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*EVIDENCE* IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Look how when the buck sees the IR flash that it doesnt just turn around, It BOLTS back in the other direction and is out of sight within miliseconds. Hope i didnt screw up that spot because i got a stand just ten yards from that camera and i have a feeling that buck will be nice next year. He also made a brand new scrape (i think its him) at the top up the hill.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
That is very interesting. I don't know about the IR cameras to formulate an opinion, but the pictures do show the buck getting out of there quick.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
It's hard to say whether it was the IR light or the noise from the filter that moves on those cameras, could be either one, or a combination of both. The IR cameras are still a lot more subtle than a flash camera by a long shot.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Great picture andvery interesting observation.I am not sure if it is the IR or the noise camera may have made that startled deer.As we all no when there is snow on the ground you can hear a pin drop so it may have sounded really loud to a deers senses.Interesting none the less.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
As you know, whitetails are very skittish animals. Could of been the IR or could of been one of many other things going on that was coincidental at time of picture.
But for arguments sake, lets assume it was the IR. I am still 100% confident that the effect of IR flash scaring of deer is nominal whereas a conventional flash is not. If you want to go to extremes and make sure you never spook a deer, don't even enter your hunting area for any reason or anytime of the year except for hunting. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
I don't know about deer, but the neighbors IR camera sure scared the crap out of me one morning while I was walking in on along the property line one morning this season:D
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: Wiaxle I don't know about deer, but the neighbors IR camera sure scared the crap out of me one morning while I was walking in on along the property line one morning this season:D |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
yea they seemed to be spooked......i havent had one problem with the deer being spooked. they actually find it interesting...
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
From one picture I guess we could determine that they were afraid of feeders, too. Remember.......Kelly/KY had a picture of a buck by a feeder that was kicking up a storm.
'Course.....the rest of that story is.....he had an arrow zipping through his body at about the same time the camera went off. I don't think individual instances can tell us anything substantially towards "proof", though. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Unless deer can see lightwaves that are out of the visible light range, there is no way the IR itself could spook them, because they cant see it. That's the whole point of it lol so they don't see it. I'm guessing it was noise the camera made or something else that spooked him.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: GMMAT From one picture I guess we could determine that they were afraid of feeders, too. Remember.......Kelly/KY had a picture of a buck by a feeder that was kicking up a storm. 'Course.....the rest of that story is.....he had an arrow zipping through his body at about the same time the camera went off. I don't think individual instances can tell us anything substantially towards "proof", though. |
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ORIGINAL: MO_Bowhnter Unless deer can see lightwaves that are out of the visible light range, there is no way the IR itself could spook them, because they cant see it. That's the whole point of it lol so they don't see it. I'm guessing it was noise the camera made or something else that spooked him. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
I don't doubt you, I just wonder why they call it infared if in fact it isn't.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: MO_Bowhnter I don't doubt you, I just wonder why they call it infared if in fact it isn't.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
I firmly believe that IR spooks mature bucks. It doesn't spook them as bad as regular flash, but they stilldon't like it. Not only that, but they don't like the looks of a camera just hanging on a tree either. I've been using cameras for three years now and this year I added 3 IR Cuddebacks to my collection. Now I have these along with 1 Cuddeback Expert regular flash. With the regular flash, after about a week to 10 days, the deer start skirting my camera. I have to keep moving it if I want to get them on film. I cannot bait where I use them so I can't force them to pose for pictures. The mature bucks are the first ones to avoid the cameras. On regular flash cameras, I will only get a mature bucks pic 1 time at the same spot. If I want to try to get him again, I have to move the camera. Basically the same for the IR cameras, they're just not as spooked. I got a mature buck twice in the same spot but once was in daylight when there was no flash (IR). When I got him at night, he spotted the IR and would not come any closer, He finally turned and walked away. I have a 30 sec video of him doing this. You may not be able to see his rack because the batteries were getting very low, but on my PC at home I can see the size of his rack, he's about 140. You can definately see his eyes.
