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I still think it's wrong to hunt for the challenge. That's just me, not trying to convince anyone otherwise. It would be like telling someone to not vote for Obama b/c he is black, when in fact that is exactly why they may vote for him. Is it wrong? Yep, will I and have I told them? you bet. Does it change their mind? not in the least. Opinions, some are good some are bad, and some just don't matter, you need to figure out which one mine fits under..;)
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Theseis yourquote, VA.;)
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the first maybe me, the second absolutley not me.. Never called myself a trophy hunter. you need to research that one. and also, Im not telling in one on here how to hunt or for what reasons to hunt, Im just telling i think it is wrong to hunt for the challenge, I stand by my statement. Please go back and see if I wrote that second statement, if I did, then I will stand corrected. I just do not ever recall me saying I was a trophy hunter.
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Amended.
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Jeff what thread was that from? I don't believe I have ever said that I was a trophy hunter on this board ever. Did you find it??
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I already amended it.
I think you guys are trying to spin this into meaning something it doesn't come close to. I'm wanting to try some new things. If the intent of that is to challenge myself.....then so be it. I don't approach deer hunting the same way I do a game of billiards at the local watering hole. I've said it before....I'm not wired that way. MANY, MANY people have come into this forum and stated they were going to try different things to challenge themselves. It's how a lot of people tick. Does it mean I think this isn't challenging (what I'm doing, now)? No. I stated that in the thread opener, too. If you never raise the bar.......how do you know how high you can jump? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT If you never raise the bar.......how do you know how high you can jump? One buck and one doe? Would there be this question at all ? Would there be as many of you as there is now if your state was one & you are done ? |
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Where would the bar be if you were allowed one deer per year ? Would there be as many of you as there is now if your state was one & you are done ? |
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Jeff, in all due respect, I think many of us on here feel that you are pushing those limits too fast. Let it happen naturally. You were a duck hunter and you say were good at it, and you lost the love for it or didn't see as a challenge anymore?? I don't know. Anyway, I understand that being the best or going full steam ahead is how you tick, but this is bowhunting, not darts or any other hobbie, what is the rush? Take it in stride man, let all the peices come together on their own. You don't have to be the best at this, not that you said you wanted to be, but I know your personality, it's a lot like mine. I have not had this approach to hunting thank God, but I have with just about everything else in my life, bodybuilding, college, bass fishing, etc.. I just think and I believe I speak for many others, that you need to listen more and swallow some pride, man, most of us have been hunting deer a very long time, and we ask for advice and help alll the time, hell, I have asked for your opinion on many occassions. I listen to the people on here and if it something I don't agree with, then I let them know, and that's all I can do. But I wouldn't ask someone for their opinion and then not listen to their response. All I am saying Jeff is to realx man, this is supposed to be fun, yet taken seriously at the same time, but to try and achieve what you are trying to achieve in such a short amount of time is really just setting yourself up for burnout or major dissappointment. You and I have never had problems and this reply is not ment to start them now, but you can take it anyway you want, I respect what you have done in such a short time, but I also think you havemany more years to go before you understand completely how this brotherhood works.
