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Situation Ethics????........2 Part Question .....**UPDATED WITH twils real life situation
02-26-2008 | 08:40 AM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
Ha! A well placed hit and run, though. PT, did you mean "expand" or "expound"?
Reading some of the responses on here, I'm thinking we really need September to roll around.
I really hope that I don't ever find myself in your "hypothetical" sitatuation, Tony.It's been said by others, but I don't think we know for certain what action we'll take until we're standing at that exact place at that exact time.I do everything in my power to ensure that I don't end up there. When I'm hunting private land, I've always made sure that I have the adjacent land-owners permission, in advance, to cross to retrieve a deer... even if it's not posted. It's not mine and I don't have any business there without permission. I had to cross the line twice this year to retrieve deer, and even though I had permission, I still called them to let them know I was crossing the line.
I haven't encountered a land-owner yet who said "no" to the request in advance. I know there are some out there, and when I do find one, I may not like the answer, but that's his right. I'll just hunt far enough away from the line and avoid the problem.
On a side note.... I love the way some folks seem to think that someone who doesn't thinkor feel the way that they do MUST be wrong. One comment somewhere back in the pages of this thread mentioned "card carrying tree huggers" or something like that. Funny... my wife has a sticker in her back window that says "I'm an official Card Carrying Tree Hugger", and it stays parked right next to my pickup with a Mathews decal on the left, a Rath Buck decal on the right and the words "Nock 'em Dead" in the middle. She loves venison. Not all "tree huggers" are against us.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Wow Jeff ... hit and run! Wanna expand on that ..... if ya come back on ... by the way .... I miss ya!!!
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
It's just a deer.
It's just a deer.
Wanna expand on that ..... if ya come back on ... by the way .... I miss ya!!!
Reading some of the responses on here, I'm thinking we really need September to roll around.
I really hope that I don't ever find myself in your "hypothetical" sitatuation, Tony.It's been said by others, but I don't think we know for certain what action we'll take until we're standing at that exact place at that exact time.I do everything in my power to ensure that I don't end up there. When I'm hunting private land, I've always made sure that I have the adjacent land-owners permission, in advance, to cross to retrieve a deer... even if it's not posted. It's not mine and I don't have any business there without permission. I had to cross the line twice this year to retrieve deer, and even though I had permission, I still called them to let them know I was crossing the line.
I haven't encountered a land-owner yet who said "no" to the request in advance. I know there are some out there, and when I do find one, I may not like the answer, but that's his right. I'll just hunt far enough away from the line and avoid the problem.
On a side note.... I love the way some folks seem to think that someone who doesn't thinkor feel the way that they do MUST be wrong. One comment somewhere back in the pages of this thread mentioned "card carrying tree huggers" or something like that. Funny... my wife has a sticker in her back window that says "I'm an official Card Carrying Tree Hugger", and it stays parked right next to my pickup with a Mathews decal on the left, a Rath Buck decal on the right and the words "Nock 'em Dead" in the middle. She loves venison. Not all "tree huggers" are against us.
02-26-2008 | 08:51 AM
#152
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
02-26-2008 | 09:00 AM
#153
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
I think intent is the mitigating factor,location is probably second & then greed rears its ugly head.
My neighbors are like a majority of todays hunters, aging is the term I'll use. Pa's rifle deer season starts on the Monday following Thanksgiving. over that weekend I can count on seeing the locals some time for beer and bragging, deer sightings and the sons & daughters that are home for the hunt.It is a great time. Thy all Talk about the same things, where their hunting,who's with them & when the chili will be done.
From the tractor sounds you can tell who has scored and from where,Hunting hereisagreat thing that I truly live for.I have the greatest of neighbors and hunting is what brings us together it certainly doesn't divide us.
For those of you that feel the need to prostitute your morals ,ethics & any little bit of self esteem you once had for a few moments of fleeting glory now called horn porn, I truly feel for you.
Maybe hunting is just not suited for you.
It really isn't very hard to see why some guyshave such a hard time finding a place to hunt.
My neighbors are like a majority of todays hunters, aging is the term I'll use. Pa's rifle deer season starts on the Monday following Thanksgiving. over that weekend I can count on seeing the locals some time for beer and bragging, deer sightings and the sons & daughters that are home for the hunt.It is a great time. Thy all Talk about the same things, where their hunting,who's with them & when the chili will be done.
From the tractor sounds you can tell who has scored and from where,Hunting hereisagreat thing that I truly live for.I have the greatest of neighbors and hunting is what brings us together it certainly doesn't divide us.
For those of you that feel the need to prostitute your morals ,ethics & any little bit of self esteem you once had for a few moments of fleeting glory now called horn porn, I truly feel for you.
Maybe hunting is just not suited for you.
It really isn't very hard to see why some guyshave such a hard time finding a place to hunt.
