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GR8 is correct, there is no P&Y qualifier.

Read..... Expect the same results.


You could say it's based on ones hunting skills. If you want to make it about hunting mature deer, that's fine also. I think it would be fair to say that a guy who consistantly kills good bucks from his areas, year after year, has some finely honed hunting skills. There are a lot of these guys on this site. I believe that you could put these guys in anyones spots and they'd quickly learn it and have success. They may even have equal or better success than guys that are still relatively new to the sport in their own areas!

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Fair enough. So I'll ask like I did back on page 1.

What's the learning curve? Equal?

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So GMMAT, are you saying all hunters are equal, the only difference is quality of land access?

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OMG too funny!!!! Im in tears right now, and not because of zipper pain :D

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No.

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There are some fine deer hunters on this site. There also are some real lucky deer hunters on this site. And then there are some that don't know the difference.[:-]

There are guys that try really hard but will never get the job done,and then there are those that buy winning lottery tickets on their way to kill a great buck.:eek:

I feel the hunter is the biggest part of the equation,a great hunter is going to get it done in the worst of locations.;)

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I said this all the way back on the first page BBM. This is what I'm saying.

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So you're saying you don't think anyone could come into your woods and get the same results.I'd say you'd be right part of the time and wrong the rest. There would be hunters on here that would be just as successful, maybe more so.

There could also be those that would get skunked.

Throw in the learning curve though, and the success percentage would go up.

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i would say that if you hunt in the stands that are already up you would have similar results....:D

But if not, then it would take someone a while to learn the property and how the deer act on it

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There is no doubt to kill Big Bucks you need to be where Big Bucks live, however to think that one can change their location andhave the same success as another,is a delusional assumption for many, I dont care how much time they get.
If I give 2 people the same archery equipment are they going to shoot the same scores? I think not!
It's the same with hunting no matter what State your in, there are always a few bowhunters that stand out as better at what they do, thats just the way it is.
Sure changing location increases the odds, but until you walk the walk, or done the deed, its just a dream to assume one willdo as well as some others!
Some might, Others wont.
It's why some write Books, while others spend money to read them!

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Andy DANG IT![:@]Spit my Energy drink picturing you.

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Jeff I'm not arguing with you. You have alot of location threads,whats your point? There are alot of big deer in the midwest. There are alot of big bass (10lbs +)in the SE. That doesn't make my 5lb bass caught here any less of an accopmlishment in my eyes. If you want to kill a big deer, come on out, we have them behind every tree.[8D]

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Sliver this is pretty much exactly what I said in my post but in different words. I can't figure out why some people on here thinks he can get er done if in the right spot. Way easier said then done. If I didn't share the land I hunt with my brother I would love to bring someone up here and have them have there way and see what they can do. Allot of points would be made with some folks I think. With my luck they would probably score right away and make me look dumb!!;);)

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Ok, where i hunt if you get a deer in bow range you better take the shot, Ive got some good bucks but there not in the numbers, i have one border line P & Y that i knew of last season. but its hard to even kill a doe for me.... Last year i killed 1 deer... a spike.

So let me ask this, Jeff has invited me to his place this upcoming year,(At least last i checked, correct me ifI'm wrong jeff i dont wanna sound blunt.) Now if he gives me no knowledge of where the deer are gonna be, where i should sit, what i should ware, etc.... Are you saying that my odds of killing a deer will not go up?

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I might belucky/good enoughand kill as good a deer on someone elses spot.

One of my favorite things in hunting is figuring out new pieces of property, and to be honest it takes a couple of seasons for me to really lock it in. Mainly because I'm still hunting properties I already know well.

If you were to say ok you get five days to hunt this property. I would proably scout two and hunt three.

If I was only able to step on the land from the first day of the season I scout for at least a week,after going over topo's and ariel photo's.

If I could start scouting now for a fall hunt I'd say my chances would be greatly increased of competeing with the person on their own spot.

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I don't think Jeff is gonna let ya run willy nilly around his woods stinking up the joint ;). I like your odds!

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honestly why would you think this thraed was a contnuation of your thread especially when Greg stated a pretty straight forward question upfront?

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Yes probably true, but for thread purposes, this was sighted in the father of the thread:

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The very first word.... Even if you did....

It didnt say "what if you", or "if you hunted on another HNI'er"...etc.

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It really depends on the amount of time the other guy can spend on the property and how good he really is.

I would love to take 10 guys on a large piece of property none of them have ever hunted before, give them three days to scout ,and five to hunt and see what the results were the last day. Sightings and deer killed.

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That was straight forward to me.