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ORIGINAL: Vabowman First, brknarrow, Alla, Amen, !!!! you hit it on the head. Sooner, couldn't agree more. If someone wants to hunt with a recurve let them, they may see it as a challenge, but they may see it as a connection to the weapon. It's like saying that a compound is more challenging than a crossbow, is it? maybe, but then we get into elitism. It may be a connection the crossbow for someone . Do I think trad is harder than compunds, absolutlely and I say it on here often. I began shooting a bow at the age of 10, my first bow was a recurve, I could group well at 20 yds when I was 12. I picked up a compound when I was 14, and never went back. But I think if you ask Schultzy why he hunts with a trad bow, he will tell you that it's about the connection with the weapon, it just feels rightfor him to do it this way. Will he say it's more challenging? maybe, but he will also tell you that he is no more or less of a hunter b/c of his weapon. I really just don't of hunting for a challenge, I mean change it up, make it interesting if you have to, but don't say that you need a challenge out hunting. If you need a challenge, climb Everest!! I hunt with a recurve because it fits me much better as a hunter and who I am. I can't stand all the gadgets they have on these bows these days, but thats just me and I don't put down anyone else who uses them unless there going to take stabs at me then its game on.;) I use to hunt with a compound and I loved it. As time went on I wasn't enjoying it as much. When they came out with the releases and legalized them I said to myself I'm done with it. I personally didn't like the direction they were headed and I figured it was time to change it up. I've got some great friends that shoot compounds with all the gadgets on them, we goof around and poke fun at each other, thats what its all about! My dad has shot Traditional bows for years so for me switching over was pretty simple being I had a great mentor and I was also shooting these recurve's at 3 years old so It wasn't nothing new to me for shooting, Just new for hunting which is a big difference then just shooting these bows! I know its made me a better hunter being I'm more patient and smarter being I need them animals that much closer to me for shooting. I've still gotta figure out how to get them 4.5+ bucks from that 30 yard range to that 15 to 20 yard range.;) Any suggestions?? |
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I moved from where the ducks are....VA.....that's why I quit duck hunting.
After reading the rest of that post....I have no idea why I say anything. I should just post things and let you guys tell me what I mean.....lol:eek: And don't forget.....I've been hunting likely as long as you've been alive. The hunting"brotherhood" is not limited to deer hunters. |
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Ok, we can do that!!:D
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy ORIGINAL: Vabowman First, brknarrow, Alla, Amen, !!!! you hit it on the head. Sooner, couldn't agree more. If someone wants to hunt with a recurve let them, they may see it as a challenge, but they may see it as a connection to the weapon. It's like saying that a compound is more challenging than a crossbow, is it? maybe, but then we get into elitism. It may be a connection the crossbow for someone . Do I think trad is harder than compunds, absolutlely and I say it on here often. I began shooting a bow at the age of 10, my first bow was a recurve, I could group well at 20 yds when I was 12. I picked up a compound when I was 14, and never went back. But I think if you ask Schultzy why he hunts with a trad bow, he will tell you that it's about the connection with the weapon, it just feels right for him to do it this way. Will he say it's more challenging? maybe, but he will also tell you that he is no more or less of a hunter b/c of his weapon. I really just don't of hunting for a challenge, I mean change it up, make it interesting if you have to, but don't say that you need a challenge out hunting. If you need a challenge, climb Everest!! I hunt with a recurve because it fits me much better as a hunter and who I am. I can't stand all the gadgets they have on these bows these days, but thats just me and I don't put down anyone else who uses them unless there going to take stabs at me then its game on.;) I use to hunt with a compound and I loved it. As time went on I wasn't enjoying it as much. When they came out with the releases and legalized them I said to myself I'm done with it. I personally didn't like the direction they were headed and I figured it was time to change it up. I've got some great friends that shoot compounds with all the gadgets on them, we goof around and poke fun at each other, thats what its all about! My dad has shot Traditional bows for years so for me switching over was pretty simple being I had a great mentor and I was also shooting these recurve's at 3 years old so It wasn't nothing new to me for shooting, Just new for hunting which is a big difference then just shooting these bows! I know its made me a better hunter being I'm more patient and smarter being I need them animals that much closer to me for shooting. I've still gotta figure out how to get them 4.5+ bucks from that 30 yard range to that 15 to 20 yard range.;) Any suggestions?? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Where would the bar be if you were allowed one deer per year ? Would there be as many of you as there is now if your state was one & you are done ? Growing up here in PA thats how it was you got one tag as in one deer and your done. My point being we had not the opportunity to use deer as study objects, as to find out if we liked killing them with bats ,bows orbullets . It was a time consuming and very rewarding way to hunt. And many choices that were made were carefully thought out well in advance making any success a very rewarding accomplishment. |