02-26-2008 | 09:10 AM
#154
Nontypical Buck
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From: West Tennessee
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Steve .. do you Ever go 1 mile over the speed limit? I am not trying to be a wise guy, but depending on the topic, ALL people's ethics in certain areas may change due to the situation ...... BTW, I appreciate and respect your stand on this ... even if I don't take the same one ... you have been repectful on this thread as well .... and that will get people to listen to you instead of dismissing you ....
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket.
I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
02-26-2008 | 09:18 AM
#155
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
PT,
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket. I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Steve .. do you Ever go 1 mile over the speed limit? I am not trying to be a wise guy, but depending on the topic, ALL people's ethics in certain areas may change due to the situation ...... BTW, I appreciate and respect your stand on this ... even if I don't take the same one ... you have been repectful on this thread as well .... and that will get people to listen to you instead of dismissing you ....
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket.
I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
The law is the law[8D]
It just a tough call until you are standing 5 yds from your deer.
02-26-2008 | 09:22 AM
#156
Nontypical Buck
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From: West Tennessee
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: Germ
yes you're sucking to much gas[8D]
The law is the law[8D]
It just a tough call until you are standing 5 yds from your deer.
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
PT,
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket. I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
PT,
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket.
I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
The law is the law[8D]
It just a tough call until you are standing 5 yds from your deer.
02-26-2008 | 09:39 AM
#157
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I think intent is the mitigating factor,location is probably second & then greed rears its ugly head.
My neighbors are like a majority of todays hunters, aging is the term I'll use. Pa's rifle deer season starts on the Monday following Thanksgiving. over that weekend I can count on seeing the locals some time for beer and bragging, deer sightings and the sons & daughters that are home for the hunt.It is a great time. Thy all Talk about the same things, where their hunting,who's with them & when the chili will be done.
From the tractor sounds you can tell who has scored and from where,Hunting hereisagreat thing that I truly live for.I have the greatest of neighbors and hunting is what brings us together it certainly doesn't divide us.
For those of you that feel the need to prostitute your morals ,ethics & any little bit of self esteem you once had for a few moments of fleeting glory now called horn porn, I truly feel for you.
Maybe hunting is just not suited for you.
It really isn't very hard to see why some guyshave such a hard time finding a place to hunt.
I think intent is the mitigating factor,location is probably second & then greed rears its ugly head.
My neighbors are like a majority of todays hunters, aging is the term I'll use. Pa's rifle deer season starts on the Monday following Thanksgiving. over that weekend I can count on seeing the locals some time for beer and bragging, deer sightings and the sons & daughters that are home for the hunt.It is a great time. Thy all Talk about the same things, where their hunting,who's with them & when the chili will be done.
From the tractor sounds you can tell who has scored and from where,Hunting hereisagreat thing that I truly live for.I have the greatest of neighbors and hunting is what brings us together it certainly doesn't divide us.
For those of you that feel the need to prostitute your morals ,ethics & any little bit of self esteem you once had for a few moments of fleeting glory now called horn porn, I truly feel for you.
Maybe hunting is just not suited for you.
It really isn't very hard to see why some guyshave such a hard time finding a place to hunt.
02-26-2008 | 09:58 AM
#158
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
Some of these guys have horns screwed on old chestnut plaques that would make those at a cabala's store look like misfits. I'm not in their league yet.
02-26-2008 | 10:06 AM
#159
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From: Heaven is my home, temporarily residing in WNY :)
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
PT,
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket. I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Steve .. do you Ever go 1 mile over the speed limit? I am not trying to be a wise guy, but depending on the topic, ALL people's ethics in certain areas may change due to the situation ...... BTW, I appreciate and respect your stand on this ... even if I don't take the same one ... you have been repectful on this thread as well .... and that will get people to listen to you instead of dismissing you ....
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket.
I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
02-26-2008 | 11:16 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Southern MD
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
It does have an application here .... it's all about situation ethics ..... the guys on here that are adamant against ANYform oftresspassing at all ... I bet you could spend a few hours with them and see the situational ethics in their life ...... speeding is a good example, as most people go at least a few miles over the limit .... os breaking THAT law is ok ... but not another...
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
PT,
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket. I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Steve .. do you Ever go 1 mile over the speed limit? I am not trying to be a wise guy, but depending on the topic, ALL people's ethics in certain areas may change due to the situation ...... BTW, I appreciate and respect your stand on this ... even if I don't take the same one ... you have been repectful on this thread as well .... and that will get people to listen to you instead of dismissing you ....
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.
If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.
The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket.
I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I?
There is a big difference in actively trying to stay within legal boundaries (you try to stay the speed limit but drift over by a couple ofMPH)and knowingly ignoring the speed limit (racing your buddy at speeds over 100MPH).