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Wonderful![&:]

I disagree with you and your stance so, well...........let's fight about it!

That's too funny! :D Doesn't that break some kind of rule?

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Gotta agree. The "anatomy picture posted has the deer standing with is right foot back and Jeff's deer has his right leg forward quite a bit. You move that leg back to where it would be in int's natural postions and that shot is tucked right behind the shoulder or so it would appear. I certainly wouldn't doubt that it was a heart shot.

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You need to get your stories straight Jeffy Boy. I NEVER CRY to the mods:D

Dan

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Possible yeah, likely no? especially since I think i remember the story behind it;)

Not everyone can be the King!:eek:

Dan

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If you guys promise to stop acting like children, I'll let you see a "real" heart shot.;):D:D:D

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I was gonna post my findings here, but I see it's just one big arguement going on so I'll pm them instead.

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Nice Pic!!

Here's another Heart shot;)

Dan

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not sure why this had to turn into an argument, i think a lot of people could have learned something, if most of the posts were on topic, and not an argument with another member.

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In the early days I think they had problems by design. Now days I think the problems arise when people push the envelope. When people start shooting them a low poundage and with low kenetic energy is when problems develope. I would bet that just about everyone that's had problems did so when shooting them when they should have stuck to cut on contact heads. Poorly tuned bows will also cause problems. Just asking the question.... "who had problems" is pretty much useless without knowing the specifics of poundage, K.E., distances etc. Me, I just don't like them but that'sa personnal thing. Never shot them. I see no need to fix something that isn't broken.

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I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, because for some strangereason I don't think he's quite dead yet.:D:DBut, and I'm not calling Jeff a lier,it seems to me that buck would have had to be directly under him for that to have been a heart shot. One last observation. If you wanted to show that deer asbeing heart shot, which I would have, wouldn't you have theexit side showing? If it was indeed a heart shot, it would have had to be on the exit of the hit.;)

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Jeff I wanted to know the real truth about mech heads, it was not an attempt to criticize any one's choice of BH, I wanted to know if there were really issues with these BH and how they work. I still did not get my answer. so I will ask again, has anyone had a mech BH fail to open on a deer, elk, giraffe, etc....???

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I am sorry your thread turned into that[:'(].

I have never witnessed a mech BH fail to open....and no one I directly know has either (A few other failures have taken place). So...thats probably 20+ mech head deer kills and no failure to open.

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Thanks JoeRE. that is what Im looking for, and that's impressive 20+ animals no fail......Anyone else??

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Are there any open tickets to this show in 09:D?

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I didn't shoot the arrow but was sitting next to the guy that did and I cut it out.

NAP shockwave 100gr. Shot out the window of a Double Bull Blind, not through the mesh. Antelope buck 27 yards, hit high and ended up witha spine shot. Buck dropped in his tracks but had to shoot him again in the chest. Dissected out the arrow in the back and the broadhead was completely closed and buried in the vertebrae with the blades in the closed position. Complete malfunction, I'm not even sure how that happened. Broadhead penetrated the bone with the blades in the closed position.

I saved the bone with the head embedded and sent NAP a letter to see if they wanted it and never heard from them.

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100% my MX-3's will be open on impact. But, thought about maybe trying a rage 2 blade.

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Ummm, I think it only be proper to put in a disclaimer on your qualifications..........:D:D:D[8D][8D][8D]

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I killed 13 deerusing Spitfires, and NEVER had one not open, EVER! That was with a CB, so they don't count.;)[8D]

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What I can't believe is that people are surprised that a mechanical bh post turned into an argument, especially with Jeff and Dan involved.[&:] No offense fellas, but you're both usually in the eye of the storm.

Mez, what was entrance wound? Were there blade marks or no? I've heard of jack knife style heads swinging closed when stopped abruptly (like when hitting bone). I wonder if this may be what happened on that shot. If not, that is amazing that those blades could stay closed even passing into bone.

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Why don't you buy them yourself and see what happens? Try hunting with them. What is the point of your thread? Does the percentage have to be some number before you'll try them? They are GREAT heads from everything I've read on here and what folks I know that use them. have told me.What more do you want? I use G5 Montechs, and love them from PERSONAL experience.

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Skipped through most of this post. I tried various Rockets years ago. The heads completely fell apart on 3 deer (ferrules bents, tips laid over sideways or ripped out, blades missing, etc.), and only got 3" of penetration on a textbook broadside hit, using a 65# bow. (All fortunately recovered.) I tossed the rest of those heads. Haven't had any damage to heads or penetration problems since switching to welded, one-piece cut-on-contacts.