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ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool ORIGINAL: Schultzy ORIGINAL: Vabowman First, brknarrow, Alla, Amen, !!!! you hit it on the head. Sooner, couldn't agree more. If someone wants to hunt with a recurve let them, they may see it as a challenge, but they may see it as a connection to the weapon. It's like saying that a compound is more challenging than a crossbow, is it? maybe, but then we get into elitism. It may be a connection the crossbow for someone . Do I think trad is harder than compunds, absolutlely and I say it on here often. I began shooting a bow at the age of 10, my first bow was a recurve, I could group well at 20 yds when I was 12. I picked up a compound when I was 14, and never went back. But I think if you ask Schultzy why he hunts with a trad bow, he will tell you that it's about the connection with the weapon, it just feels rightfor him to do it this way. Will he say it's more challenging? maybe, but he will also tell you that he is no more or less of a hunter b/c of his weapon. I really just don't of hunting for a challenge, I mean change it up, make it interesting if you have to, but don't say that you need a challenge out hunting. If you need a challenge, climb Everest!! I hunt with a recurve because it fits me much better as a hunter and who I am. I can't stand all the gadgets they have on these bows these days, but thats just me and I don't put down anyone else who uses them unless there going to take stabs at me then its game on.;) I use to hunt with a compound and I loved it. As time went on I wasn't enjoying it as much. When they came out with the releases and legalized them I said to myself I'm done with it. I personally didn't like the direction they were headed and I figured it was time to change it up. I've got some great friends that shoot compounds with all the gadgets on them, we goof around and poke fun at each other, thats what its all about! My dad has shot Traditional bows for years so for me switching over was pretty simple being I had a great mentor and I was also shooting these recurve's at 3 years old so It wasn't nothing new to me for shooting, Just new for hunting which is a big difference then just shooting these bows! I know its made me a better hunter being I'm more patient and smarter being I need them animals that much closer to me for shooting. I've still gotta figure out how to get them 4.5+ bucks from that 30 yard range to that 15 to 20 yard range.;) Any suggestions?? |
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My point being we had not the opportunity to use deer as study objects, as to find out if we liked killing them with bats ,bows orbullets . It was a time consuming and very rewarding way to hunt. And many choices that were made were carefully thought out well in advance making any success a very rewarding accomplishment. The fact that I have multiple tags and abundant targets has likely sped up the process of me wanting to try new things. It's like people expect me to apologize for that. I don't understand it. Answer this for me.... If you started a poll, right now....and asked people why they bowhunt vs. gun hunt? Why they let 1.5 yr olds pass in favor of mature bucks? Why they hunt without a blind vs. with a blind? Why they won't shoot a jake? What would be the main reason cited???? |
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool ORIGINAL: Schultzy ORIGINAL: Vabowman First, brknarrow, Alla, Amen, !!!! you hit it on the head. Sooner, couldn't agree more. If someone wants to hunt with a recurve let them, they may see it as a challenge, but they may see it as a connection to the weapon. It's like saying that a compound is more challenging than a crossbow, is it? maybe, but then we get into elitism. It may be a connection the crossbow for someone . Do I think trad is harder than compunds, absolutlely and I say it on here often. I began shooting a bow at the age of 10, my first bow was a recurve, I could group well at 20 yds when I was 12. I picked up a compound when I was 14, and never went back. But I think if you ask Schultzy why he hunts with a trad bow, he will tell you that it's about the connection with the weapon, it just feels rightfor him to do it this way. Will he say it's more challenging? maybe, but he will also tell you that he is no more or less of a hunter b/c of his weapon. I really just don't of hunting for a challenge, I mean change it up, make it interesting if you have to, but don't say that you need a challenge out hunting. If you need a challenge, climb Everest!! I hunt with a recurve because it fits me much better as a hunter and who I am. I can't stand all the gadgets they have on these bows these days, but thats just me and I don't put down anyone else who uses them unless there going to take stabs at me then its game on.;) I use to hunt with a compound and I loved it. As time went on I wasn't enjoying it as much. When they came out with the releases and legalized them I said to myself I'm done with it. I personally didn't like the direction they were headed and I figured it was time to change it up. I've got some great friends that shoot compounds with all the gadgets on them, we goof around and poke fun at each other, thats what its all about! My dad has shot Traditional bows for years so for me switching over was pretty simple being I had a great mentor and I was also shooting these recurve's at 3 years old so It wasn't nothing new to me for shooting, Just new for hunting which is a big difference then just shooting these bows! I know its made me a better hunter being I'm more patient and smarter being I need them animals that much closer to me for shooting. I've still gotta figure out how to get them 4.5+ bucks from that 30 yard range to that 15 to 20 yard range.;) Any suggestions?? |
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No Jeff, I commended you for your success from the start. But, what if you lose that property and have to hunt a place that isn't rich in "targets" ? will you go back to another way of hunting? Will be so ready to change up or make it more challenging. Im not knocking you for trying different strategies or options, it just sounds like you have become bored with hunting so fast that you are searching for something new to keep you fueld. This is what someone else said on here, don't recall, but they mentioned burnout. If you are in such a hurry or you have to change styles of hunting every so often after only 3 yrs, then what else will there be in 5-10 yrs??
