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Now that was funny Jeff!!:D
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT If you want to understand it,and I mean really understand it, I "double dog dare" you to huntyour state for one and only one buck. Why in the hell would I agree to that.....or even entertain it? Really? Isn't this ridiculous? I may self-impose that on myself.....but it won't be because of an internet dare that seems kinda silly. As you have found killing does and fawns is like fishing for bluegills. Aman that fishes for muskies does it cause he likes fishing not cause he likes fish.[:-] # One you missed the point ,:eek: it was a joke ever seen the Christmas story? Dart Deer where the hell is that coming from?How many muskies have you caught?Released? Bluegills you got themcoverd. Did Germ shoot a buck this year?Did Buckeye shoot a buck this year? I honestly feel you have never spent much time hunting deer.[:o] A whole bunch of time killing deer but very few hoursof reallyhunting deer.[:o] |
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it was a joke ever seen the Christmas story? Dart Deer where the hell is that coming from?How many muskies have you caught?Released? Bluegills you got themcoverd. Did Germ shoot a buck this year?Did Buckeye shoot a buck this year? I honestly feel you have never spent much time hunting deer.[:o] A whole bunch of time killing deer but very few hoursof reallyhunting deer.[:o] |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I find myself looking for ways to ADD challenge to my hunting with the bow. I don't see this as a "stage" (just a teaser in the thread header).....and not even a "progression". Just something I find intriguing. I'll head into the woods with a longbow for deer this year.......and "possibly" for turkeys, too. I know if I take a bird with the compound this year.....it'll likely be my last with the wheelie bow....OR.....my last from a blind w/ the compound. I also see a day when my compoud bow sees little action......if any. I still see the taking of a whitetail deer......as a huge challenge and accomplishment....and this isn't meant to diminish that feat. With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? Of coruse you do thats why you asked "Why"  |
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Are you looking at new endeavors/challenges/etc....Jim (as in my question)....or did you just see a chance to lecture me, condemn my hunting, etc...?;)
I find myself looking for ways to ADD challenge to my hunting with the bow. I don't see this as a "stage" (just a teaser in the thread header).....and not even a "progression". Just something I find intriguing. I'll head into the woods with a longbow for deer this year.......and "possibly" for turkeys, too. I know if I take a bird with the compound this year.....it'll likely be my last with the wheelie bow....OR.....my last from a blind w/ the compound. I also see a day when my compoud bow sees little action......if any. I still see the taking of a whitetail deer......as a huge challenge and accomplishment....and this isn't meant to diminish that feat. With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? |
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it was a joke ever seen the Christmas story? Dart Deer where the hell is that coming from?How many muskies have you caught?Released? Bluegills you got themcoverd. Jim you gave an analogy of a man fishing for afish he had no intention of eating. If you can't see the correlation with darting deer.....I'm sorry. [/quote] How many deer that you killed that went in your families belly? Did Germ shoot a buck this year?Did Buckeye shoot a buck this year? What the hell's that got to do with me?.....OR this thread? I honestly feel you have never spent much time hunting deer.[:o] A whole bunch of time killing deer but very few hoursof reallyhunting deer.[:o] Jim....newsflash....I don't care how you hunt....and I really wonder why you care how I do. I don't hunt for your approval. Then why do you ask for it?[:-] |
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Then why do you ask for it?[:-] "Great"/"Buck-Free" years. I agree. If there's a silver lining to a cloud......that would be it. What did that have to do with this thread? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Then why do you ask for it?[:-] "Great"/"Buck-Free" years. I agree. If there's a silver lining to a cloud......that would be it. What did that have to do with this thread? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT it was a joke ever seen the Christmas story? Sorry to interrupt.... continue.... |
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And like sands through the hour glass so go the days of our lives.
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I've read through all this BS and can't for the life of me figure out why any of you have a problem with what Jeff is doing.... Why do you care if he wants to go trad? I mean really? Why type out a 20 line post about where you think another hunter is going wrong?
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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter As has been eluded to, challenges in bowhunting or any other sport can be pursued in different ways. For bowhunting purposes, changing equipment (i.e., compound vs. trad) is of course an option, but there are other ways to challenge yourself. What aboutplanning a DIY out-of-state hunt in the mountains in December, with nothing more than your gear and maybe a horse. That is tough to do, but worth it if you are successful. Another challenge would be to do all your own work on your bows and arrows. That takes alot of determination, but it is rewarding when you do it right. Try leaving the treestands at home and spot and stalk or use natural blinds. Tough, but it can be done. The options are endless if one continues to push the envelope and if that is what a man chooses to do then good for him but keep it in perspective, it is hunting afterall. |
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actually, this past fall i talked to a guy who is now attempting to take a whitetail with a spear. i don't think it gets much more primitive or challenging than that. I'm not quite sure whether or not it's legal for him to do but DANG.