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valor do you have a personal problem with this thread? I asked to hear about failures to see if they actually occur as much as people say they do. I don't want to try them, never have and never will. This is the second time you have chimed in on a post of mine with some sort of agitation. If you don't like the thread then don't respond.

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Because that's GMMAT's style, you havn't learned that yet

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I have used Rocket Steelhead 100's and Grim Reaper Razorcut 100's for several seasons with several kills(6 rocket 3 Grim)and 0 failures. I did damage1 of eachduring 2 seperate spine shots but they still inflicted massive damage resulting in dead deer. That being said I also shoot Rocket Ultimate Steel 100's fixed blades and I love them but have lost a blade on one at some point during entry of the deer.

A tuned bow withgood kinetic energy, good arrow flight, anda sharp broadhead seems to work well.;)

I don't shoot Rages but I also don't believe they are junk. As long as a broadhead is well built and sharp and you add it to an already good hunting set up it mainly comes down to taking good shots and shot placement. My dad is kind of cheap, he buys mechanicals from Wal-Mart, I think they are called Game Trackers or something like that, 14.95 for three (he got them on clearance for 7.50). They shoot good, they are sharp, and work as advertised but I'm almost certain most here wouldn't buy or hunt with them. It all comes down to personal preference he swears by them and has had good results, could he convince you to try them? Probably not, but then again he wouldn't even try anyway.

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I have somewhere around20 dead deer that can attest that the spitfires worked as advertised. That's shooting them from the first Reflex model to ever be produced.

I'll let yall know how well they do from my X Force.

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Nope, noone is going to convince me to shoot any mech BH, I don't even want too, but I do want to find out if people have problems with them, and so far it doesn't seem that many have issues with them.

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they should be deadly from the X Force, I have never seen a bow shoot with such power in my life. Last season I shot multiple deer with the X force with an arrow that was entirely too light....309 gr at 73# and 309 fps. Never had a problem with penetration, just did n't shoot the bow well at all on the range. I n the woods, it was money.

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Who cares Jeff? Its an open internet forum. You don't have to be thirsty to have a beer around this place. You ought to know a thing or three about pointless BS threads yourself.... looking for opinions and thoughts and meanings... your usual comment to folks who question your motivation behind some of your threads that often go 10+ pages and way off topic is "Its my thread.. you don't have to post." And I personally like that attitude.. seriously I do. Nobody has to post, read or have reason here.

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LMAO!!! Swamp, yousaid it!! What a great statement, if ya don't like the thread then don't respond. I wasn't looking for an arguement I was honestly trying to find out why some Mech BH get a bad rap. I know Swamp could chime in on this, he has a wealth of knowledge and quite a few yrs under his belt, let's just say he kind of does this for a living.....I know his thoughts on the topic and I have already taken that into consideration before I posted the question. Swamp is one of the guys on here that will tell you straight, he will tell why or why not and give you legit reasons for his answers. RESPECT!!!!

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So Vab, I dont really feel like reading 7 pages, were there any failures or not?[8D]

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My son had one open in flight, and a friend had 2 out of the same pack not open. I was with him on one of them, the other he told me about but have no reason not to belive him.

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I've been using 100 grain spitfires for about 8 years and have never had a malfunction. I used Muzzys before that.

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Just a hole, the thing never opened. No blade tracks at all. I'm not sure how the thing couldn't have opened but it never did.

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Never Had one fail to open, I did have problems with Rockets being wimpy blades. I have never known someone who had one fail to open, but everyone knows somebody who had a friend whose cousins dident open or some kinda horror story

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Tembry, I have some PMs that tell me they had failures or were hunting guys when they did fail. Not too many though.

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Wow, that is amazing. There must have been something seriously wrong with that head to go through heavy tissue and then bone and not open. It just goes to show how important it is to inspect all of your equipment before taking it into the field. Fortunately you guys got that animal.

Thanks for the info. Definitely food for thought.

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Last year was my first season using a mech broadhead, and I was very skeptical about them as well. But based on the recommendations of my friend and cousin (who have both used them for the past several seasons) I went with 100 gr Spitfires.Between the 3 of us, we killed 10 deer and 1 coyote with them with last year, and had zero failures.

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I see by the PM's from mods and members alike I'm not the only sick of the GMMAT vs MeanV, MeanV vs GMMAT jabs. It's gotta stop as I'm getting too much press on it. I suggest to both of you to stay clear of one another.

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Well VA I have shot one deer with a Mech and it open and killed the deer.
When ever a deer is lost, it's the BH fault 98% of the time. If it is a Mech it's because it did not open, if it is a fixed blade, it's because the cutting diameter is to small. We are a strange group of souls:D