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT My point being we had not the opportunity to use deer as study objects, as to find out if we liked killing them with bats ,bows orbullets . It was a time consuming and very rewarding way to hunt. And many choices that were made were carefully thought out well in advance making any success a very rewarding accomplishment. The fact that I have multiple tags and abundant targets has likely sped up the process of me wanting to try new things. It's like people expect me to apologize for that. I don't understand it. I "double dog dare" you to huntyour state for one and only one buck. Then if you so choose to shoot that "one" buck in another state such as here in PAyou can Challenge yourself once again.;) As you have found killing does and fawns is like fishing for bluegills. Aman that fishes for muskies does it cause he likes fishing not cause he likes fish.[:-] |
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No Jeff, I commended you for your success from the start. But, what if you lose that property and have to hunt a place that isn't rich in "targets" ? will you go back to another way of hunting? Will be so ready to change up or make it more challenging. Im not knocking you for trying different strategies or options, it just sounds like you have become bored with hunting so fast that you are searching for something new to keep you fueld. This is what someone else said on here, don't recall, but they mentioned burnout. If you are in such a hurry or you have to change styles of hunting every so often after only 3 yrs, then what else will there be in 5-10 yrs?? VA....YOU KNOW I just got new hunting land.....about 300+acres of it. How's that.....brand new land.....to add to the challenge? You guys read what I type and then say what you want.......ya kill me...ya really do.:D I'm not changing my style....I'm adding a new dimension. And do you REALLY think I'm "bored" with hunting? Really? |
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If you want to understand it,and I mean really understand it, I "double dog dare" you to huntyour state for one and only one buck. Why in the hell would I agree to that.....or even entertain it? Really? Isn't this ridiculous? I may self-impose that on myself.....but it won't be because of an internet dare that seems kinda silly. As you have found killing does and fawns is like fishing for bluegills. Aman that fishes for muskies does it cause he likes fishing not cause he likes fish.[:-] |
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Making way too much of nothing. Everything does not have to be competetion.
I hunt for FUN and Fun only!! The food is not bad either;) If you want/need a challenge go try out for the Olympics:D Or you could hunt with a spear and a knife:eek: Dan |
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What do these guys have in common ?
A clue, They don't fish for bluegills.;) Matt/PA, Mike Hunsucker, GregH , you know the pattern. I'm outta here,have a great one,Jim |
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If you don't like the answers you get when you post your questions. And because ofthat it turns into a 10 page war because you don't like what other people say. Then why bother posting any questions at all?
