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Why does everyone not shoot COC broadheads? Please explain.

LT

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Because they don't (to my knowledge) make one as big as the one I shoot......with the same flight characteristics I demand.

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Because I don'tHAVE to.

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Because mechanicals are safer (no exposed blades) to travel with in a bow case with the rest of my gear.

Because replaceable blades are more convenient than sharpening if you don't know how to sharpen or have the proper tools.

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For all practical purposes though, wouldn't they give better penetration?

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If you consider 6" into the dirt better than 5.5" then yes, probably.

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Better? Yes, but how much more do you need on a deer?

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Not that I need more penetration Kodiak. I use the Slick Tricks with success. I have just heard from others that a COC head gives better penetration. If it's better, why not shoot it? That's all I'm asking. Good point though.

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i might make the switch...thinking either montec, stingers, or snuffers of maybe one of the new slick tricks...(they do have a new COC) for next season...i know i dont NEED something tougher than a muzzy...the thin blades and alumanum ferrule kinda has me worried...takes ALOT to bust em...and i know that...only one i broke i shot into a shouvle lol...but it looked like it was tied to a stick of dynamite...it was ugly..could tell the blades and alumanum ferrule were the weak links..bone on a deer? nah shouldnt be an issue....but i think i want bigger, thicker, tougher heads...and sharper...(leather strope on a nice thick head...i'll use them to shave!)

i just know its gunna take some work to get a head the size of a 125gr stinger or snuffer to fly...i didnt get to look at montecs real close but they looked a little thin to me...might goto slick tricks..or their COC they are coming out with...believe STs have thicker blades and steel ferrules...

i want something thats gunna blow a very very deadly hole, bust the bone if its in its path, and when i smack the rock on the pass through, my head doesnt completely crumble like it was plastic...yes, i know...im shooting a 150lb deer....maybe i have "magnumitus" in the bowhunting/broadhead world lol...if/when i buy a new bow...it might be one of the screaming fast ones....shooting a 500+gr arrow that will pack more KE than some deer rifles! :D ;) :) just like to have it..lol...

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In the vast majority of cases yes a cut on contact head will give you the best penetration. However, penetration is only one factor in killing an animal. You want good penetration coupled with maximum tissue damage. Good penetration cutting less tissue doesn't do much good.

With the speed and efficiency of today's bows it is hard to argue that you can't get good penetration with most of the modern broadheads out of a well tuned bow. So, you want to make sure you get maximum tissue damage with that penetration which usually means a wider cut and/or more blades. Since most COC heads are longer in the ferrule that means more to steer the arrow off course. This is why I don't shoot them. I like as big of a cut as I can get out of my set up.

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GENERALLY speaking, yes. Which is why I recommend them for youngsters shooting low poundage.....But I pass through 90% of my deer anyway.....can't get any better penetration than that. The way I see it, every broadhead is TECHNICALLY cut on contact. It's not like they're blunt nosed pushing their way through.....Even a trocar tip is cutting....They just aren't classified as a "traditional" COC head.....

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I could make a STRONG case for a larger cutting surface being "Better".;)

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Not really talking exit wounds, but entrance. If that makes any sense. Maybe not.

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You lost me on that one LT. What are you referring to on the entrance?

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Ability to cut, rather than poke a hole in the animal. Does that make sense Huntingbry?

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LT....the huge wounds I've been showing you in my photos ARE the entrance wounds.:D

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Jeff, simmons has a 2" COC called the tree shark!!! Weighs in at a nice light 190 gr. and knowing simmons it probably wieghs more than that!! Usually 5-10gr. heavier than stated.

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So, you are saying that the penetration of cutting directly into the animal upon impact is advantageous to a head that punches through the hide like a chisel tip. Is that correct?

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Granted this is not an actual animal I did this withbut shooting different COC heads side by side withthe short heads like the slick trick the ST style heads consistantly out penetrate COC heads by a couple of inchesin arcehry targets.

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Jeff, do you know what that little razor blade tip on your Rage makes it? It's a COC/expandable. Hello????

