Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
07-02-2008 | 11:42 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
Seems to me that a fast arrow would be more forgiving in the field, since distance estimates aren't as critical for a fast arrow...
This is and always has been a matter of bowhunting ethics and I hate to see people using arrow speed as a substitute for good ethics.
07-02-2008 | 12:57 PM
#33
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
ORIGINAL: buckeye
You are leaving out to many equations... Such as unknown yardage, unmarked scoring rings (can't see them from shooting distance) and the choke factor.
To answer the threads question....
I have shot 20 up on a 30 target course (11,10,8,5, scoring)shooting 320 fps. I'd say that is pretty good [8D]
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
You should turn pro.
That group will win EVERY 3D shoot you will ever enter in ANY class.....especially if it tightens up as you move closer.
You should turn pro.
That group will win EVERY 3D shoot you will ever enter in ANY class.....especially if it tightens up as you move closer.To answer the threads question....
I have shot 20 up on a 30 target course (11,10,8,5, scoring)shooting 320 fps. I'd say that is pretty good [8D]
I'm happy with consistent 3'' at 30 yards, so I likely wouldn't win anything, just choke.[&o]
Prior to this bow I was shooting a Katera XL with an arrow speed of 277-279, but I wasn't any more accurate with it.
I paper tune the heck out of my bows and I'm willing to change tip weight, fletching, or shafts to have it right.
07-02-2008 | 01:12 PM
#34
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
There should be no such thing as estimates in the field. There should be no such thing as estimates. If the yardage isn't known, it's a no-shot situation. Use a rangefinder! If you don't want to use a range finder in the heat of the moment, mark off distances around your stand. You know if that deer is halfway between that tree you've got marked at 30 yards and the bush at 40, it's a 35 yard shot. A little closer to the tree, 33 yards. A little closer to the bush, 37 yards. No guessing.
This is and always has been a matter of bowhunting ethics and I hate to see people using arrow speed as a substitute for good ethics.
Seems to me that a fast arrow would be more forgiving in the field, since distance estimates aren't as critical for a fast arrow...
This is and always has been a matter of bowhunting ethics and I hate to see people using arrow speed as a substitute for good ethics.
Do I need to shoot 311? No. But if I can and I'mmore accurate than ever, why not?
What I dislike about "that saying" is the assumption that people who shoot fast arrows are somehow inherently less accurate. You can shoot a slow untuned bow, or a slow mismatched arrow. "That belaboured phrase" is used as a meritless dig.
07-02-2008 | 01:27 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
Arthur p
There should be no such thing as estimates in the field.
And there should be no hunger. No want. No car crashes. No impoliteness. No arrogance.
Obviously, there is.
In the field, there can be any number of reasons why someone would be estimating distance. For instance, if you pull back your bow when a deer goes behind a bush, and you are looking through the peep when he comes where you didn’t expect him and he walking towards you several steps before turning and giving you a good, broadside shot, you might need to estimate. In situations such as this, arrow speed can reduce the effect of a bad estimate, so I would think a faster arrow would be a good thing, other things being equal.
07-02-2008 | 01:34 PM
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
You should turn pro. That group will win EVERY 3D shoot you will ever enter in ANY class.....especially if it tightens up as you move closer.
That being said......I won shoots this year with a bow shooting 330fps and with one shooting 278fps. I don't "think" I was more accurate with one over the other.
You should turn pro.
That group will win EVERY 3D shoot you will ever enter in ANY class.....especially if it tightens up as you move closer.That being said......I won shoots this year with a bow shooting 330fps and with one shooting 278fps. I don't "think" I was more accurate with one over the other.
07-02-2008 | 02:11 PM
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Uhhh... No. ANY hit is better than a miss, and not just everyone has the tuning and/or shooting ability to handle a buttload of speed, so it's true. You can just buck up and deal with it, because I've had to put up with this idiotic "I can do it so everyone else needs to do it my way" nonsense from speed freaks FOR YEARS.
What he said.
Besides what I already mentioned about not everyone having the capabilities needed to handle high speeds...
The faster the arrow is flying, the more perfect the broadhead needs to be. Frankly, most broadheads simply are not up to the challenge of go-fast bows. They have to be mounted perfectly true to the shaft. And you have to go way up the price scale to get carbon arrows that'll handle broadheads at speeds in excess of 300 fps, and even then it's hard to get the broadhead mounted perfectly true to the shaft, because the shafts themselves aren't perfectly true.
Putting together ultra speedy hunting rigs not an endeavor for the faint of heart... or thin of wallet.
Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
... I don't understand why a faster bow if comfortable in all hunting positions is not "hunting" desireable.
Besides what I already mentioned about not everyone having the capabilities needed to handle high speeds...
The faster the arrow is flying, the more perfect the broadhead needs to be. Frankly, most broadheads simply are not up to the challenge of go-fast bows. They have to be mounted perfectly true to the shaft. And you have to go way up the price scale to get carbon arrows that'll handle broadheads at speeds in excess of 300 fps, and even then it's hard to get the broadhead mounted perfectly true to the shaft, because the shafts themselves aren't perfectly true.
Putting together ultra speedy hunting rigs not an endeavor for the faint of heart... or thin of wallet.
07-02-2008 | 03:41 PM
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RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
ORIGINAL: MOTOWNHONKEY
I thought people who shoot fast bows were just trying to make up for a short we-we.
I thought people who shoot fast bows were just trying to make up for a short we-we.