Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
06-13-2008 | 09:13 PM
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RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
need more details...
How big of area does he have access to ?
How many otherhunters besides you the week you hunted ?
Was he putting other hunters in stands in the afternoon thatyou hunted in the morning ?
What time of the day did you see the good bucks from the stand sites?
I can see him doing it this way for a few reasons.
1. Some spots are better for morning hunts then afternoon hunts and visa versa. I seldom will hunt the same area all day since I have a lot of acreageand better spots in the afternoon. Some spots are only good morning spots.
2. Getting you out of a stand for a small breakand fed helps tokeep youfrom getting antsy from being stiff,cold and tired.
3. Wind direction changes or thermals
4. Over hunting an area when other spots are better ( see #1 )
5. Because it is what works for him and he wants you coming back in future years.
Down side to his way...
1. Loss of hunting time.
2. Deer patterning hunters leaving and coming to standsthe same time every dayfor your shower/dinnerbreak ( Why I want more details on the last twoquestions )
3. Contaiminating the areas by going in and out during the day ( every day )if the stands are good for bothAM andPM hunts for all day sits. Why I want to know if other hunters hunt your morning stand in the afternoon.
While I agree with Jeff that it is his woods, he calls the shots... I am curious and find this very interesting. Half the fun of a hunt is the plotting that goes into it.
Tim
How big of area does he have access to ?
How many otherhunters besides you the week you hunted ?
Was he putting other hunters in stands in the afternoon thatyou hunted in the morning ?
What time of the day did you see the good bucks from the stand sites?
I can see him doing it this way for a few reasons.
1. Some spots are better for morning hunts then afternoon hunts and visa versa. I seldom will hunt the same area all day since I have a lot of acreageand better spots in the afternoon. Some spots are only good morning spots.
2. Getting you out of a stand for a small breakand fed helps tokeep youfrom getting antsy from being stiff,cold and tired.
3. Wind direction changes or thermals
4. Over hunting an area when other spots are better ( see #1 )
5. Because it is what works for him and he wants you coming back in future years.
Down side to his way...
1. Loss of hunting time.
2. Deer patterning hunters leaving and coming to standsthe same time every dayfor your shower/dinnerbreak ( Why I want more details on the last twoquestions )
3. Contaiminating the areas by going in and out during the day ( every day )if the stands are good for bothAM andPM hunts for all day sits. Why I want to know if other hunters hunt your morning stand in the afternoon.
While I agree with Jeff that it is his woods, he calls the shots... I am curious and find this very interesting. Half the fun of a hunt is the plotting that goes into it.
Tim
06-13-2008 | 09:18 PM
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From: RAYVILLE,LA.
RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
Thats a tough call to make and I guess it all comes down to how strongly you feel about siiting in one stand all day verses breaking for a couple hours then hunting a different stand,if this guy knows the area and is as good as you claim you might want to take his advice,then again no one can predict when a monster buck will appear if they could it wouldn't be much of a challenge would it.don't take this the wrong way,but maybe because you killed one of the biggest bucks you have ever taken at midday you are letting that influence you more than anything and if I remember corectly you said it was rattled in,not exactly normal buck movement,and what about the times you sat all day and seen nothing during midday,but I do get what you are saying I wouldn't want to make that decesion.
06-13-2008 | 09:28 PM
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From: ND
RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
couple more questions...
How many stands sites does he run??
Does he move the stand sites aroundin a certainarea on where " you "are seeingbuck activity or are the stands setup and stay there the whole time you hunt?? No tweeking to get in a better position. That there would kill me if I couldn't tweek to get in a better spot evenif it only meant moving 10 or 20 yards.
Can you choose where you hunt or does he call all the shots ?? Would he let you sit all day on the last day in a spot " you " liked??
Tim
How many stands sites does he run??
Does he move the stand sites aroundin a certainarea on where " you "are seeingbuck activity or are the stands setup and stay there the whole time you hunt?? No tweeking to get in a better position. That there would kill me if I couldn't tweek to get in a better spot evenif it only meant moving 10 or 20 yards.
Can you choose where you hunt or does he call all the shots ?? Would he let you sit all day on the last day in a spot " you " liked??
Tim
06-13-2008 | 09:37 PM
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RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
If you are confidant in the guide and you believe he knows his stuff and/or his results are proof positive that his method works,than do what he suggests.If you don't have confidence in him use another outfitter,or advise him of your concerns and talk to him about it.
It is easy to make a case either way.I have the same opinion you do though I would not want to leave the stand during the day.With a short hunt though you have to figure which stand or stands are hot pretty fast.
