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RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: englum_06 I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something. My guess is that, all things being equal, most farmers would rather lease to a small group of their neighbors. Another option is to lease the ground yourself and let a few hunters on for a fee to help you pay your lease. You keep control but the cost stays down. Of course then, technically, you'd be an outfitter yourself....one of the bad guys;) The land where my issue was, the outfitter came in and tried to by all the neighbors/surrounding property out. He probably tried to buy close to 1000 acres I'd say. I can't say that amount for sure but I can tell you he tried to buy 5 or 6 different properties and each had a couple hudred acres or so with it. But where I am, he BOUGHT it, he's not LEASING it. It's his. He's put no trespassing signs up all over warning of video surveillance and threatening to prosectue, but what gets me is he thinks he has access to all 200 acres of the land instead of the 100 that he bought. He keeps bringing hunters over onto the side that I hunt, he's used my stand when I wasn't in it, and he's put stands up on our side. And just so you know, Im not saying all outfitters are bad guys. I've been playing the Devils Advocate role somewhat. I know that outfitters are a necessity- I understand that people not from around here need them to hunt, BUT, I do think that an EXCESS of outfitters is a bad thing. I feel they should limit the amount of outfitters in a state, county and also limit the amount of ground allowed to be outfitted. |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
Hunting is no differnt than any other sport in North America. There will always be some who choose to make a living off it and there is nothing wrong with that. There are golf, tennis, ski pro's and a multitude of other jobs involved with the various sports. Do we hate the golf course owners who charge $100.00 a round for a premium course? No, we either choose to spend the money and play or play elsewhere. There are very few sports today that can be enjoyed without some form of payment. Hunting as populations grow and buy up land is increasingly becoming a pay as you play endeavour. Many complain about the price of Iowa hunts but right now they are the premium hunts with the biggest deer, Saskatchewan hunts are similarly priced. If everybody wasn't obsessed with taking a bigger deer than the next guy they could hunt many other places and hunt smaller deer for way less money. So who is the greedy one really? We have relatively mediocre deer hunting where I live and I have started venturing away for some additional oppurtunities and I don't mind paying, I also don't have the means to hunt Iowa but I don't care. I just like deer hunting, bowhunting them more and more it seems. But I'm just as happy to harvest a doe with my bow as a buck with my rifle, I'm in it for fun not fame. As already said the world is changing and unless you adapt to it it will leave you behind. I'm not going to be left behind.
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RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: englum_06 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: englum_06 I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something. My guess is that, all things being equal, most farmers would rather lease to a small group of their neighbors. Another option is to lease the ground yourself and let a few hunters on for a fee to help you pay your lease. You keep control but the cost stays down. Of course then, technically, you'd be an outfitter yourself....one of the bad guys;) The land where my issue was, the outfitter came in and tried to by all the neighbors/surrounding property out. He probably tried to buy close to 1000 acres I'd say. I can't say that amount for sure but I can tell you he tried to buy 5 or 6 different properties and each had a couple hudred acres or so with it. But where I am, he BOUGHT it, he's not LEASING it. It's his. He's put no trespassing signs up all over warning of video surveillance and threatening to prosectue, but what gets me is he thinks he has access to all 200 acres of the land instead of the 100 that he bought. He keeps bringing hunters over onto the side that I hunt, he's used my stand when I wasn't in it, and he's put stands up on our side. And just so you know, Im not saying all outfitters are bad guys. I've been playing the Devils Advocate role somewhat. I know that outfitters are a necessity- I understand that people not from around here need them to hunt, BUT, I do think that an EXCESS of outfitters is a bad thing. I feel they should limit the amount of outfitters in a state, county and also limit the amount of ground allowed to be outfitted. |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: TerryM ORIGINAL: englum_06 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: englum_06 I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something. My guess is that, all things being equal, most farmers would rather lease to a small group of their neighbors. Another option is to lease the ground yourself and let a few hunters on for a fee to help you pay your lease. You keep control but the cost stays down. Of course then, technically, you'd be an outfitter yourself....one of the bad guys;) The land where my issue was, the outfitter came in and tried to by all the neighbors/surrounding property out. He probably tried to buy close to 1000 acres I'd say. I can't say that amount for sure but I can tell you he tried to buy 5 or 6 different properties and each had a couple hudred acres or so with it. But where I am, he BOUGHT it, he's not LEASING it. It's his. He's put no trespassing signs up all over warning of video surveillance and threatening to prosectue, but what gets me is he thinks he has access to all 200 acres of the land instead of the 100 that he bought. He keeps bringing hunters over onto the side that I hunt, he's used my stand when I wasn't in it, and he's put stands up on our side. And just so you know, Im not saying all outfitters are bad guys. I've been playing the Devils Advocate role somewhat. I know that outfitters are a necessity- I understand that people not from around here need them to hunt, BUT, I do think that an EXCESS of outfitters is a bad thing. I feel they should limit the amount of outfitters in a state, county and also limit the amount of ground allowed to be outfitted. |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: englum_06 ORIGINAL: TerryM ORIGINAL: englum_06 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: englum_06 I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something. My guess is that, all things being equal, most farmers would rather lease to a small group of their neighbors. Another option is to lease the ground yourself and let a few hunters on for a fee to help you pay your lease. You keep control but the cost stays down. Of course then, technically, you'd be an