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I recorded all of the recent entries from the summer P&Y news letter for whitetails from each state and province to see how many were entered from the following states, provinces. All categories are included- Typical, Typical Velvet, Non Typical, Non Typical Velvet. I was surprised by a few of the states. Some had allot more then I figured and some didn't have as many as I would of thought. These are recently measured bucks that are being entered.

Most to the least

1.Wisconsin-248
2.Illinois-178
3.Iowa-158
4.Indiana-99
5.Ohio-90
6.Kansas-78
7.Minnesota-67
8.Texas-55
9.Missouri-48
10.Michigan-44
11.Nebraska-40
12.PA-34
13.New York-32
14.North Dakota-31
15.South Dakota-30
16.Kentucky-30
17.West Virginia-23
18.Georgia-18
19.Arizona-15
20.Mississippi-14
21.New Jersey-13
22.Washington-12
23.North Carlina-10
24.Oklahoma-10
25.Montana-8
26.Alberta-8
27.Tennessee-7
28.Idaho-6
29.Colorado-5
30.Massachusetts-5
31.Saskatchewan-5
32.Virginia-4
33.Connecticut-4
34.Louisiana-3
35.Ontario-3
36.Manitoba-2
37.British Columbia-2
38.Delaware-2
39.Wyoming-2
40.Vermont-1
41.Quebec-1
42.Rhode Island-1

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PA beat Nebraska:D
MI Beat KY[8D]

NC beat Saskatchewan[&:]

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Wisconsin beat all.:D

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Now that is some fine work.... I can appreciate how long that took for you to put together!

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Thanks Scott! A good couple of hours it took. Years ago I did this and went through the whole P&Y book. Thats just a little to much work now.;)

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I was looking at that awhile back when all the N.E. guys were saying there are no big bucks around to kill.:D:DGood work shultzy

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Kudos to you Shed33.....Tell meTroy don't "get it done" year in and year out!

It's easier to kill them when they're there but when their not and you STILL get it done.......Well THAT'S A HUNTER!

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Exactly;)

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It makes mewish I couldknow theratio of P&Y class bucks harvested to those actually entered in P&Y for each state. For instance, I personally know of three P&Y class deer taken last year and none were entered.

There are two ways to make a bigger splash....make the fish bigger, or make the pond smaller.

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Did you do this same thing last year? I am curious to see if PA moved up at all. I would assume it did just curious. I thought I saw something like this somewhere last year as well.

Thanks for the info.

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Great job Schultzy!! That stuff is time consuming I'm sure. Just for the record, the onlyreason Alberta only has 8 entries is because nobody (residents) bowhunts up there. They're all gun hunters![:'(]:D:D

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You know what really jumps out at me is the low showing of the Canadian Provences. Maybe I'm missing some information about bowhunting those places, but considering all the big deer that are gun killed there I find the bow kill big bucks lacking. I'm surprised Indiana is so high too. I just told my nephew I didn't want to hunt Indiana this year when I come. I may have to rethink that. LOL It's a bummer to buy a non resisdent license for one day though. We hunt Ohio the week I'm there but the land owner doesn't allow Sunday hunting, even with the bow. We're the only ones(4) that hunt his 2000 acres. Just his thing and we have to obey.

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I have yet to have my buck scored by a registered scorer. I had a lot of people score it at 130", I myself scored it at that too. I could have maybe gave Illinois another one.

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I know PA had one more not entered. And MD had one not entered. I know this bc they are in my freezer at the Taxidermist being prepared for my wall. Never really got into the entering them.

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Good job schultzy I wish we knew how many of those Wi were on public lands because I would put it at maybe 10%-15%.


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You wouldn't have to worry about that if you lived here.

Mr. Pope would resurrect and help you drag and gut it.

Man caught a 4' gator the other day out of a farm pond....and it made the front page of the paper and they broke into the US OPEN with an "on the scene" news crew.

Each time abig buck is arrowed, here.....I think the guys at the horn playboy club allemit a hearty "You're ****tin' me".

Bigfootwould get less press.

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I think it was Germ's buddy Eberhart who stated that the numbers are misleading because in most of those high end mid-west states there are alot more 125"ish bucks that go un-entered because they are simply seen as "Ho hum".The average score of those entered midwest bucks is something like 15" higher than those entered in a state like PA or MI because a 125" is something 'To be proud of" trophy wise if you consider score as a determining factor in the term "Trophy"

By the way Germ I really do like that guy.......his videos rock. I just already employ most of the pre-season scouting techniques he uses although I did pick up some valuable info from him. Like how to be more sneaky. :)
If you don't do basically what he doesin the areaI hunt killing anything becomes blind stupid luck. I don't like blind stupid luck.

And yeah if I could get an official P&Y scorer ruling that my buck WAS scored incorrectly I would get him scored up and entered....because I got robbed! :D

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Opposite in our states, most guys don't enter because they don't want folks to know:D
BTW Ebherhart is on the Ant Xbow side in MI, I don't think were buddies anymore:D

In 2005 4 bucks were entered in my County into CBM. I know 5 that were shot that were not entered;) I take every states number with a + some number added to it.

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This was my thoughts, not sure I wanted anyone to know I shot what where. Would jeopardize my secret spots, but I guess Im selling them lately ;)cheap too haha. I am sure there are many bucks that get hit by cars, die naturally, or just plain dont get entered. Guess we will never really know. But I will make a stand that PA has the most, but we just have the most traffic as well, so most of ours get run over. :(

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It would seem as though there is a disconnect also becaus KY is one of the top 10 states for B&C entries (I think it is actually top 5)

The number of bowhunters in the states would be interesting to see along side this info. If a state has 1000000000000 monster bucks but only 1 bowhunter, the number would still be 1.

