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drenal 05-20-2008 04:49 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 
plenty times but, i wont be using a crossbow ever ,nothing against anyone else using them just not for me i like drawing back a bow

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early in 05-20-2008 05:33 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: early in


ORIGINAL: RockinChair


ORIGINAL: Schultzy

There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
Cleary you haven't hunted with one. I just started a thread in the crossbow forum about the unique challenges that crossbow hunters face. I encourage you to take a look and think you'll soon realize that they are far differnt from a gun.

The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
Don't forget the scope aspect of crossbows, and their light gathering properties. This was not mentioned in that thread, or any of the posts pertaining to that thread.;):D
When I say things like this, don't think for a minute that I'm anti CB, I'm anything but! I own a Horton Yukon SL 150lb, and have killed 13 deer (10 doe, three bucks)with itsince 2000, when they became legal in Pa.I stopped hunting with it in 2006. Why, you may ask? Simple, because it became too easy for ME.It was basiclly became an issue ofseeing a deer, shouldering the CB (gun-like), which I did long before it got into range(for me 30yrds), putting the crosshairs on it (gun-like) once in range, and pulling/squeezing the trigger. It was that simple, too simple.
It's a very efficient weapon, but it's just not for me anymore. I spent lots of time on the CB forum, and had lots of fun. But I just realized that compound bowhunting is my real passion! My experience has taught ME that it's more difficult with a compound, and I love the extra challenge. This subject can be argued until the cows come home, and it will be. I just want folks to know where I'm coming from, and why.
I will never knock anybody for using one when/where they arelegal. I'vebeen on both sides of the fence. To each his/her own.;)

joshw020 05-20-2008 06:41 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: RockinChair


ORIGINAL: Schultzy

There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
Cleary you haven't hunted with one. I just started a thread in the crossbow forum about the unique challenges that crossbow hunters face. I encourage you to take a look and think you'll soon realize that they are far differnt from a gun.

The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
There's advantages and disadvantages to any weapon you take a field. Say what you want Rock, I respect your opinion and ways being you have good class from what I've seen from you on this forum. With saying that though I will never be convinced in saying there a bow. My reasons are fairly simple and not very complicated.

1.You said it yourself you don't have to draw the bow. Thats the biggest reason in my book.
2.You hold it up to your shoulder like a gun and look down the scope and pull the trigger and launch your bolt.

They make look like a bow some what but there operated just like a gun.
Schultzy, you hit the nail on the head. I live and hunt in Ohio. I've never hunted with a CB, but I've shot quite a few in my lifetime. I have friends and family who hunt with them as their main choice . . .some as their only choice.I'm not going to say I'm against them. . .but lets not kid ourselves here fellas. . they are nothing like a compound. Put a halfway decent scope on one and the accuracy is ridiculous. So is the range. To believe anything else is just foolishness, or maybe you haven't shot oneup totodays quality standards. I understand that some people NEED them, and I am 100% happy to have thosehunters in the woods with the rest of us. But I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't feel somewhat slighted when a grown man who's as healthy as an ox, and in the prime of his life, goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall. I would never offer up my thoughts on such a topic without being asked. . .and try not to complain about it. I figure that I'll just have to hunt harder than that guy, and I'm ok with that.But if the question were "is it the same?" The answer isa resounding NO. Infact, it's not even close. Is it fair? Well, wait 'till it comes to your state. . .then you tell me.

Hotburn76 05-20-2008 06:53 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: joshw020
....goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall....
You show me a 200 class buck that has been killed at 60 yards with a CB and I be able to show you a dumb or deaf deer. You said your family has CB's and if you have been around when shot you have to know how loud they are. Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.

SwampCollie 05-20-2008 06:57 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 


ORIGINAL: Big Country

Effective range of crossbows are the same as modern compounds.

That is an absolute load of crap.






A modern compound bow, at 70 or even 60#s, with a suitable arrow and broadhead at contemporary speeds is capable of killing big game at TWICE the distance of a crossbow. There are always exceptions, and its a bit of a generalization... but the point BC made, which I do agree with by the way, is that crossbows are not some huge advantage... infact in my eyes they are more hampered than modern compounds. With most crossbows, even the newer 175# 325fps plus deals... you have about 40 yards... and thats IT. The trajectory is extremely steep, and they are all loud as a compound bow dryfire.