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If you put two "hunters" on the same babe infested beach and one guy had 2 years experience and the other guy had 20, my money would be on the experienced guy. It's not about seeing them, it's about bagging one of them!! LMAO!! [:-];)

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GregH, what days in November should I plan my vacation days?:D Keep in mind I'm going on a Mule deer trip the week after Thanksgiving! :D

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Whats the better location for that babe beach..the shores of NC or up north on Lake Erie or Superior.

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Ours grow a little bigger up here in this cold climate.[:-]

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I'd have to go with the southern babe. A lot of the northern ones have quite the layer of blubber to fight the cold! Not all of them though!

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If I gave you the same set of golf clubs as Tiger Woods could you golf as good as him? Miles Keller said "When a bow hunter is working on a big whitetail, the most effective hunting tool he has is his brain." As the saying goes : The cream rises to the top. Most of the people who consistantly kill trophy deer do so because they are the cream. If you are successful where you are, you would be successful hunting someone elses spots.If you argue that you don't have quality spots who's fault is that? I will bet (I don't know gregh) that greg doesn't sit around b1tching that all the land around him is private and he doesn't have anywhere to hunt! I also believe that 90%+ of the people given an opertunity on good hunting land would screw it up.

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We think allot alike ,you were just a littlequicker on the draw.[:o]

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Not tryingto keep the beach parable going... but im going too..:Dok I see this either way, really, If Greg spent 20 years at the beach in Maine, and come down to "deer" hunt at GMMAT's beach in Panama, Odds are in your favor Greg, your not going to have any problem with a P & Y*

But now take that same experience at 2 reletively similar beaches... IDK for example Greg has 20+ years experience at VA Beach, Jeff has 2 Years experience at Myrtle, now you(Greg) come down to myrtle, your gonna find the numbers, but Jeff's 2 years is gonna stomp your 20 when it comes to clubbin' time.... Make sense? ....Location

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Forget it I am not going to the Wisconsin Dells after these comments!:D

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[ol][*]If I'm hunting a target rich enviroment and you want any deer dead. I think I could but as many on the deer poll as the other hunter. My son's 17 and he killed six this year, no problem. There are a ton of deer around.[*]If I'm hunting with a guy that only shoots 140 class and better and there aren't that many around. No. In two -three seasons yes. Unless I could scout the area long before the season starts.Them my chances are better.[*]You put me onabig parcel 15,000 acres or more it will take me a long time to produce consistently. This because I'm still not smart enough to take that 15,000 acres and and just concentrate on the best two thousand from looking at maps topo/ariel.[*][/ol]

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Don't kid yourself, the experienced guy will find the best clubs (location) to suit his needs!

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I think the answer has to do with several factors. One the location. I couldn't go into Troy's mountain terrain and expect to be on the big boys he hunts simply because that terrain is so foreign to me. If I went to Rob's spot, I'd have a much better chance because that is like my own back yard. Two the HNIer in question. There are some guys on this board that I am fairly certain that no matter how much time I spent on their property that I would not see the same success without their help. They know their land and deer better than I could hope to on my own. On the other hand, there are some guys on here that have some great property and know a thing or two about hunting, but having hunted some of the difficult areas I have and been successful I feel I could hunt their property and have as much if not more success than them. There really are too many variables to answer the question definitively.

Now, if you'll excuse me I somehow got the beans above the frank.

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I don't care what beach it is, if Greg and Jeff are both there it might be worth the trip just to watch them rub lotion on each other.

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[:'(]

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Maybe an Antelope hunt could be arranged.[:-]

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Perfect example. Yes. Your odds of killing deer ARE going to go up.;)

Given the same amount of time (equal learning curves).....your odds of taking the SAME deer will be "equal". This isn't rocket science.

The HNI community is not your "average" group of hunters.

Common ground.;)

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Jeff I think location has to be part of the learning curve as well as time on stand. I can't learn about big buck behavior if I'm not around big bucks. To me, and this is just my opinion, I have to experience hunting big bucks to learn about them. I see plenty of does and immature bucks but I can't learn how to hunt the big boys by sticking arrows in the little guys. When the time comes for me to experience land that has a population of P&Y deerI think,(and I honestly don't know because I haven't been there), that I will have to experience a new "learning curve". I think I'll need to learn new tactics because I'm after new prey. Having not hunted mature deer I could very well be wrong but I just don't think so.

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Well what if I only hunted feeders or food plots and then had to go the the Adirondacks? Or I had never hunted out west or thick river bottoms etc. Or I was a swamp hunter and then had to go and hunt the plains?