BTW, the other pic of him is right at dusk and is still very hard to see. Bottom line: Mature bucks are very camera shy! [:-] http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u85/GregBKH/?action=view&current=40.flv |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Here he is in "daylight". [&:]
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
I think it all depends on the area where the deer live. If the deer are used to seeing people and wierd people objects. This is my first year using my stealth cam prowler adn i havnt had one deer run from my infared camera. i am in a very people populated area though they may be used to seeing different obnject and not be scared of them. even my mature bucks dont have a problem
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: GregH I firmly believe that IR spooks mature bucks. It doesn't spook them as bad as regular flash, but they stilldon't like it. Not only that, but they don't like the looks of a camera just hanging on a tree either. I've been using cameras for three years now and this year I added 3 IR Cuddebacks to my collection. Now I have these along with 1 Cuddeback Expert regular flash. With the regular flash, after about a week to 10 days, the deer start skirting my camera. I have to keep moving it if I want to get them on film. I cannot bait where I use them so I can't force them to pose for pictures. The mature bucks are the first ones to avoid the cameras. On regular flash cameras, I will only get a mature bucks pic 1 time at the same spot. If I want to try to get him again, I have to move the camera. Basically the same for the IR cameras, they're just not as spooked. I got a mature buck twice in the same spot but once was in daylight when there was no flash (IR). When I got him at night, he spotted the IR and would not come any closer, He finally turned and walked away. I have a 30 sec video of him doing this. You may not be able to see his rack because the batteries were getting very low, but on my PC at home I can see the size of his rack, he's about 140. You can definately see his eyes. BTW, the other pic of him is right at dusk and is still very hard to see. Bottom line: Mature bucks are very camera shy! [:-] http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u85/GregBKH/?action=view&current=40.flv |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: foxhill85 I think it all depends on the area where the deer live. If the deer are used to seeing people and wierd people objects. This is my first year using my stealth cam prowler adn i havnt had one deer run from my infared camera. i am in a very people populated area though they may be used to seeing different obnject and not be scared of them. even my mature bucks dont have a problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0_lzH9sKrI I cannot bait where I use them (cameras)so I can't force them to pose for pictures. Without bait, mature bucks are camera shy. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: janesburg Greg please put up your old avatar of you with your bow kill instead of that crazy looking dude you have as an avatar now. Thanks.:D  |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Why in the world would you put a camera into a mature buck's "home" if you thought they were afraid of them? The premise (IMO) is false.....but it begs the question.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Every deer is an individual. I'll have to scan some of my 35mm pictures.
One buck poses for several shots, almost liking it. Another I have a picture of a buck jumping out of his skin! |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Greg,
you said you cant bait in your state, i dont know if theres CWD there, but if there isnt why dont you put out a mineral or salt lick to get pics. nothin in this world is guranteed. big bucks spook over the stupidest stuff. this year i was bowhunting around mature white oak trees. a nice shooter buck came walkin down the game trial. he was about40 yards browsing and eatin acorns. there was a squirrel on the game trial eatin acorns too. im up in my stand just waitin for a 20 yard shot. hegets within 30 yards walkin to me, then all the sudden he sees that squirrel and he freaks out and takes off runnin. one of the funniest and yet saddest things i seen. he had his head down walkin on the trial browsing, he looks to his right theres the squirrel within 4 steps. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Why in the world would you put a camera into a mature buck's "home" if you thought they were afraid of them? The premise (IMO) is false.....but it begs the question. 1) Anywhere you put a camera is/can be a mature bucks "home", there's no escaping it. 2) That's how you get their pic so you can see what's out there. 3) By doing so post season until antler drop you give them plenty of time to calm down. 4) I said they skirt the cameras, not flee the county. 5) Do you think that my methods have hurt my success? Rob, what size are those bucks? After 3 years of using cameras I have gotten pics of mature bucks to be sure, but......... none of them are top end (160+) and there are plenty of top end bucks in the areas where I put my cameras. In the areas where I put my cameras you cannot put out any kind of food or mineral blocks at all - totally illegal. My experience is that without the use of a food pile, getting mature bucks on film is difficult. The older and larger he is, the more difficult it is to catch him on camera. These experiences are only related to the post season until antler drop. I don't use cameras any other time of year. |
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Realizing that your experience with mature bucks is limited at best, My "experience" with mature bucks is......I've been hunting a little over 2 years and I've killed 2 of 'em. Rocket science this isn't......no matter how much "mystique" you wanna give these animals. 5) Do you think that my methods have hurt my success? |
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LOL BBD.