My state, VA, has allowed crossbows for ALL hunters in the general archery season for the last three years, and I think the results have been nothing but positive. I used to be major league anti-crossbow, until I got more educated about them.... like most blind hate.. its born of ignorance... I was guilty too. The way I look at it now is, hunting with a crossbow is just like being gay... its a lifestyle choice.. it ain't contagious, and its not going to hurt you... so if someone wants to shoot a crossbow.. hey its your hunting season... go have a nice time... I don't do it, don't care to, don't want to know about it... but if thats your thing, then hey thats your thing.

joshw020 05-20-2008 07:24 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: Hotburn76


ORIGINAL: joshw020
....goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall....
Most CB's sound like smacking a yard stick on a table at best. String jump is a big factor for CB hunting. I enjoy hunting with Cb's, and am not trying to compare them as level, but bogus statements like that make no sense at all. They are not the long range weapon people think they are.
You're kidding, right? . . . I'm not damning you for using a CB man, if it's your thing,it's your thing. . .but I see guys smoke deer ALL season at 40& 50 yards without any problems from string jumping. Are they loud?. . .um, yeah. . .but at the speed those bolts travel, good luck to anything within 50 yards. This doesn't come from theories in my head bro. . .it's what ISEE with my own eyes each and every season.

RockinChair 05-20-2008 07:44 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: RockinChair


ORIGINAL: Schultzy

There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
Cleary you haven't hunted with one. I just started a thread in the crossbow forum about the unique challenges that crossbow hunters face. I encourage you to take a look and think you'll soon realize that they are far differnt from a gun.

The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
There's advantages and disadvantages to any weapon you take a field. Say what you want Rock, I respect your opinion and ways being you have good class from what I've seen from you on this forum. With saying that though I will never be convinced in saying there a bow. My reasons are fairly simple and not very complicated.

1.You said it yourself you don't have to draw the bow. Thats the biggest reason in my book.
2.You hold it up to your shoulder like a gun and look down the scope and pull the trigger and launch your bolt.

They make look like a bow some what but there operated just like a gun.
Thanks for the appreciation Schultzy.

You're right. Its like I said the biggest difference is the fact that you dont have to draw the bow back, and thats a BIG difference.

Its like I said in the crossbow forum; I think of crossbows being heavier, louder, more bulky and difficult to carry, and a majority of the time you are limited to one shot due to the time it takes to re-cock.

A lot of shots that you can make with a compound cannot be made with a crossbow and vice versa.

When it comes down to it I would say that compounds are more difficult and challending to hunt with. With that being its hard to explain the different challenges that are presented to us crossbow hunters.

Here's the link to the thread I was referring to in the crossbow forum. I'm not tryin to change your mind, just want you to take a look and maybe become a little more familiar with crossbows.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2817773&mpage=1



RockinChair 05-20-2008 07:51 PM

RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
 

ORIGINAL: joshw020


ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: RockinChair


ORIGINAL: Schultzy

There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
Cleary you haven't hunted with one. I just started a thread in the crossbow forum about the unique challenges that crossbow hunters face. I encourage you to take a look and think you'll soon realize that they are far differnt from a gun.

The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
There's advantages and disadvantages to any weapon you take a field. Say what you want Rock, I respect your opinion and ways being you have good class from what I've seen from you on this forum. With saying that though I will never be convinced in saying there a bow. My reasons are fairly simple and not very complicated.

1.You said it yourself you don't have to draw the bow. Thats the biggest reason in my book.
2.You hold it up to your shoulder like a gun and look down the scope and pull the trigger and launch your bolt.

They make look like a bow some what but there operated just like a gun.
Schultzy, you hit the nail on the head. I live and hunt in Ohio. I've never hunted with a CB, but I've shot quite a few in my lifetime. I have friends and family who hunt with them as their main choice . . .some as their only choice.I'm not going to say I'm against them. . .but lets not kid ourselves here fellas. . they are nothing like a compound. Put a halfway decent scope on one and the accuracy is ridiculous. So is the range. To believe anything else is just foolishness, or maybe you haven't shot oneup totodays quality standards. I understand that some people NEED them, and I am 100% happy to have thosehunters in the woods with the rest of us. But I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't feel somewhat slighted when a grown man who's as healthy as an ox, and in the prime of his life, goes out into the field and kills a 200+ booner at 60 yards with nothing on his mindbut the rack hanging on the wall. I would never offer up my thoughts on such a topic without being asked. . .and try not to complain about it. I figure that I'll just have to hunt harder than that guy, and I'm ok with that.But if the question were "is it the same?" The answer isa resounding NO. Infact, it's not even close. Is it fair? Well, wait 'till it comes to your state. . .then you tell me.
I'm 18 and I use a crossbow. I started using a crossbow when I was 16 to introduce myself into ARCHERY hunting. You know, arrows..broadheads.. correct yardages.. the stuff ALL bow hunters use ;).

Seriously though, I love my crossbow and plan on hunting it with one the rest of my life. With that being said.. I plan on purchasing my first compound in the next year because I fell in love with archery hunting in general.

Remember that crossbows are not only intended to be used for the old and disabled. They are also great learning tools for young hunters (like me) to be introduced to the sport of archery.




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