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He can say it probably because he's read the scientific data available on how arrows kill, how a body shuts down, how there are not nerve endings except on the surface of an animal etc etc etc. Obviously you don't know any of this. Also obvious, you've probably never cut yourself with a broadhead or razor. Obviously you've never been shot, wounded or been hit with shrapnel. The point of entry pretty much goes dead, no feeling for a while. Oh sure, if it's a crappy hit someones going to hurt. But as Arthur states, if the arrow is placed properly, the animal is unconscious within seconds and dead shortly after. You say this is not a Peta question, you sound almost Peta brain yourself. Arthur gave you an answer you didn't like. That's because you don't know the fact. Further more, I doubt you've shot many deer much less watched any die in agony. Arthur doesn't have to leave the forum, he knows. Truth would be better served if you left.

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Science also says that there is no god! One cannot say what something else goes through while dying, unless you have once been that creature. I was never talking specific about the physical pain that an animal goes through while dying there is a whole mental side to it as well. Are you guy's actually arguing that animal has no pain or fear when it is lying there dying? Bottom line is that every animal that experiences death while conscious goes through a very unpleasant experience. Davidmill your so clever how you took what i said and reversed back onto me. How in the world did you come up with that? AMAZING!

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I am having a real hard time figuring out where some of you guys are coming from in your attempts to start something on this post that was not and is not even "there"...I just don't get all the hostility and name calling for NO reason. And you David, for some reason you always come across like the "end game" poster, very judgemental and sometimes just wing negative comments like you actually enjoy trying to be a jerk.

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x2 It makes me feel sorry for some individuals - I hope I dont end up like that. Now back to the original topic - I understand 100%. I dont like to take any life, for any reason. In my world, life is the one thing that is sacred. At the same time, Arthur's original post sums up the logical side for me perfectly. I love to hunt, and the kill is the defining moment of such.

The only argument here is perceived adjendas - for all sides.

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Brett you nailed it there buddy!! Very well said my friend!!!!:) You both have my utmost respect.;)

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My personal feelings: I have no issues killing an animal. I gain no pleasure nor do I feel any remorse, it just is what it is. I will feel bad, and be mad at myself if I mess up and things don’t end with a clean kill. But other than that, I’m just out there to hunt and efficiently kill the animal. That said, it absolutely breaks my heart to see an animal maimed buy a car, or in some other way rendered helpless and put in pain.

Now as far as the mini-debate on here: I feel more along the lines of Arthur & davidmil…(wow that’s a sentence I don’t write very often) ;)
It’s one thing to feel compassion for your quarry which many if not all here do, but, the wording of the post did overly personify the deer, and inaccurately depict what goes on.

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First, I don't post here to gain a "following". Obviously, you and your kind need someone to lead them, so you become part of a "following". Second, I could care less whether my opinion is popular.This thread isn't my opinion. It's a fact. The fact is, you cannot stomach (your words) the actual dying of a deer, but you kill it anyway. But you respect the animal, right? You do it for the thrill of the hunt, right? It's just the dying you find so replusive. I still cannot, and never will, understand how someboby can feel remorse, guilt, or whatever you want to call it when they kill a deer, then go out and do it again. Put the bow down and buy some golf clubs.

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Valor:

Please don't take this as confrontational.....because it isn't. But...that being said.....you don't HAVE to understand it. Hunting is personal. What makes you tick or affects you may not mean a hill of beans, to me.....and vice versa.

That doesn't make anyone "wrong" or anyone "right". We all do this for our own reasons and feel our own set of emotions as we go about it. I don't HAVE to understand yours.

Again....nothing I said was malicious. I hope it isn't taken in that manner.

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Valor, death is certain for everything and there is nothing i can do to prevent it. Like i said before, me putting an arrow through a deers lungs is much more humane than what most beef cattle go through during death. At least i'm not one of those people who eat beef but refuse to go hunting because it is animal cruelty. Me hunting is taking matters into my own hands, instead of letting some wack job in a slaughter house do it for me in a far less humane way. Yeah, it does pain me to see any creature in any kind of pain but death is part of life and i am just playing my role.

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this is a great post,i hate when deer give that last little death grunt or whatever that is but i will never let an animal suffer because thats my duty as a sportsman and as an individuall