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Ok, does anyone have first hand experience with their Mechheads not opening on a deer?? Let me hear the story if ya do, I just one to see if it is true, how often it happens, please state the Brand name. I know of two in 15 yrs, so it's not that common or is it...??

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I'm batting 100% with the Rage 2 blade fully deploying on contact! :D:D:D

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......anyone one else get a headache when anything close to the subject of Rage comes up? I mean DT's deer fall over if you whisper the word near them, but come on. I propose a 3 day festival. For 72 hours, we will celebrate no threads involving anything that could lead to the mention of the Rage.:D Anyone in?

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Slick Tricks, guaranteed to be open 100% of the time on impact!:D

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I've used mechs for over 15 years and used at least 10 different broadheads from numerous manufacturers and put a lot of em in deer and I have yet to have one fail to deploy. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but the waymechs are designed I don't see how it could.

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I had one experience with a mechanical head deploying before reaching its intended target (a turkey).

It opened up when it hit the fabric of my DB Matrix.[8D]

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You don't needto convince meof their devistation, I want to hear if anyone has experienced failure , Im tired of hearing the arguement and arguing that issue with no real solid evidence or record of it. I mean I probably won't go out and buy em, but I will no loger argue that they fail to open if they in fact do open. so who has had a bad experience with the mech heads, it doesn't have to be a Rage head....

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Landon, You are just opening a can of worms and nothing will/can be accomplished by a thread like this. I doubt very seriously if there is anyone here that has killed more animals by a greater number of different models of expandable heads than I have. They work great 99+% of the time.

That's better than I am, but personally I want to know when there is a screw up it was me and not some malfunction of a Broadhead.

I see no advantage to expandables any more. My fixed Blades group like a field point, cut huge holes, are as tough as an anvil, and they cut on impact instead of having to open;)

Use what you want and most of the time you will be OK but 40 years Bowhunting and using expandables several of those years has convinced me they are an unecessary risk at best.

They sell and a lot of people use them. Guys Love Gadgets, and really I'm no different than most. I just won't run the risk anymore.

Dan

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Dan I understand, I won't shoot them either, 1% is still too much of a chance for me, but Im just interested the stats if you will. I want to hear from real people that have had failure. You are right, this thread will likely end up in the trash, I was hoping to get some unbiased info, but it won't happen.

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I thought this thread was made to determine a %-age......not state an off the wall number and cite it as fact????

Anyways.....I suppose everyone against the mechanicals will be shooting traditional tackle, this year? Less moving parts....and it's a tried and true method!:)

I'm assuming the answer to my uestion is a resounding...."No.....I'll shoot my compound.....because it is a tried and true piece of equipment". So....I'll cite the same reasoning for shooting my mechanicals (when I'm not shooting traditional equipment).

And,......honestly....if your mind's made up....and you KNOW you won't shoot them (mechanicals)......WHY do you care? Honest question. What will you glean from this post?

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He does have a point!:D

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I won't shoot them either way, but at least I will know if mech heads are worth all the hype. I think they have come along ways over the years, I don't care what people shoot, I just want to know more about the operation of the heads. Are they trustworthy, I have many people ask me about the mech heads mainly Rage and all I can tell em is that they leave huge holes and they may or may not open..........

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You are right you will get very little useful info on a thread like this. People think what they shoot is best and will defend it to the end:D

I have nothing against mechanicals and have always been lured by the gadgetry aspect as many are, but with my much experience with them,and the fact thatI do Not see Any advantage whatsoever over what I currently shoot. I'll refrain;)

Dan

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I used 1% as a reference point. I don't have % of this, that's why I posted the thread Jeff.

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You mean.....like a Bowtech staffer might? And there's NO validity to these mech shooters'claims??

V E R Y interesting...........

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I guess you could say the same thing about all the accessories used on Compounds these days! How many had D-loop failures and ended up punching themselves in the face, how many drop a ways failed how many cracked limbs etc, etc, etc... Nothing is 100% including the archer so this argument could go on for decades!