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Also Hunters/huntable sq. mi...........

NO idea how many bowhunters we have.....but we killed 83,665 antlered bucks here in '07 (gun and bow). We killed 11,429 DEER via bow. Extrapolating from the total harvest (more bucks than does, AGAIN, BTW.....not including BB's).....we would have taken 1,600 total antlered bucks via archery tackle, total......in the entire state.

Without knowing the number of bowhunters we have, though.....you can't figure the odds of killing a "book" deer.

But using Pa's %-age.....let's say 1/3 of our state's hunters are bowhunters. So we have 100,000 bowhunters.......killing 1,600 antlered bucks. That would make your odds of success on an antlered buck at .016. Citing 10 for the number of "book" entries from our state, last year......Your odds of connecting on a "book" buck would then be .00001

In the eloquent words of one of them dumbass dumb and dumber guys.....

"So you're sayin' there's a chance!":D

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Those listed arenotfor theyear... Those entries are for the summer quarter.

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Thanks Schultzy.A lot of work I am sure to compile this! To truly assess what someones chances are it would be necessary to take the number of P&Y qualifiers of a particular state and the number of archery hunters in a particular state to boil it down to the real deal from a liklihood perspective.
I would venture to guess that there are a few traditional big buck states where a 125 doesn't get a lot of attention and as a result is less apt to be entered.Factor in all the hunters who kill qualifiers and don't enter them and the numbers become even more skewed.
If you have 10,000 licensed archers killing 200 P&Y qualifiers versus 100,000 licensed archers killing 40 P&Y qualifiers,which state are your chances disproportionately higher in?
I know location doesn't matter!:eek:

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There's no telling the numbers that are not entered in the books ! Here where i live in Southeastern Oklahoma you would be surprised at the 140-160 class deer that are taken and not entered scored or even mounted ! I have seen rackes discarded in barns that would make your mouth water !

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I always found stats to be meaningless really.

You can look at them from any angle and come up with an entirely new stance or stat that either helps ones argument and/or destroys someone else's.

Its like when your playing a sport and you have that guy on your team always wanting the score.. cause he just needs to know how much to relax his play or how much to give back in effort if he's down.

Just go out there for the W. Forget what that guy says and play.. and play hard. The whole game.

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It's something to look at, and thanks for putting it together Shultzy. But like has been said. There are tons of deer not entered that are eligible. And tons of nice deer that don't make it because of the SCREWED UP SCORING SYSTEM.

I know a guy who has a buck with 180" of antler on his head, killed with a bow, that will notnet a P & Y score. Not as a typical or a non-typical.

That just ain't right!!!![:'(]

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John... Would love to see a pic of that buck if you have one... Sounds like my kind of buck... All trashy :D

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He said buck... not woman.

(oh i didn't just go there).:D

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+1 I hunt in S.E. Oklahoma and I can verify that. I have seen guys hammer huge deer and they would never think to enter them. I'm sure the same can be said for lots of other states. Hunting is big in Wisconsin and everyone there may dream of entering a big buck in the books. However, where I hunt it is really just for local bragging rights.

Actually, I bet a lot of guys don't even know about pope and young where I hunt.

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Only30 for KY I've killed 7 in 11 yearsdamnI'm good:D:D:D
Seriously, not many bow hunters around here. Most of the bow hunters I meet are from out of state.Out of the ones that do get killed by localsabout 1 out of5are entered.

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I agree. I know there's allot more P&Y bucks shot in Canada then what gets entered. I think allot of there bucks go into a different book that they go by up there.

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You left out South Carolina!:(

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I guarantee people didn't start hunting Illinois because they were bored. They did because of the stats and percentages of big bucks. Stats can be very misleading but not so much for the big entry states. I believe states like ND and SD would have many, many more entries if people knew about there herd. I'm sure the guys who live out in them states are perfectly fine with that!;)

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Only two for Manitoba??[&o]

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Well dang, Scott....my numbers are ALL messed up, then.

I'll amend....

I stated, earlier (For NC)..... But if those figures were only for one quarter.......then I guess we can quadruple our odds!!!!

Look at'em, now!

Your odds of connecting on a "book" buck would then be .00004

I'm telling ya.....I've got my DVR set to record whenever the local news team breaks in with stories.....and all ten entries didn't dissapoint. Got 'em.

Funny thing is....I just found out Jesse Helms died about an hour ago.

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The numbers would be so much higher though if you counted gun bucks. OUr odds in NC are so low because we have a little over a month of bow season and almost 3 of gun season [:@]. You would think that they would eventually learn from other states, but I guess that wont happen. IF only we could give out two buck tags a year, and keep the doe limits, along with some antler restrictions and a shortened (by alot) gun season, then our state would produce more.

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Those numbers are still incorrect.....

You would need the number for the whole year divided by the number of hunters. Your formula is skewed.

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Jeff, what are my odds in KY. 30 P&Y, we'll say 1/3 of the hunters bowhunt, which would be about 100,000.what are the numbers,stroke my ego,tell me how good I am.

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Going by your formula....

300,000 Ohio archers divided by 90 entries= .0003

EDIT

You also added one to many zeros on the right side of your decimal point ;)

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I tell ya what, then, Scott....

Since you've got the horn Bible and I don't......give me last year's figures. I think we're talking semantics, here. It's gonna be kinda puny......dontcha think (the final number)?