Need a little help to support bowtech....!
 

Ok....so i go into my local bowshop....I personaly know the owner and he is awesome.

I mention bowtech and ask why he doesnt carry them anymore......he simply says "Theyre crap now" He says that they used to make good bows and now he says they have design flaws and every new one brought into his shop has had cam problems.....he said that all of the screws and bolts that hold the cam together have been an issue and have fallen out when they were shot. He even has tried to loc tite them but they have still fallen out. SO he doesnt sell them and doesnt promote them.....I just dont know if its a coincidence and every one hes had in his shop, (note that he doesnt sell them) has had issues. According to him bowtech USED -to be a great company and they USED have good products. Now everyone i have shot i have been pleased with......I really like the guy and couldnt buy a bow from anywhere but him so i really want him to carry them......

Any help is appreciated!!!

THANKS!

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Go into a hoyt shop and ask why they dont sell matthews... go into a matthews and ask why they dont sell hoyt, go into a bowtech and ask why they dont sell pse....etc... thats my theory..

Its all about the marketing...

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I agree, but he said that he used to carry them though so i dont know

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The theory holds true. It's a line of BS that he gave you.

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Idk I personally know the bowtech dealer I go through and I haven't heard anything like that from anyone buying new bows from there. He deals Bowtech, PSE, Alpine, and others and trys to promote them equally but bowtech seems to be performing much better than the other companies and its what the customers want. Back to the question thats kinda scary that thats happening there compared to other places and they lost a good company because of it. What kind of bow does your owner personally shoot?

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What bows does he sell now?

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As an engineer by day I will just state my "opinion". Even though I am a Hoyt guy I now well enough matthews, bowtech and all the others still make sweet bows.

An engineering philosophy....As new designs come out and changes are made companies undergo flaws during the initial design phase...(((they hope to catch them in the prototype phase)))..In order for a company to learn on how they need to improve their design they need to make mistakes..in turn...they can react and correct the cause of the problem.

My guess would be that...Bowtech has a problem hidden in their design that "some" customers may experience.....The flaw may only be seen at1500 arrows or on certain models...I do not have any doubt that Bowtech will correct their issue and move forward...all the big bow makers suffer the same thing.....Its like my situation....I had a Matthews 32 that ate strings like crazy...so I sold and bought a Hoyt and had zero problems...I think the experiences lay within each hunters experience...but the final outcome is "all" of the big bow makers make sweet bows....My engineering sense...and only my opinion.

Its possible Bowtech is seeing a problem they just didn't catch during prototype....remember.....its a competitive market and the rate at which these companies are rolling out new design is just insane....when you're racing to be the best its tough to insure 100% quality...As a Hoyt only guy......I still say.....Give some love to Bowtech!

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Don't forget that Bowtech is litterally killing the competition right now too. So it's not unlikely for any pro shop owner that DOESN'T sell Bowtech to say such things. Also keep in mind that the Pro Shops are pretty small and they need your business. So what do you think they are going to say? "Oh yeah, don't shop here, go and get a Bowtech"! I don't think so. Now watch if he drops Matthews and starts carrying Bowtech next year then see what he says, hypothetically. Just sayin'.....

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He carrys Mathews, Martin, Whisper Creek, Mission (made by Mathews), and lots of recurves and longbows....

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"He carrys Mathews"

You just found your answer.

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ive been shooting my guardian in -35 degree weather i dont see no problem nor hear any problems with the bow.

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ok.....so let me ask this......Has ANYONE HERE had ANY problems with there bowtech?

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I agree, its all about $. The shop owner doesn't carry BowTech for some reason, and seeing as how BowTech is going to be his biggest competitor against the bows that he is currently selling..... of course he is going to down talk them so he can try to make more money!

