise.....we'll call it a 15' stand. But as long as you're above the deer (any distance above 5').....it's a straight down shot.

Nothing ethics, here......"IF" you were gonna take the shot.

So....which pin(s) do you use?

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You arent doing anything wrong if you are killing deer. I think the whole point is that everybody needs to know what there arrow will do at any given distance. Some setups may be different. If i have a 2 yard shot out of a blind at a nice buck, I may just grab hold of my arrow and use it as a javelin.

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Thanks for posting that Jim.;) We both got our answer.

Jeff I see you said you would deffinetly be taking that shot with your longbow. Thats a tough shot, specially for someone who hasn't hunted with Trad equipment. If I was you I'd be waiting on a different and better oppertunity 1st before something bad goes on. Get broke in before you start taking tough shots. No need to start off on the wrong foot.

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Va shadow
2 yds to 6-10 yds which were your actual shots is a MILE of difference, and changes EVERYTHING. Can't compare for most people.

Shultzy, Jeff is a little sneaky with his longbow shot choice comment, ;)as I believe he is only hunting from the ground with it. Caught me off guard too, until I remembered that tidbit.

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Rybo. Not "sneaky"......just figured No. 1 would be construed as being off the ground.....since there was no mention of elevation.

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So you aim high on shots at 2-3 yards, then everything changes when it gets out to 6-10...then where do you aim?

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VA....You'd have to practice them to know.

I KNEW on my 3D setup.....that I needed to shoot my 50 yd pin to hit where I was aiming at 2yds. Like I said....it muddies beyond that.

Your arrow is below your sight pins (__________) much. It doesn't have time to "rise" (or give the appearance of such) at 2 yds.

Same thing for the straight down shot.

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I thought I read he said 15' up. Whatever I guess, if it was from the ground I'd be slinging arrows too.;)

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I do practice all my shots from close up all the way out to 30 yards with my current bow. I aim 3-4 inches low at 5 yards, aim 1-2 at 10, dead on at 20 with my 20. Weird. It seems like I am in the lone minority when it comes to this....I must not be grasping something that most bow shooters know.

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As I stated before for my old bow, in tight out to about 4 yds, I had to aim high. around 5-6 yds I was dead on, then as I got out to 10 I needed to aim low, but as I get closer and closer to 17-18 yds, aiming low not as much, dead on at my 17.18 yds mark.


You arrow starts out anywhere from 3-5" below your pins depending on anchor, size of your face, & bow setup. When your arrow comes off the rest it is aimed slightly upwards to reach your line of sight. So for VERY close shots, your arrow is still rising,(hence aiming high) then it crosses line of sight(dead on) continues to rise(how much depends on speed etc) then starts dropping until its dead on again(20 yds for most people). And then continues to fall as it flies on out 30,40 50 etc.

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"You arrow starts out anywhere from 3-5" below your pins depending on anchor, size of your face, & bow setup. When your arrow comes off the rest it is aimed slightly upwards to reach your line of sight. So for VERY close shots, your arrow is still rising,(hence aiming high) then it crosses line of sight(dead on) continues to rise(how much depends on speed etc) then starts dropping until its dead on again(20 yds for most people)."

This is why I think that things are different for me. Like I said previously, I have always set up my own bows, basically by trial and error. I think I have a set-up problem that is making things a little different for me. I am going to go out and look at my bow and see if things appear this way on my bow. I probably have a bad set-up.

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This is kind of interesting to me because since 1992 I have had to qualify to hunt the military bases in my area. Every year without fail there is a target direcly under the platform or within 3 yards. I have never ever compensated foritat all. I draw my bow at horizontal like I am shooting downrange on a normal shotthen pivot the T (my shoulders/spine) down and sometimes flex or bend my frontknee a little(almost like I am shooting straight down past my left foot)to get on target with my top pin. It is a 3 target qualifier with 2 shots per target (if needed) and in 15 years I have shot 45 shots meaning I have killed that deer every time.

That's not to say I hit the exact arrow hole I aimed at but I can never remember being evenclose to off target. I qualify again this year on August 7th, I'll pay a little more attention to the exact details on my POI compared to POA.

Realistically at those ranges in real lifeI might not even use a pin. I practice often with no pins out to 20 yards and no release too, just in case I had something break or if I lost or forgot my release. With my recurve from a stand I'm not taking either shotunless it was a follow-up.