I have a very good archery friend doing some serious research for me on this, what are your thoughts??

I love these two bows. I would take either if I could. I personally would probably get the black Ice for myself. I like the shorter axle to axle length. I do a lot of walking to get to my stands so that is important to me. They both are absolutely beautiful bows though.

Im a little concerned about the loss of KE i will deal with though. I will shoot somewhere around 58-59# of KE with the Ice. Compared to 73# KE right now with the X force. should I be comncerned? Is 58 # of KE good enough???

Va, I have the Black Ice and it will be easier to handle more poundage than the XForce because it is very smooth and 80% letoff. I shoot 69lbs and it is like butter. My KE is pretty goodI think.

lknchoppers, what is your arrow weight total??

Va, the total weight is 403 grains. The bow is 30" draw length andI get 280 fps out of this setup.

I would look a the Marquis if you are looking for of KE. I shoot 402 grain arrow at 270 fps @ 28" draw at 60 lbs I get 65 lb of KE! And 75% let off. Lets say I would shoot the same setup as LKNCHOPPERS I would get around 295 FPS and 77.7 LB of KE!! This bow is very smooth drawing Plus I like the length of the Marquis 34 1/2 in ATA. And it has a nice BH.

EDIT: LKNCHOPPERS you are getting 70 lb of KE with your setup.

Vabowman What draw length and poundage do you shoot?

I thought I read in a previous post that you ironed everything out with the X-Force and loved it. Are you getting rid of the X, and why? I was just curious because I had an X-Force very briefly, but couldn't get used to the lack of valley on the bow. So I traded it in on a different bow.

the X Force is just too harsh, I can't get into it anymore. I have been set up for a 26" draw, but im not too sure that's correct, if I measure my wing span from middle finger tip to tip across the back and divide by 2.5 will this give the most accurate measurement??