RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

I know that we talk much more about arrow straightness when it comes to aluminums and it is true that a straight arrow is very important.

But what about the paradox recovery in aluminums as opposed to carbons. Does paradox recovery fit into the accuracy equation?

Trust me, I am an aluminum die hard. But I do try out carbons every four or five years to see if any improvements have been made.

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

still use alloys always will

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

The few hi-speed videos I've seen show carbons recovering from paradox quicker than aluminums, but the videos were on sites owned by companies that make carbon arrows. Kinda makes 'em suspect. No telling if the aluminums they showed for comparison were stiff enough in spine for the bow they were demonstrating with. If they were not stiff enough, it'd make paradox worse and recovery much slower than it would be with a properly spined arrow. Likewise, if the carbons were too stiff for the bow, paradox would be less and recovery much faster.

It's plausible that carbons recover quicker than aluminum, maybe even likely, but I can't see it as much of an advantage unless the shot was taken at very close distance.

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

Yup, the tests I have seen could definetely have a bias factor and could use arrows that demonstrate what they are looking to do.

But for the sake of our conversation, lets say that the arrows are matched properly to the bow, have the same FOC etc.and they are representing trueparadox recovery.Do youthink thealuminum would still hit it's mark, or could it drift away somewhere, or even miss the bulleye because it was still in a recovery stage. Lets add a little wind to the equation. Would the straightness of the arrow be more important then the paradox recovery?

I know it's still our own opinion without a scientific study. But I'd still like to hear it.

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

When I've done my part, they always have. So have wood, fiberglass, glass/carbon composites, carbon, aluminum/carbon hybrids... :)

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Actually, in high wind, heavier arrows have always done better for me. Light carbons, no matter how fast they go, have always gone berserk in the same winds that hardly affect a hefty aluminum. So I don't think paradox recovery is as important as mass in windy conditions. Now, I know you're interested in running high FOC carbons and I have to admit I've not experimented with them in high wind. Maybe The Rev or Kanga can give you some insight because they've been using high FOC for a while now.

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

Common Art, I need more then that. :D

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

LOL. See edit above.:D

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

Thanks Art, and yes, I am looking to try the extreme FOC arrows. Really carbon is the only option. Aluminum just doesn't seem to fly right with extreme FOC. I PM's Dr. Ashby about this and he had the same expereince. I could go footed wood, but the price is a little out of my league. Anywho, I have the carbons uncutat 600 grain with 300 grains up front and some parachutt cord inside. My main bow is on vacation right now so I am goofing with my GP.

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

i use carbon arrows they are more dependable, casue sometimes a aluminum arrows will be bent a little and wont fly straight and they are also more heavy than carbon.

RE: is anyone still faithful so aluminum arrows?
 

Your kidding right? The only one you are correct on in my opinion is that more companies make them, but then again the same company that makes most of the quality carbons also makes the aluminums;).

Aluminum arrows have a MUCH broader spectrum of weight and spine choices, same goes for diameter.

And while carbon might be stronger than aluminum I have never ruined an aluminum in a way that would not have also ruined a carbon. And I have never had my aluminum arrows go bad from being in my hot trunk or sitting in the sun too long. The resin in carbon arrows can and will break down over time and they will lose spine and warp. Aluminum will not do this, in order for a metal arrow to bend you have to physically bend it.

And aluminum arrows are much more consistent for the price than just about any carbon on the market. It's not uncommon to get bad carbon arrows right out of the box, I have never had this happen with aluminum arrows, even with easton jazz youth arrows. I'm not saying every box of arrows carbon arrows you buy will have bad arrows in it, but it's way more common than people realize. Most either don't shoot well enough to notice and/or don't check their arrows before and while using them.

After using both and shooting them alot, like hundreds of shots a day I have found the exact opposite to be true. Aluminum arrows are straighter out of the box for the price and tend to say that way if not abused, like stepping on one or pulling it out of a target incorrectly (which will also ruin a carbon by the way). Where as I have had carbons actually take on a S curve at the tip after repeated shooting from the resin giving up from heat and abuse. And .003" are cheap aluminums. The only ones that have a larger variance are the youth arrows like the Jazzes and such. I once put my jazzes that I had been shooting all season on an arrow spinner and then had a guy put his month old Goldtip target arrows on it and my cheap beat up aluminum kids arrows were straighter than his carbon target arrows. He was not impressed to say the least.

And another thing, just because you think your carbon arrow is good doesn't mean it is. With an aluminum if something goes wrong it is pretty visible. With carbon arrows they can lose spine, or break down from the inside and you will never now it. That is until one breaks or something.

I will be honest I have never had a carbon break unless I hit something with it. But I have tested several that I thought were good and were not.

Carbons get better every year, but in my opinion they still haven't caught up with aluminum arrows in the quality and consistency department. I personally see no reason to use them unless you are just looking for the most amount of speed you can get out of your bow. Which is what originally made them popular.

They make fantastic golf shafts though if you get them matched correctly;).

I shoot 2213's by the way and don't have any trouble with durability. And those are fairly light and thin.

Paul