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I have never had one fail but I have had a bad experience from one. NAP shockwave.

I will be the first to admit that the shot was a little far back and I think I ended up pushing the elk and never found him. Not recovering the elk was my fault and a very hard lesson learned.

On to the head..... The shot was too far back (liver). Being a mechanical I did not get much of an entrance wound and the arrow only stuck out the offside. So with no entrance wound to speak of and the arrow plugging the exit wound the blood trail was sparce at best. Had I been using a good fixed head like my current slick tricks there is no doubt in my mind that the arrow would have completely passed through the elk, I would have had an arrow to examine the type of shot, there would have been a huge entrance hole, and chances of recovering that elk would have been much higher.

While I doubt that the head failed, hind sight being what it is, I sure wish i had a fixed blade head on that hunt.

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Not doubting what you said because it makes perfect sense, but if you never recovered the elk how do you know the entrance wound was small?

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Taking Jabs at me onlyshows your immaturity;)

Dan

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I'n not taking a jab at you, Dan. I'm using YOUR "logic" (however flawed it may be....I'll let you decide).

You cite the reason someone might defend their choice of products"to the end" as a sign their judgement (and I won't go as far as to say integrity) "could be" compromised.

Hell...as far as I know....none of us touting mechanicalsare being compensated for our reviews. What's immatature/a"jab"aboutusing YOUR"logic"?

When we hear you tout your bow choice "to the end"....what are WE to think? Do you really believe in the product.....OR...is your review "bought and paid for"? You'd have me believe the former, i suppose. I just don't see why we don't get the same benefit of the doubt.

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Bought and Paid for and the Secret connections is Your Logic[8D]

Believe it or not Jeff 40 years experience does mean something, but I guess if I had your experience I wouldn't believe it either:eek:

Like I said use what you want and in all likelyhood you will have no problem. It's just one part of the equation I chose to eliminate;)If there were any Advantages I might take the risk.

Care to draw from your wealth of knowledge and tell me what all those advantages are?

Dan

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I use mech!!! I agree fixed or mech placed right will kill equally but I believe the mech. will give you an advantage on a bad shot because of the size of the hole but that is only my opinion. I have never heard of one not opening on impact but I have heard of them opening early. Walt

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Aside from putting a bigger hole in the spot my arrow enters and exits the animal (than the head you're using)I'm trying to kill......I can't think of too many. Ialso can't think of a BETTER advantage!

'Course.....I didn't have to hunt 40 years to figure that one out. It only took me one season, 7 dead deer and half a brain to figure that one out. Hell any man with a tape measure (regardless of his time in the woods hunting deer) could do the same thing in about 10 seconds. Some people......it might take longer (to grasp this "intricacy"), I concur.

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With the current head I am using I have Killed a couple dozen animals of 3 different species and have yet to have to Blood Trail one. You think I need a Bigger hole?:eek:

How many times do you shoot each Deer?[8D]JK/ing!!

Care to post your perfect heart shot pic again?

Dan

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I would like to hear more about opening too early... what is that?? Are mech supposed to open as soon as the tip hits resistance or are they supposed to open before??/ so what if they do open before, wouldn't that be like shooting a fixed head?? I seriously do not know here, this is why I asked in the post for failures and reasons.. I like muzzy heads and maybe slick tricks because I know that they will punch through anything I shoot if it's place properly, can Ifind anyone on here that can tell me why not to shoot a fixed head, so anyone on here have any reasons why they shoot mechs over fixed??? if a head cuts 2" vs a 1" IS THE DEER GOING TO DIE FASTER ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL?? I understand the bad shot scenrio with the Rage, but if both heads are put into both lungs the deer is going to die in 10 seconds either way right??? 1" vs 2"????

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You kill me Dan.....lol.