Jeff you have a ton of deer in your area. If you want to kill some with a longbow or recurve go for it. Who cares what anyone else thinks? You have lots of deer so sounds like a good learning experiance to me. Until you get bored with it anyhow ;). Fling away!!! Darrall |
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If you don't like the answers you get when you post your questions. And because ofthat it turns into a 10 page war because you don't like what other people say. With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? |
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ORIGINAL: MC Bowhunter If you don't like the answers you get when you post your questions. And because ofthat it turns into a 10 page war because you don't like what other people say. Then why bother posting any questions at all? Dan |
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Again most shots are 20 yards and in. If you can hit the bull with your long bow well at 20 yards you have challenged yourselfto the nill in the deer woods. It's not "Rocket Science". If a 100 inch buck is a good trophy in your area then hunt for a 125. Thats a challenge and you will be dying to pull a compound or long bow back after a couple of months into your quest. All hypethetically speaking of course.
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Chris....I'll be hunting new land this fall. I never complained about the old land....and I'll still hunt it.....but when I told about the size of a good buck here.....everybody said to find new land.
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Jeff, I spoke my "peace" maybe Im wrong, but when you say you need to add challenge to bowhunting only after 3 yrs, it does sound like you are bored with it. Im not going to take this any further, there is no point, I still say you need to listen more and be humbleand you may find that people will not disagree with you so much. I agree with a lot of what you say, and you know that b/c Im the first to say it, and I know you don't agree with much of what I say, but I learned a few things from you on the tech side, yet, somehow, I thinkyou couldlearn something from me and many otherson the hunting side of this tradtion if you were listen. Remember Jeff, guys like myself, Jim. Dan, Schultzy, can remember when deer were not so numerous, and when I was young and beginning I grabbed on to advice from the old guys and soaked it up. We have seen it when herds were much smaller 15-20 yrs ago, and yes, it far worse than that 40 yrs ago. So , for some of the older guys on here to read your post about adding a challenge to your hunting only after 3 yrs is somewhat arrogant to them. Choose to hunt in different ways all you want, noone will bash that, just don't say that you need more of a challenge b/c it sounds like you feel you have mastered something, I m just telling you how it may sound.
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Jeff, go find the song "Dreams to Remember". (The Molly Hatchet version) Listen to this, if you care to. Then you may see where I was coming from.
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With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? I am not looking for anyhting, because it's all ready there for me. It's the fact of the Unknown that drives me. Weather I take a long bow, x-bow, or compound I have no idea how the hunt will turn out. I keep coming back, because every year I find out, I really don't know diddle:) |
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ORIGINAL: Germ With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? I am not looking for anyhting, because it's all ready there for me. It's the fact of the Unknown that drives me. Weather I take a long bow, x-bow, or compound I have no idea how the hunt will turn out. I keep coming back, because every year I find out, I really don't know diddle:)  |
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ORIGINAL: buckeye ORIGINAL: Germ With all the technology flooding our passtime (bowhunting)......who is lookingat new endeavors/challenges/etc.... and explain them.....and "why"? I am not looking for anyhting, because it's all ready there for me. It's the fact of the Unknown that drives me. Weather I take a long bow, x-bow, or compound I have no idea how the hunt will turn out. I keep coming back, because every year I find out, I really don't know diddle:)
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I thank you got it Germ, damn it must be nice being smart!!!;)
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Germ's post is the first that I can think of on this thread that refers more to "I" than "you" ...I think just about everyone else is too fixed on justifying their performance in the eyes of others. There is only one person in my mirror. What stage of hunter am I? The lovin it stage....hope I never get past that.
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So , for some of the older guys on here to read your post about adding a challenge to your hunting only after 3 yrs is somewhat arrogant to them. Choose to hunt in different ways all you want, noone will bash that, just don't say that you need more of a challenge b/c it sounds like you feel you have mastered something, I m just telling you how it may sound. If people feel the way you describe.....then I guess I understand why I got the afternoon lecture. If you took it that way.....your read into it. It wasn't my intention.;) |
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Thank God it's finally over!
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It is Ed.....
We can go back topostinginformative posts on the "describe the poster above you thread", now.;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT It is Ed..... We can go back topostinginformative posts on the "describe the poster above you thread", now.;) What the hell did you mean by that? :) Is that some competition thingy??!!?? Who can post the best - hah?! |
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