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So is a rage a COC or an expandable, LT? Just for clarification.

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Just my observation. I have no experience with COC.

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It is both Jeff.

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Here is my feeling on that point. Many heads, especially some of the chisel tip heads seem to leave very large entrance wounds, larger than there actual diameter. This tells me that before going into the hide it is pushing it in and then cutting, then passing through the vitals (hopefully) and then out the other side. If this is the case, that is the head I want to shoot. You are passing completely through the animal, but getting increased tissue damage at the point of impact, maximum tissue damage to the major organs, and a liberal exit wound. This means, a lot of damage, a quick kill, and an easy to follow blood trail. As long as you are passing through, I'll take the big nasty entrance over the smaller cleanly cut entrance.

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This has been my eperience as well (on a Morrell block target). I have shot one other broadhead that out-penetrated the ST. It was a G5 Striker. I could never get it to fly as well as the ST though.

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I can see this clearly Huntingbry. Thanks for the input.

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I have shot rocket sidewinders, Magnus stingers, g-5 strikers, rage, TH, muzzy, and rky mtn gators in the last 6 years- Killed deer with all of them

One of things everyone forgets to mention is targets - the strikers, and magnus will flat out eat up a target

I shoot expandables now the gator which is simliar to the rage - I loved the buzzcut stinger broaheads - as well -

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Jeff, I would like to see some pics ofexit wounds if you have them...

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No problem. This is why you are able to see such devastating entrance wounds from Rages, and the old Punchcutters I used to use.

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It surprizes me that you couldnt get the Striker to fly well.They flew like field points for me. Im going to use them on deer next season for sure.

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Flight was only part of it (small part). Mine were noisy in flight as well.

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I didnt notice noise but I will check now.Did you shoot them with blazers?

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Comparing a COC to a bullet point head. I will never shoot a chisel (bullet point head) because its pushing and not cutting. I'm shooting a 1 1/4 cutting diameter 3 blade COC head with my recurve which is much slower then all of you guy's compounds you shoot and 90% to 95% of the time I get pass throughs. Reason being is COC. If I shot a chisel point I wouldn't have the same pass throughs all the time.

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Shown is a "typical" rage exit wound.

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I have had great luck with my heads and they are chisel point, they have been great on all north american game. A long time ago I considered the COC heads when I first started hunting with a bow but after making a bow hunt for a week in south texas and taking three large pigs with pretty thick sheilds, I came to the undisputed decision I was sticking with my heads. That has been 10 years ago and they have never failed to do their job. I am not one to change just b/c something new is out, so I have never thought about it again. I would consider a COC b/h if I were to go hunting in Africa and hunting a really tough skinned animal. Other than that sticking with what I know and trust....

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Very true schultzy, I would only shoot a COC with a recurve or longbow.

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Like you said in your other post stick with what works!!;)

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As I will on the end of my trad arrow.

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impressive Jeff. Do you have any of the bucks you killed with the exit wounds showing?? I can't really see that as good as I would like.

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Seriously - do you guys think broadheads really matter that much?

Honestly, the King's broadhead shopping consists of a few minutes in the broadhead aisle at Gander Mountain... Just see what's on sale.... and grab a six-pack of something cheap and go check out. Whatev. Go home and see how they shoot in the block. Adjust the sights if need be. Hunt.

The King broke the bank this year and bought expensive heads (Montecs) b/c he had a gift card to burn. He admits, they were sexy. But he'd have been equally happy with a standard six-pack of Muzzy's or Thunderheads.

If the King spent as much time as some of you folksfretting about his broadheads, he'd be as bald as Germ.

One of these days, the King is gonna play a little bit of mythbusters and do some exhaustive broadhead research. He really wants to shoot a deer with these two heads, just to see what happens.





I swear, the archery gods would roll over in their graves if they saw some of the broadheads I've used to shoot deer. Let's just say I was broke as a joke when I was a kid- andwhen you're po', youuse whatever is available.

Put it this way: I once cut myself pretty bad while trying to sharpen a Kolpin Twister on a bench grinder. LMAO