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Someone must have learnt' somthin' at the 3-d range;)yuk yuk..

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It does depend on where you anchor. For some the straight down may be a 30 others a 40. I've practiced it enough I just hold off with the 20. Broadside at two yard from the ground... I just draw and shoot. It's a feel thingy.:D My closest was 7 feet... no aiming needed, for me anyway. It's instinct.After the first 30 years or so of bowhunting you'd be surprised at how good you can be just drawing and feeling the tug against you and knowing what the arrow will do. At that point is draw shoot out for some distance. If I did it all the time I'd get rid of the damnpins.

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If the deer is directly beneath you and you are going to shoot straight down. Why would it matter if it was broadside or not. Wouldn't it be the same shot?

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I said that so people would know the deer was facing Left-right i.l.o. North-South. North-South gives you a larger (mentally) margin for error. Boradside (i.e. left-right) makes you pick a side of the spine and fire.

I set it up exactly how I intended....to get the answer I was looking for.

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Wouldn't you have to pick a side of the spine (unless you were aiming directly at the spine) whether he was facing directly away, directly at your tree, to the left or to the right as long as he was standing directly under you?

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OK Bob.....I'll play your game.....

If you pick a side of the spine (him facing N-S)...then it wouldn't matter WHICH pin you chose, really (speaking in terms of trying to illustrate my point). We're only talking about 3-4 inches off, here, anyways. So......you hit 3-4 inches further back. If the scenario is how I described it.....those 3-4 inches mean a LOT more.

Like I said....I set it up exactly how I wanted to to get the answers I was looking for.;)

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Actually Jeff I was just asking a question.

Wasn'tthinking about pins.The correction part I appreciate. The way you go about is a little iffy.

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Then this threaddidn't concern trad gear........and I don't understand the questioning. I think I said in the opener the premise was compound bows.....and I made mention of the pins.

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Sure, easy answer. My question as originaly asked pertained to the deer position, nothing more. I misunderstood the pin portion as mentioned. ;)

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I'm with you on that one! 2 yards I put 20 yard pin on the white of the belly and deer is dead! Personally i would let the deer distance itself! Shot number 2 directly beneath you I do not take!!

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I wouldn't use my pins.

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x2. from that close i can shoot instinctive.

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I find that interesting. Do you practice instinctive shooting?

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Yes, with both my compound, and long bow.

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Cool... But I wouldn't mention tradition equipment on this topic if I were you. :D

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You can mention trad shooting all you want to on this thread. But if you do so and pick apart the premise of the entire thread in doing so (compounds and pins).......you'll only make yourself sound like a dumbass.[8D]

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not every practice session, but enough to where i can hit where i want to out to about 10 yards.

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So is not using pins, which are on your bow, at these ranges where you should never shoot at a deer anyway, a dumbass move?

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Thats good practice there Rory and Kyle. I use to do the same thing when I shot compounds as well.

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I get it Jeff, I made a mistake. I admit it. Was thiking more about the deers positions then pins. Thanks for reminding me for the forth time.........................:D

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It wasn't one of the choices. I asked you which pin you'd use (and assumed that was what everyone would do).

I like the practice, personally. Sounds like a sound alternative......"IF" you're gonna take one of these shots. It's AS effective as knowing which pin to use, for sure.

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Whats wrong with you man??[:@] Bob is trying to understand your logic and nothing else.

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question: Which pin would you use?

Answer: I wouldn't use one!



it should be a choice, because technically you can use no pins, fist pin, second pin, all the way to you're fifteenth pin

Me too;)

I practice not using a pin under 20 yards, my first pin. I will shoot a deer at 10-25 yards with my 20 yard pin. Anything under, down the shaft say.................. "IF" I was to shoot...

different strokes. A dumbass, well sometimes...just not "this" time.

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Pretty simple concept....

If you use your 20 yd pin (accurate at 20yds) and aim for a spot from 2 yds with your compound,.....with a broadside target.....(from the ground;)).....you WILL hit LOW.

We're on page 7.

But it wasnt. You can use a spot on your riser....but I didn't list that, either. Kudos for your method....and I never called you or eluded ot you being a dumbass (or anyone else).

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I must say I have never tried my 50 yard mark but we do shoot the straight down shot while we practice on our thursday night shoots. I have always just used my 20 yard pin and aimed about 2 inchs low and have always hit my mark, but I will try your way once just to see.. Walt

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So you use what? You're 40 yard pin? I use my arrow shaft. What is the difference, besides preference?

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No offense....but that makes no sense.

Of course....I don't know how big your mark is, either;)

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If it'll make you feel better, Kyle......I'll go back and add a choice for "arrow shaft".;)

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I'll only feel better if you add "No Pins" because you asked what pin I'd use, I want to follow you're premise...it's not my thread;)

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1) No pins needed at six feet as I have practiced a bit instinctive. I have faith in my abilities to do so out to about 15 yards in case I were to suddenly break my site or loose my peep in the course of a hunt. I probably will never use it on a deer (I shot a coyote instinctively once) but who knows. Edit: If I were to use my pins my arrow would hit perhaps 2" below my 20 yard pin. Some of you guys must have some weird pin/peep configurations.


2) I have never practiced a strait down shot so I would rather not start now.


What is this, national PMS week? Simmer people! Get outside this weekend:D

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Amended for you, Kyle;)

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Premise is compound bow.....pins set at 20, 30, 40 and 50 yds.

Shot #1 - 2 yds at a broadside target.

Shot #2 - ZERO yds at a deer, broadside, directly beneath you.

Which pin do you use (to hit your "spot")for each shot? Remember topick asmall "spot";)

**Edit - If you choose to use (to aim with)the arrow, your riser, a curling iron welded to your riser, a boar's hair dangling from your site OR any other method.....and it works, for YOU.....you are fully aware of your own abilities.....you are NOT a dumbass.....and you are quite possibly the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Is this a trick question, ya know the kind with no answer???:D:D:D If your 15' up a tree its impossible for a deer to be at zero yards, right? :eek::D

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In a horizontal, linear measurement.......how far away from your platform is he?

How do you sight in your bow (again....assuming we're talking compounds)?;)

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I actually do qualify as a dumbass on this thread because when I responded earlierI stated I brought my top pin to the target and since I only have 1 pin(adjustable sight) none of this really applied to me. I have always thought it important to know where your pins hit at different ranges though, like mine, I hunt with it set at 20 yards but have had to shoot deer closer and farther without being able to adjust.

On a side note at 2 yards I would probablyrecommend using athrowing knife to prevent pin confusion. ;)

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This really is not all that special.

It's a simple geometry lesson.

Get a ruler and a pencil and a piece of paper and draw the lines for yourself. Nothing earth-shattering here.

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If you can teach me geometry, THAT will be earth shattering.

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:D:D:D
Right...... I would just reach out and shove the arrow thru his lungs! No pins needed!

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You should know that for some that is a bit too much effort[&:]

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Hey!! We agree!

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If you can teach me geometry, THAT will be earth shattering.
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Now that there is funny right there!!!

I still remember my Geometry teacher and the short skirts she wore (back in the 70s)....:D