As far as problems go, out of all the BowTech I have had, I had one (a 04 Liberty) that had a limb crack, and what did BowTech do to fix this? They gave me a 2005 Allegiance free of cost:) That is the kind of customer service that is unheard of and the service that has kept me a loyal fan of BowTech! Out of all my buddies who have owned multiple BowTechs, I am the only one that has ever had a single problem. Heck, my one good buddy just switched to BowTech after the limb on his Drenalin cracked.

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$ is usually the reason. One problem with pro shops and bowtech is there is no proprietaty boundries. The smaller shops have to have a slightly higher mark up on their bows because they dont do alot of volume or buy as large of orders as chain stores. Since bowtech will sell through anyone alot of the smaller shops cant compete in that market.

Rogue

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Smaller shops, heck most shops, can't carry them all. Oh they start out that way but soon find what's selling best in their market. They then decide which ones to cut. Carrying cost of inventory and all that figure in. The Bowtechs don't have all the issues he stated. ALL bows have issues at times. He talks them down because he doesn't carry them and of course pushes HIS bows by saying someone elses is broke. It might also be that something happened between he and Bowtech and they pulled the line. People who don't have Mathews don't have them usually because Mathews protects it's existing dealers. In doing so they often don't have the best shops but that's the way they do business. And yup, I bet if he's a Mathews dealer Bowtech won't give him the line. There is a shop down in Baltimore that has always carried only Mathews. He said he was going to go after the Bowtech line. Why, because it's the hottest selling line going. Guess what, Bowtech told him we don't need you.

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Maybe he lost his dealership with Bowtech.

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Sounds like there is more to the story than you are getting, perhaps a falling out with Bowtech. The shop I go to sells Bowtech, Hoyt, Mathews, Bear, and Ross. USed to sell PSE but the rep they have for that territory is a total jerk, sp the owner pulled PSE from the shelves. Right now, Bowtech is the #1 seller in the shop. 2 years ago it was the Switchback XT, last year was the Vectrix, this year, the entire Bowtech line really. My guess, sour grapes from your shop owner. WIth the bows he is selling, it isn't surprising. I'm on my third Bowtech without any screws falling out or limbs breaking or any other parts flying off.

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I agree with the above He probably had some sort of falling out with Bowtech. That being said there is no company out there that is imune to having a few problems. Here where I live there are several "Pro" shops within 25 miles of me and each one hypes a different company. One that I used to go to all the time for years pushed nothing but Darton and anything else was junk then they changed to High Country then to Mountaineer then to Mathews and I noticed the other day they dont even sell Darton anymore. I personally feel that nearly all the company's today make good products some may be a little faster some quiter or less vibaration. We should first figure the top amount we can afford then when possible shoot as many bows as possible, ask as many questions as we can and find out about the warranties on any thing we plan to buy.
As with anything else with people it is always my truck is better then yours my dog is better whatever the bottom line to me is how that new bow feels in my hand when I shoot it and how I feel when I shoot it. Never buy a bow that you can shoot some places will let you pull them but dont let you shoot it any new bow feels good in your hands so always demand to shoot it not just once but several times.

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Ok guys....thanks.....i was sure that there couldnt have been that many problems since i have shot quite a few of bowtechs bows and I liked them!

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Sounds like BowTech and your dealer may have had a little falling out. If BowTech decided to terminate his dealership would you expect him to tell you that BowTechs are still sweet bows but I don't sell them anymore or hear that whatever he is selling is superior to the product you're really interested in? I'm sure with all the BowTech shooters here they'd be complaining about cam problems and loose screws right on this forum.

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Yea.....thats why when he said that i was a little confused....

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maybe he did something to tick off the bowtech rep

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BH Bailey, I guarantee you there are other issues at work here. There is no question about the quality of Bowtech Bows.

Dan

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I am looking for a new bow right now and the only thing that would make me take pause on pulling the trigger on a Bowtech at this time was a small little screw fell off the bow while shooting it in the shop (little socket head cap screw, black, under 1/4 thread) took the shop owner 10 minutes or so to figure out where it came from.......