edited that whippin in there!!! LOL |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
This particular 10 point knows its there but isn't spooked to bad. I think the noise of the camera is what does it with these Cuddeback no flash camera's. Here's the video... http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ideoof10pt.flv
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: GMMAT My "experience" with mature bucks is......I've been hunting a little over 2 years and I've killed 2 of 'em. Rocket science this isn't......no matter how much "mystique" you wanna give these animals. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: GregH ORIGINAL: GMMAT My "experience" with mature bucks is......I've been hunting a little over 2 years and I've killed 2 of 'em. Rocket science this isn't......no matter how much "mystique" you wanna give these animals.  !!!haha:D |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Yep............. you're a legend in you're own mind. EVERY time I have a differing opinion than yours.....you take your personal potshots. SO predictable. You have to know how foolish this makes you look. I'll leave you to continue. Have a good evening. |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Greg 2 , Jeff 1
(DING DING DING) Lets get it on!!! |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Some pics of a non-spooked mature buck from a flash cam....Some do Some dont.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
ORIGINAL: GregH ORIGINAL: janesburg Greg please put up your old avatar of you with your bow kill instead of that crazy looking dude you have as an avatar now. Thanks.:D
It must be the sunglasses.....:D |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
I have video of my cuddeback no flash, and the deer seem very inquisitive like they can see it in the dark/night like a flash, even though there is no flash, makes me wonder if it's a marketing scheme, can deer see infered? in a sense IR is just a color we humans can't see, just like deer can't see red we can't see IR. Though I wonder if they can hear some unusual sounds from the camera, no matter how slight.
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
From using the Cudde Back No Flashes and a Bushnell IR, a lot last year and a little the year before, I feel for what ever reason, whether it be noise, the light etc.. the IR"Swill and do seem to spook the older bigger more skittish bucks... somethings going on because I saw time and time again, on a specifice water hole this past summer when we had a nearly drought conditions and extreme fire danger that forced deer to the mostavailable water, along with moose, elk, bears etc.. all in the same water hole.. only the Big bucks I photoed there seemed to spook in reaction to the camera.. all the other younger bucks, does, elk both bulls and cows, bull moose, and even a bear and couple hawks.. didnt seem to mind the camera. Many of the same younger bucks, bull moose, and a bull elk revisited, getting over 50 photos of some of them...I only got 1 visit and no more than 2 pictures in the visitof the three biggest bucks I saw all summer on that water hole via my cameras....never to photo them again.. and I know they had to travel a long ways to other water.. something was up.. jm2c
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
this buck I got on my Bushnell IR this one and only time.. in the second photoof him.. I had it set on 30 second intervals ....he spooks.. Never saw him again at this water hole.. I know this buck well from glassing him before and seeing him and passing on him a year earlier.. I found one of his sheds too. all within a 1/4 square milearea..he has long candlestick tines and was a bit spindly the year I passed him ...06.. i figured he was just 3.5 then..thats the shed we (my boys and I)found too...a side I believe from his 06 set..possibly his 05 if hes older than I guessed.. I figure him at least 4.5 in this camera photo..
I pictured other big bucks at thishole only to never see them again there again this summer.. while the younger bucks, bulls and moose all revisited and I have several photos of...   |
RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
Well, from what I can gather from this thread and being I am a skittish, paranoid individual I best put a camera onto trails that I don't plan on hunting[&:]. If I find a nice buck I do want to hunt then I best be hunting where he is not getting his picture taken;).
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RE: PROOF IR spooks some deer (Pics)
 I strongly suspect that it's noise from the unit spooking them, deer don't see red and IR is the far end of the red spectrum. |
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