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As I've mentioned, I'm going to be shooting aluminums again this year. But I'll be honest and tell you I know know a heck of a lot about them, other than spine ratings and such.

EXCLUDING the ACC and all other aluminum/carbon composites, what is the BEST all aluminum hunting arrow? The XX78 SuperSlam?

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those things are tomatoe sticks! .....or at least they used to be ..... I used to love the XX75's.....

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my dad loves his old XX78 SuperSlams

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The 78's are the best for hunting.

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XX78's for sure. I've been kicking around the idea of returning to XX78's myself. I love those 2216's.

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What do you know! [:-]

Just playin :D TFOX .... I am curious as to why you believe them to be .... and believe me, I defer to your knowledge

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All us old guys wanna bring back the days of our youth [8D]

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I see the 78's are .001 straight, and the 75's are .002......I know I said I want the best, but is that the only difference?

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I would say the best aluminum arrows would be the ones passin through a deer lungs[8D]

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I started archery using XX75 and i had the same grouping using them , than the GT XT Hunters i use now :eek:and i'm talking 2" groups at 20yds 3" groups at 30yds . i might go back to them now i think about it :D.

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My Brutha from anotha mutha ........ the are in the Cabela's Bargain cave for $60.00 a dozen! ..... and they are .002 strait according to the sight ....

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Ok ... the alloy is different ...... the XX75'shave a 7075alloy a 96,000psi and theXX78's have a 7178 alloy and are rated for 100,000psi

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The XX75's will do the job hunting thats for sure, but I just prefer the extra XX78's. If you plan on shooting 3D with aluminum arrows and plan on using the 12 or 13 series(such as 2312 or 2213) stock up because it doesn't take much to bend them.

One more thing I'll bet money on...........take a dozen of general stock XX75 or XX78 and do the same on non-hand picked all carbons(any brand or model). After cutting them, installing the components and fletching, and tuning your bow(s) to shoot those arrows, generally the aluminums will shoot tighter groups because of greater consistency in spine, weight, and straightness.

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Now that's awesome!! But...I can get them cheaper at the shop.....:DAhhhh yes, the benefits of being able to get stuff at dealer cost is a beautiful thing.....

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Ok, so are the 78's really any better?? Especially for the $$ ? One thing I don't skimp on is arrows, but......there just doesn't seem to be enough difference to spend the xtra money???? Or am I all buggered up here..?

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The mark-up on archery stuff is alot, eh? ...how MUCH cheaper, bro:eek:

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Let's just say the accessories is where the money is made....NOT bow sales.....;)

Honestly though, that's about what i can get them for......

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It is a denser aluminuim .... it wont bend as easy .... it's a sturdier arrow ... besides, after your post on the greenback that you save, they are still WAYYYYY cheaper than carbon ....

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Good call, Tony. 78 super slams it is then.......

Now....for you techies.....what's the weight per inch for the superslam 2413 and 2512??

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10.5 for 2413 and 10.28 for 2512

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Is the spine about the same??

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mobow, another vote for the XX78 Super Slams. If I shoot aluminum again, that's the only aluminum shaft I will shoot!

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2512's are wuite a bit stiffer... .321 compared to .365

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Well there it is......We have XX78 SuperSlam 2512's in stock.....close to the same weight, and a bit stiffer. PERFECT!!

Dip them white, crest them w/ some bright colors......shield cut orange and white 4" feathers.......Big buck gonna die this fall w/ a mighty fine lookin arra!!

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Weren't those replaced with the XX75 SuperSlam Digitals? They size them by weight now, I think .....

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Yes, Tony. You are 100% correct. They rate the sizes like carbons now, 400, 340....ect.....We have some '07's on the shelf though.

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Thanks for saving me the trouble of looking up the actuall numbers.[:-]I knew the alloy was better but I didn't know a number to quantify it.


The X7's are actually a little better overall BUT not for hunting because they are more brittle.Something to do with a quenching process I believe that makes them brittle but makes them as accurate as can be.

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Ya know what, Mobo ... forget the arrow convo .... you gotta change your avatar ... I know thats Scott, but for some reason I put your face, or should I say, finger and nose instead of him when you post ..... [:'(]:D

BTW ...... was that a pick ....... or a scratch?:D

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Mobow,I will be honest and say that if you are still trying to keep the speed up and shoot thin walled aluminum,don't waist your time or money.If you are going with aluminum,imo,stay above a .014 wall thickness,penetration and durability are much better.Again,IMO.;)

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Yeah, but the 2512's are the weight and spine I'm looking for? Have an alternative?

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12's are weak and you probably won't even make it to season without having to buy more.;)I tried them for 3-d and they lasted about 1 month and I was down to 5 so I moved on.

Plus when the wall is that thin,there is alot of wobbling that goes on in the arrow when it hits something,that isn't even considering what happens on a bone hit.

That isn't to say they couldn't get the job done but there are much better choices,in the same spine range,if you want light,stay with the carbons.

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Ok......I see your point. What is a thicker wall w/ the same spine and close to the same weight?

I don't necessarily want light.....somewhere in the 475 - 500 grain range...

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2413's ?

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Yep, that's what I was thinking......we just don't have those in the 78's...but we do in the 75's.........guess I could order them....but, they changed the damn spine ratings of the 78's this year........what's the equivalent I wonder?

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I shoot 2413s in a 31 inch draw, never changed from aluminum...I'm currently shooting XX-78s, but used to shoot 75s, I don't think you will ever notice the difference...

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mobow, you never mentioned how long your arrows are and draw weight did ya?

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You really won't get close to the same weight but

arrow spine gpi
2512 .321 10.3
2514.305 11.4
2413 .365 10.5
2314 .39110.8
2315 .342 11.8
2216 .376 12.1

All these are given in the XX78's

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30" draw, 70#'s, and 28" arras.....could go longer, but not shorter. Oh, 100 grain points.

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Man, I think I really need to go w/ the 25 series to get the proper spine...I think the 24's are too weak...11.4/inch is a bit more than I want though....

I was originally thinking the 2413, but like I said, I think they are a bit weak, and the 2512's are perfect and damn near the same weight.

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In my experience,the 2216's are awesome arrows that tune really well for a wide range of setups but they are much heavier than what you want.


30" draw and 70#'s will give you more speed and energy than you will know what to do with.But we have been down this road before.:D