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SwampCollie 05-20-2008 07:52 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: joshw020

ORIGINAL: Hotburn76

ORIGINAL: joshw020
.... goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mind but the rack hanging on the wall....
Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.
You're kidding, right? . . . I'm not damning you for using a CB man, if it's your thing, it's your thing. . .but I see guys smoke deer ALL season at 40 & 50 yards without any problems from string jumping. Are they loud?. . .um, yeah. . .but at the speed those bolts travel, good luck to anything within 50 yards. This doesn't come from theories in my head bro. . .it's what I SEE with my own eyes each and every season.

So Josh you actually sit in the stand/film with these guys shooting deer at 40-50 yards?

Lubricious 05-20-2008 07:54 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: joshw020

ORIGINAL: Hotburn76

ORIGINAL: joshw020
....goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall....
Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.
You're kidding, right? . . . I'm not damning you for using a CB man, if it's your thing,it's your thing. . .but I see guys smoke deer ALL season at 40& 50 yards without any problems from string jumping. Are they loud?. . .um, yeah. . .but at the speed those bolts travel, good luck to anything within 50 yards. This doesn't come from theories in my head bro. . .it's what ISEE with my own eyes each and every season.
How fast do YOU believe these crossbows are shooting? Id wager that you are very far off from actual figures.

early in 05-20-2008 07:57 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie

ORIGINAL: joshw020

ORIGINAL: Hotburn76

ORIGINAL: joshw020
.... goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mind but the rack hanging on the wall....
Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.
You're kidding, right? . . . I'm not damning you for using a CB man, if it's your thing, it's your thing. . .but I see guys smoke deer ALL season at 40 & 50 yards without any problems from string jumping. Are they loud?. . .um, yeah. . .but at the speed those bolts travel, good luck to anything within 50 yards. This doesn't come from theories in my head bro. . .it's what I SEE with my own eyes each and every season.

So Josh you actually sit in the stand/film with these guys shooting deer at 40-50 yards?
I would have to see a deer stand around long enough to be hit with a bolt at 50yrds.That's just me.:D I'm pretty sure the noise would get there first!;)

RockinChair 05-20-2008 07:57 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: Lubricious

ORIGINAL: joshw020

ORIGINAL: Hotburn76

ORIGINAL: joshw020
....goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall....
Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.
You're kidding, right? . . . I'm not damning you for using a CB man, if it's your thing,it's your thing. . .but I see guys smoke deer ALL season at 40& 50 yards without any problems from string jumping. Are they loud?. . .um, yeah. . .but at the speed those bolts travel, good luck to anything within 50 yards. This doesn't come from theories in my head bro. . .it's what ISEE with my own eyes each and every season.
How fast do YOU believe these crossbows are shooting? Id wager that you are very far off from actual figures.
My crossbow, the Horton Hunter is the top Horton model and it shoots ARROWS at a speed of up to 320 fps. The 82nd and 101st Airborne are advertised at shooting 330-340 fps. Now I'm no math major but I think that compound is shooting a bit faster.

Granted the difference is in KE .. my Hunter has 95 lbs. of KE compared to 70 or so with a compound. But it gets there not faster than a compound and in some cases much slower.

bigcountry 05-20-2008 08:12 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
Holy cow, I can't believe the load of crap on this thread. If anyone thinks a compound has twice the range of a crossbow, bottom line, nicest way I can say it, they do not know crossbows or compounds.

I have personally seen the effects of crossbows, and I don't like it. I see 18 year olds just wandering around public land with crossbow full cocked. I have hunted for decades, and have never seen this before with compounds.

I would still like to see them put in thier own season as its a totally different class of weapon compared to compound, recurve or longbow.

I guarantee I can make shots with a crossbow, I can't with a bow. You don't have have to stand, just use a gunrest.

bigcountry 05-20-2008 08:14 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: RockinChair
My crossbow, the Horton Hunter is the top Horton model and it shoots ARROWS at a speed of up to 320 fps. The 82nd and 101st Airborne are advertised at shooting 330-340 fps. Now I'm no math major but I think that compound is shooting a bit faster.

Granted the difference is in KE .. my Hunter has 95 lbs. of KE compared to 70 or so with a compound. But it gets there not faster than a compound and in some cases much slower.
So your comparing a entry level crossbow to top of thier game level compounds? How about coming down to reality and comparing a 255fps PSE to your 320fps horton

bigcountry 05-20-2008 08:16 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: RockinChair

ORIGINAL: Schultzy

There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
Cleary you haven't hunted with one. I just started a thread in the crossbow forum about the unique challenges that crossbow hunters face. I encourage you to take a look and think you'll soon realize that they are far differnt from a gun.

The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
So you don't believe its a monster advantage not having to hold on a deer? You really believe that? Thats almost everything. I suggest you hunt with a compound and find the difference.

Lubricious 05-20-2008 08:21 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: bigcountry

I would still like to see them put in thier own season as its a totally different class of weapon compared to compound, recurve or longbow.

I guarantee I can make shots with a crossbow, I can't with a bow. You don't have have to stand, just use a gunrest.

Should compounds have a seperate season than traditionals? Totally different class of archery....

Hotburn76 05-20-2008 08:22 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: joshw020

ORIGINAL: Hotburn76

ORIGINAL: joshw020
....goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall....
Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.
You're kidding, right? . . . I'm not damning you for using a CB man, if it's your thing,it's your thing. . .but I see guys smoke deer ALL season at 40& 50 yards without any problems from string jumping. Are they loud?. . .um, yeah. . .but at the speed those bolts travel, good luck to anything within 50 yards. This doesn't come from theories in my head bro. . .it's what ISEE with my own eyes each and every season.
Did not say you are putting me down for using a CB, you did not, you mentioned faimily using them and supported them.

But I still hold to one fact, you showa 200 class buck that was shot at sixty yards with a CB and I show you a deaf or dumb buck, plain and simple.

If you see deer getting shot at that distance as often as you say you must have deer in your part of the state that are different then the deer in the rest of Ohio and North America for that matter. CB's are loud and the entire woods knows it when you shoot one.

Lubricious 05-20-2008 08:28 PM
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
ORIGINAL: bigcountry

ORIGINAL: RockinChair
My crossbow, the Horton Hunter is the top Horton model and it shoots ARROWS at a speed of up to 320 fps. The 82nd and 101st Airborne are advertised at shooting 330-340 fps. Now I'm no math major but I think that compound is shooting a bit faster.

Granted the difference is in KE .. my Hunter has 95 lbs. of KE compared to 70 or so with a compound. But it gets there not faster than a compound and in some cases much slower.
So your comparing a entry level crossbow to top of thier game level compounds? How about coming down to reality and comparing a 255fps PSE to your 320fps horton

How about a Stryker @ 405 FPS vs the Airbornes?

I dont think the crossbows have anything near uniform for speed measurement though ,so advertised speed might be optimistic. Anyone know?


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