I can't wait to see if you're as funny, in person!;)

Once again we have a mechanical BH thread......and the biggest detractor (who admits he will NEVER use them.....but just can't for the life of him stayaway from the threads discussing them)isn't even secure enough in his argument to discuss the merits of his stance.So instead he stoops to weak attempts at personal, derogatory comments.

SO typical.[&:]

VA...no one here is trying to tell you NOT to shoot a fixed head. THAT'S what "we" get from "your" side. I don't actually care what you shoot. It doesn't affect me in the least.

And, quite likely, form a 3/4". Why don't you just shoot a 3/4" head and hope for the best?;)

And since you asked.....I will! I LOVE this pic!






BTW...that was a Muzzy 3 blade. I can only assume (from my experience with the head I employ, now) the trauma would have been much more massive had I been shooting the RAGE!:D

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I ilke both. If youshoot them through the lungs they should die quick either way. I like mechanicals b/c of the big holes and b/c they are more forgiving of my mistakes. I am not always shooting from the same postion that I am in practice, while I am hunting, and sometimes I probably grip the handle a little too tight when the adrenaline is flowing and I may cant the bow a little on an angled shot from the tree or the wind may be gusty and I simply feel like the mechanicals is more forgiving in those situations and therefore give my the greatest oppurtunity to make a quick clean kill. For others that are naturally great shots, or have naturally great form, or have the natural ability to stay completely calm, this may not be the case. But for me, I am none of the things listed above, though my composure has come along way, so I feel like the mechanical is the best option for me. That coupled with the fact that I have killed quite a few deer with them gives me a great deal of confidence in them and IMO the best ting you can carry to the woods or the water with you isconfidence.

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Maybe he was trying to show his maturity?? I'm just sayin....:D:D:D:D

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Jeff, Again since you seem to fail to comprehend. I have used more mechanicals than you you have screwed on the end of your arrow, and I've killed 4 times the animals with mechanicals alone than you have total.

I think that gives me the right to post on this or any other thread I choose to.

Guys you gotta Love that heartshot!!

Dan

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Jeff, are you saying that's a heart shot?How was the deer standing in relation to you?

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True colors, Dan.....TRUE colors.;)

That buck was shot from 23' up......at 33 yds. I've stated in this forum, more than once, that I did the "autopsy" on this animal.

He actually wasn't (believe it or not). He was working a scrape and quartering away from me.

And yet...."I'm a liar". You might as well come right out and say it, Dan. that's what you're implying. Better yet....you can just call me that when I see ya.;)

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Maybe that deer was standing on his head, rolled up in a ball, or maybe he just misplaced his Heart[8D]

Dan




P.S. The Red oval at the bottom of his chest and just above the legs is his heart.;)

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Are those personal threats Jeff? :eek:

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Nah!! I just think he was doing Hand stands when you shot him:eek:

Dan

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It wouldn't be the first ones;)

Can anyone overlay the anatomy pic over the Deer Deer pic? Just kind of curious. Looks a tad off to me.

Dan

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Dan, if you don't think that you can get into the heart from that entry hole in Jeff's picture- you might need a little anatomy lesson of your own, bub. ;)

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Yes, I have read enough threads to know that when somebody questions something Jeff uses he gets real defensive, I think alot of it is guys messing with him cause they know how to push his easy to push buttons. He will take things out of context if he feels his personal choice of equipment is being critisized. I used to enjoy reading his comments but now they are mostly arguments and over dramatizations...

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No "threat", Danno. I mean it.;) And if I'd personally threatened you.....you'd have cried to the mods faster than you did inthat Atlas thread.:D

(Oh ****.....I feel a "No YOU'RE a Shmoopie" rant coming on!)

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I would have to agree, it would have to be a steep angle but it can be done. he said he was "23 feet in a tree", however it was "33 yards out"!

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meanv, 40 years of hunting and you didn't learn a thing except to thump his own chest!:D I for one say nice shot Jeff, who cares what this guy thinks, the deer is on your wall!:)