outfitter yourself....one of the bad guys;) The land where my issue was, the outfitter came in and tried to by all the neighbors/surrounding property out. He probably tried to buy close to 1000 acres I'd say. I can't say that amount for sure but I can tell you he tried to buy 5 or 6 different properties and each had a couple hudred acres or so with it. But where I am, he BOUGHT it, he's not LEASING it. It's his. He's put no trespassing signs up all over warning of video surveillance and threatening to prosectue, but what gets me is he thinks he has access to all 200 acres of the land instead of the 100 that he bought. He keeps bringing hunters over onto the side that I hunt, he's used my stand when I wasn't in it, and he's put stands up on our side. And just so you know, Im not saying all outfitters are bad guys. I've been playing the Devils Advocate role somewhat. I know that outfitters are a necessity- I understand that people not from around here need them to hunt, BUT, I do think that an EXCESS of outfitters is a bad thing. I feel they should limit the amount of outfitters in a state, county and also limit the amount of ground allowed to be outfitted. |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: englum_06 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: englum_06 I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something. My guess is that, all things being equal, most farmers would rather lease to a small group of their neighbors. Another option is to lease the ground yourself and let a few hunters on for a fee to help you pay your lease. You keep control but the cost stays down. Of course then, technically, you'd be an outfitter yourself....one of the bad guys;) The land where my issue was, the outfitter came in and tried to by all the neighbors/surrounding property out. He probably tried to buy close to 1000 acres I'd say. I can't say that amount for sure but I can tell you he tried to buy 5 or 6 different properties and each had a couple hudred acres or so with it. But where I am, he BOUGHT it, he's not LEASING it. It's his. He's put no trespassing signs up all over warning of video surveillance and threatening to prosectue, but what gets me is he thinks he has access to all 200 acres of the land instead of the 100 that he bought. He keeps bringing hunters over onto the side that I hunt, he's used my stand when I wasn't in it, and he's put stands up on our side. And just so you know, Im not saying all outfitters are bad guys. I've been playing the Devils Advocate role somewhat. I know that outfitters are a necessity- I understand that people not from around here need them to hunt, BUT, I do think that an EXCESS of outfitters is a bad thing. I feel they should limit the amount of outfitters in a state, county and also limit the amount of ground allowed to be outfitted. I personally hope you nail this slimeball to the wall. If he gets nailed for enough of his bad deeds, he could lose his outfitters license and it sounds like justice would be served! Oh, and thank you for recognizing that we're not all bad guys;) |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
i dont mean to get off topic or anything but, englum 06 you NEED to empty yourPM box!i have been trying to reply to you but your box is fulland i have no other way to let you know!
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RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: huntingson ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland ORIGINAL: huntingson Lastly, in Illinois, if it wasn't for the outfitters, your state would be a joke right now due to the horrible management that the state DNR has done. It has been the outfitters and private land owners keeping that state in the topslot for B&C whitetails. P.S. The abbrev. for Illinois is IL. I also said outfitters AND private land owners, which, and correct me if I am wrong, is the land that is leased;)I have never heard of a hunter leasing public land, but who knows what you goofy people do:D If by funny papers you mean the main publications that release whitetail research studies, then I don't know what to tell you. You are in denial because THE MAN came and stole "your" precious hunting land. It isn't like I am gaining anything by saying that Illinois management is doing poorly. Do some research and by all means correct me if you find valid information. One good resource for this is the November 2007 issue of Deer & Deer Hunter. Lastly, do you hate all outfitters or just white tail outfitters in Illinois? Serious question. As far as disapproving outfitters other than those that are affecting me, if they have the same principals, and if they cause the same problems to HUNTERS like myself, I disapprove of them yes. But again, WITHOUT FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, I cannot cast judgement. |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland ORIGINAL: huntingson ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland ORIGINAL: huntingson Lastly, in Illinois, if it wasn't for the outfitters, your state would be a joke right now due to the horrible management that the state DNR has done. It has been the outfitters and private land owners keeping that state in the topslot for B&C whitetails. P.S. The abbrev. for Illinois is IL. I also said outfitters AND private land owners, which, and correct me if I am wrong, is the land that is leased;)I have never heard of a hunter leasing public land, but who knows what you goofy people do:D If by funny papers you mean the main publications that release whitetail research studies, then I don't know what to tell you. You are in denial because THE MAN came and stole "your" precious hunting land. It isn't like I am gaining anything by saying that Illinois management is doing poorly. Do some research and by all means correct me if you find valid information. One good resource for this is the November 2007 issue of Deer & Deer Hunter. Lastly, do you hate all outfitters or just white tail outfitters in Illinois? Serious question. As far as disapproving outfitters other than those that are affecting me, if they have the same principals, and if they cause the same problems to HUNTERS like myself, I disapprove of them yes. But again, WITHOUT FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, I cannot cast judgement. In fact this year with shotgun, Ipassed on every buck I saw because I wanted to save my tags for the late doe only season. Tell me how many out of state hunters would do that? NONE |
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
Why do people always say they "lost" land to an outfitter or a lease??
If it was your land then you either sold it or leased it..........if it wasn't your land then you didn't lose anything because it was never yours. I have found this mind set to be very common among hunters who gain permission to hunt an area of land.......I have been approached before and asked "What are you doing on MY land??".......from someone I KNOW is not the landowner. |
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