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DC...I took it in th woods a couple times last fall. I can't describe the feeling you have even stepping into the woods with it (the LB). I also can't for the life of me figure out why that bothers the **** out of some people.;)
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I like to hunt deer. I gun hunt as well as bow hunt. I bow hunt mainly because it extends my time in the woods, almost 4 months. Gun hunting is usually only9 days. I don't pick my weapons based on challenge, I pick them because I like them. Sometimes I choose to use a certain gun based on the terrain I will be hunting. I use a high power, scoped rifle in open terrain and sometimes a pistol in thick, brushy terrain where the shot will be 30 yards or less. Sometimes the regulations dictate my choice..... shot gun, muzzle loader, pistol or rifle.
As for bows, I like compounds and recurves. Currently, I don't have a recurve but will get one some day. I've successfully used one in the past. I hunt for mature bucks because they fascinate me. They are challenging no matter what weapon you use. Personally, because of the short (20 yards or less) distances I shoot them at, compound or recurve wouldn't matter much to me. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT DC...I took it in th woods a couple times last fall. I can't describe the feeling you have even stepping into the woods with it (the LB). Just continue to do what makes you happy and brings you the most satisfaction. That's what its all about! |
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Wow still going huh??
2 things come to mind... 1) Jeff you only ask and title certain things as you do "For the Reaction" so don't be so surprised when you get it! ;) 2) VA Pleasedo not claim to be, my voice (the over 40 club who grew up hunting)! While I share your enthusiaism, our goals and desires are at way different ends of the rainbow! [&:] |
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Guilty as charged, Bob.....but it's meant to entice the thought process.....and not prod the lecture circuit crowd.
Greg....kudos. You hunt the way you want to.....for the reasons you choose. How could anyone have an issue with that? |
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Gr8, I never intended to be your voice. Sir, I may not be 40, but Im not that far off either.:D I don't remember how Iwas your " Voice" tell me how. Jeff, you are seeing where Im coming from about the connection to the weapon, it's not the challenge you are searching for, it's the connection to weapon that makes it feel right. I know you believe that deer hunting is a challenge any type. Gr8, did I ever insuate we were on the same page about hunting??
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I think that the romance of a traditional set-up is definitely appealing. However, as in every part of life, situation and circumstance plays a huge role. To be quite honest with you, bow hunting with a compound is challenging enough for me and it would honestly bother me if I took my recurve out to shoot a doe and that was the day a big buck came by and I couldn't shoot him b/c he was 25 or 30 yards off. That would upset me more than shooting a doe with the recurve would excite me. Personal fault of mine probably, but it is the way it is.
Attempting to spot and stalk with a compound is definitely difficult enough for me. Having to close that distance to 40 yards is very difficult for me. Having to close it to 20, well that would truly make my success rate low enough to bring me to a level of frustration where it might not be as fun. I do need to succeed sometimes to have fun. Just the way I am I guess. I certainly wish you luck in your endeavor Jeff. Kudos to you for wanting to give it a try. |
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As for my part in this, I have no excuses just a long work day followed by the fact of with this cast on my arm I can't even twist the top off of my own beer.[:o]
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Jeff, Im not telling you that you are wrong for taking up the trad bow, in fact when you posted that you were going to do it I said cool. I still can't believe that this has turned south for all of us. I just stated my opinion about using hunting as a mechanism or fuel to challenge yourself, whether that be gun, bow, knife whatever.. I just believe that hunting is more than just getting fix afor a challenge, it is who we are as men and or women and it connects all of us to our past as early man. You know I teach history and I have to teach about early man andhow hesurvived, which included hunting to stay alive. It is personal I know, but it is wrong to look at hunting soley as a challenge so we can feel we accomplished or overcame a challenge by killing something. For me it is way to connect to that, it is a challenge in itself already, there is nothing wrong broadening your horizons, I commend you for that, but are you hunting for the challenge or are you hunting because it is what stirs you? Do you what you want, use it for a challenge then, I still think it's wrong to use it to meet your goals as a challenge. I do not expect you to change your mind, nor do i want to change your mind. You asked how we felt about it, and I simply told you.
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BobCo, if you need to quit, then quit.. |
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I guess Deep Thoughts & Misinterpretations Forum would'nt fit so they just went with Bowhunting Forum for the title. By the way, any one have anything useful on that topic, actual bowhunting? No, oh well maybe tomorrow.;)
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if that's what you want, have at it...;)
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ORIGINAL: Vabowman if that's what you want, have at it...;)  |
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having fun!!!
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No true offense taken VA.. it's just right here..