Other than that, they have felt like great bows.

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Sounds like a mod screw;)Once you get the bow set up with the proper mods a drop of Blue Loctite to each mod screw will keep them tight, then you'll be good to go.

Dan

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Sounds like a mod screw;)Once you get the bow set up with the proper mods a drop of Blue Loctite to each mod screw will keep them tight, then you'll be good to go.

Dan
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Yuppers, there was a thread about this exact problem floating around somewhere a couple weeks ago, but danged if I could find it....like I said, the only negative I have encountered, and seems like a pretty minor one.

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I've dealt with a variety of bows over several years and loose mods are pretty common. Correct setup, and Blue Loctite and you'll never experience that again:D

Dan

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I shoot with alot of people that shoot BowTech and I have never seen any of those issues and theyare very happy with thier bows. I have shot them and set them up and they make a fine bow.Hell take a look at alot of these new bows and you see Bowtech all over them.The Ind doesnt follow failure.There has to be something personal here.

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I know 3 BowTech dealer's near by and I've heard nothing but raving review's from them , I'm yet to hear about these issue's anywhere else . I would think if what your dealer is telling you is true ,I'm sure another dealer would tell you the same thing . I think it's bull as well.

nubo

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I have had the same exact problem with screws coming out of my cams. just a little vibration that progresses. nothing that a little blue loc tite or even string wax in the threads won't repair. I also had the limbs crack on my 06' allegiance. Will I buy a bowtech when I'm ready for a new bow? YES. I firmly believe that the cracked limbs were due to personal error with my dealer and the allen screws are an extremely minor issue. their customer service is the best I've ever seen. You don't really see a whole lot of advertising from bowtech, so you've got to ask yourself the question, why do all these guys love bowtech so much? the answer is thousands of satisfied customers. I like to think of it as instead of putting all their money into advertising, bowtech is using that money to bring new innovative technology to the table for us.just my 2 cents.

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I had a mod screw fall out on Saturday while I was shooting. However I changed the draw length myself at the proshop and didn't use loc-tite when I put the new mods on.

So it was my fault not Bowtechs, On page 8 of the owners manual it says to use loc-tite on the mod screws. The reason Bowtech doesn't loc-tite the screws from the factory is that 9 times out of 10 the dealer will have to change mods for draw length like I had to.

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And I'm supposed to feel some kind of loyalty to business that practise this kind of deception? Not me. I'd be looking for the best deal anywhere if this was the case.

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No excuse unless instructions are given to every shop that this must be done before they are sold. It's why you pay a professional in the first place. I understand you were the pro in this case.

Ya know they can make them so that they wouldn't need loktite. Why not avoid the bad pr all together?

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Ive heard of mod screws coming out buta little string wax and i think you'll be good to go

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My buddy had a Bowtech Allegiance I think, maybe an 06. Whatever the model, there was a recall on the bow because of the limbs. Bowtech replaced it with an 08 82nd Airborne!!!!!:)
He loves Bowtechs.

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Wow why couldn't that have happened to me...

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Are you SERIOUS??

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I wish I could have seen your facewhen you read that.



...but i hope not for your sake

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Ding, Ding, Ding! Right here is the answer, four pages into this thread. Yes, most mod screws come loose and need to be tightened down. It says so right in the manual. So,nodog, there is an excuse, and a pretty good one. Why loc-tite something that verywell may need to be changed?

We don't loc-tite ours, and once we tighten them down, they have not come back loose.

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Honest question.. here's an honest answer. I do love my Bowtech Guardian... no question. It's so quiet, semi fast and absolutely no hand shock and all that other junk people get all wrapped up in.

BUT..... it's not the best shooter in the world. It's the nature of the beast. Form is so much more critical with it than it is say with my Darton Maverick. My Darton is still the joy of my life to shoot as far as draw cycle and feel and steadiness. Don't get me wrong, I do love my Guardian.... but my Darton is a better shooter given my skills.