It is easy to make a case either way.I have the same opinion you do though I would not want to leave the stand during the day.With a short hunt though you have to figure which stand or stands are hot pretty fast.
06-13-2008 | 09:59 PM
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RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
I would hunta couple days his way.If you dont see or shoot anything good in that time I would ask him if you can do it your way for a day or two.How can you contaminate area with 3 showers a day.The contamination comes from picking you up and driving you all over the woods.Electric vehicles are quiet but they still stink.They still use regular automotive type grease in bearings/bushings besides all the other odors.I would take it as it comes.You just might need those 12 hours for some R&R or picture time with a Monster you got the first day.
06-14-2008 | 04:56 AM
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RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
ORIGINAL: TJF
need more details...
How big of area does he have access to ?
How many otherhunters besides you the week you hunted ?
Was he putting other hunters in stands in the afternoon thatyou hunted in the morning ?
What time of the day did you see the good bucks from the stand sites?
I can see him doing it this way for a few reasons.
1. Some spots are better for morning hunts then afternoon hunts and visa versa. I seldom will hunt the same area all day since I have a lot of acreageand better spots in the afternoon. Some spots are only good morning spots.
2. Getting you out of a stand for a small breakand fed helps tokeep youfrom getting antsy from being stiff,cold and tired.
3. Wind direction changes or thermals
4. Over hunting an area when other spots are better ( see #1 )
5. Because it is what works for him and he wants you coming back in future years.
Down side to his way...
1. Loss of hunting time.
2. Deer patterning hunters leaving and coming to standsthe same time every dayfor your shower/dinnerbreak ( Why I want more details on the last twoquestions )
3. Contaiminating the areas by going in and out during the day ( every day )if the stands are good for bothAM andPM hunts for all day sits. Why I want to know if other hunters hunt your morning stand in the afternoon.
While I agree with Jeff that it is his woods, he calls the shots... I am curious and find this very interesting. Half the fun of a hunt is the plotting that goes into it.
Tim
need more details...
How big of area does he have access to ?
How many otherhunters besides you the week you hunted ?
Was he putting other hunters in stands in the afternoon thatyou hunted in the morning ?
What time of the day did you see the good bucks from the stand sites?
I can see him doing it this way for a few reasons.
1. Some spots are better for morning hunts then afternoon hunts and visa versa. I seldom will hunt the same area all day since I have a lot of acreageand better spots in the afternoon. Some spots are only good morning spots.
2. Getting you out of a stand for a small breakand fed helps tokeep youfrom getting antsy from being stiff,cold and tired.
3. Wind direction changes or thermals
4. Over hunting an area when other spots are better ( see #1 )
5. Because it is what works for him and he wants you coming back in future years.
Down side to his way...
1. Loss of hunting time.
2. Deer patterning hunters leaving and coming to standsthe same time every dayfor your shower/dinnerbreak ( Why I want more details on the last twoquestions )
3. Contaiminating the areas by going in and out during the day ( every day )if the stands are good for bothAM andPM hunts for all day sits. Why I want to know if other hunters hunt your morning stand in the afternoon.
While I agree with Jeff that it is his woods, he calls the shots... I am curious and find this very interesting. Half the fun of a hunt is the plotting that goes into it.
Tim
Last year I saw deer at all different times, morn/evening. There was one day where I wasgiven the chance to hunt all day, and saw anice buck right around noon time. I do trust his judgement, I'm just used to sitting all day.
06-14-2008 | 05:30 AM
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RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
i guess you should do what the outfitter says, but what if you got your way, hunted all day, and killed the next world record at high noon? then would you be considered "the man". then would they let people hunt all day? i would want to sit all day too.
06-14-2008 | 06:18 AM
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RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
I know this isn't answering your question,but one of the primary reasons that I don't go on guided hunts any more is because I felt like I couldn't hunt the way I wanted to.I have been on two guided hunts,both for whitetails,both with a rifle,this was many years ago.
So much depends on the outfitter though,if you have a quality outfitter with a great area,you are likely best to trust his judgement.
I prefer to trust my own instincts though and for that reason I will likely never go on a guided hunt again.
So much depends on the outfitter though,if you have a quality outfitter with a great area,you are likely best to trust his judgement.
I prefer to trust my own instincts though and for that reason I will likely never go on a guided hunt again.
06-14-2008 | 07:14 AM
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From: Racine, Wisconsin
RE: Serious Rut Question (lengthy read)
That is a tough one. I must be related to that guy because that is exactly how I hunt. I've been known to bed down during mid-day. However, you are paying to hunt and should be able to hunt all day. Maybe you should ask him if you could stay instead of going back to camp. If he says no, I'd do what he wishes. He seems to have a handle on getting the job done.