I thinkyou couldlearn something from me and many otherson the hunting side of this tradtion if you were listen. Remember Jeff, guys like myself, Jim. Dan, Schultzy, can remember when deer were not so numerous, and when I was young and beginning I grabbed on to advice from the old guys and soaked it up. We have seen it when herds were much smaller 15-20 yrs ago So while we come from similiar backgrounds and home-raisings ;), our goals now have evolved differently. No right or wrong..just different. |
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ORIGINAL: Vabowman having fun!!! |
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 I guess Deep Thoughts & Misinterpretations Forum would'nt fit so they just went with Bowhunting Forum for the title. By the way, any one have anything useful on that topic, actual bowhunting? No, oh well maybe tomorrow.;) http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2754724 and three of us responded;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT If you don't like the answers you get when you post your questions. And because ofthat it turns into a 10 page war because you don't like what other people say. With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? Whitetails are a challenge no matter what weapon you choose. Even if I was a gun hunter I don't think I would ever need to come up with new challenges. You go out and see lots of deer and kill many but that isn't what it's all about. Just because you have that speedy compound in your hand doesn't make it a done deal. I know you know that becauseif I recall you have shot deer you didn't find right?If you want to go out with your longbow and shoot some deer go for it. Then come back and post a pic. Darrall |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: NEW61375 I guess Deep Thoughts & Misinterpretations Forum would'nt fit so they just went with Bowhunting Forum for the title. By the way, any one have anything useful on that topic, actual bowhunting? No, oh well maybe tomorrow.;) http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2754724 and three of us responded;) And another with few responses to the "actual" question at hand! A question asked by a new hunter on picking a spot for placing a treestand. http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/fb.aspx?m=2754162&key== |
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Gr8, I agree. Im different than you with goals, sure I like to kill big bucks, and i do once in a while, but I do it because im completely in awe of them, I like big racks too, but I personally don't hunt them because they are a challenge, I hunt them and other deer because I love to hunt, and i hunt for the whole aspect of being close to nature and what God has given us. I don't make it work or a job, if I kill a big buck, it's because Im blessed to do so and maybe some luck too. I do set goals as sometimes that goal is to kill a big buck, because they live here and I love big antlers, but to me, all deer are a challenge and I get the same high from any deer that I take. That's just my feeling. Like I said, I don't expect anyone to change their perspective, I just stated my take on it.;)
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ORIGINAL: Vabowman I like big racks |
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Not meant to knock you at all Jeff, but you did sort of answer your own question in the original post. My question is, does it necessarily have to be 'hard' to be enjoyable? I shot three does with the compund this year and loved every minute of it, it wasnt really too difficuly by any means, but it sure was enjoyable. But to each their own and if you want to get down to a loin cloth and a spear have at it my friend.;)
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[blockquote]quote: ORIGINAL: Germ [blockquote]quote: ORIGINAL: NEW61375 I guess Deep Thoughts & Misinterpretations Forum would'nt fit so they just went with Bowhunting Forum for the title. By the way, any one have anything useful on that topic, actual bowhunting? No, oh well maybe tomorrow.;) [/blockquote] A young hunter as a question yesterday http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2754724 and three of us responded;) [/blockquote] And another with few responses to the "actual" question at hand! A question asked by a new hunter on picking a spot for placing a treestand. http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/fb.aspx?m=2754162&key== Good points Germ Germ and GR8. I think I'll start looking for threads like thos more myself because I always get frustrated when I pose a hunting question and it's bumped of in an hour or two with little to no interest, so I can imagine that could be real frustrating to new guys who need the input far more than myself. Sorry not trying to hijack this gem of a thread. |
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Gosh GMMAT, this is hard to admit, but I understand where you are coming from.;)
First, I hunt with a bow and bow only because to me it is more a challenge. I don't do it to extend my season. I do it because it is the only form of huntingthat I enjoy anymore. My second weapon of choice is a camera. Why, because it is more a CHALLENGE than gun hunting. I have no desire to kill anything with a gun. I am not an elitist, or think I am better than anyone else, it just doesn't interest me anymore and I suspect never will again, whether it be a basket rack or a 200" trophy. I enjoy the outdoors and all those things that have been mentioned in the non competitive sense of hunting but if that was enough, why not just go out with the camera? Because I am a hunter first and a photographer second and I still find it more CHALLENGING to compound hunt rather than take pictures. I am one of those guys someone mentioned in this thread (Shultzy I think) that always talk about going trad but never follows through. Why? Because I have too many other priorities/interests and I do not practice enough to become proficient with the trad gear. But I do understand the desire and the CHALLENGE aspect of trad gear as compared to a compound and I commend all those who choose this route. Having said all that, I still think you are too quick to think you have and are killing the most mature deer in your area. As someone mentioned in this thread, learning this aspect of hunting is never ending. While you are right it is not rocket science, it also is not as haphazard as you think. I still suspect there is a lot more CHALLENGE left out there in finding bigger bucks in you existing areas than what you think. But because you will likely be shooting at less deer with trad gear, it might just be the thing that keeps you in the woods longer and disturbing them less to make this happen as well. |
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La-la-la, I'm not listening, la-la-la (eddie murphy)
I actually feel like I'm Rain Man, you remember when he held his ears and started screaming, that's me! Except it's not time for Jeoprody or cheese balls |
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I think this horse is dead!
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ED you liked this one huh?? You keep trying to get it going again. :D
Tell ya what, how about you post something thought provoking?? ;) |
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