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What is your view on Outfitters?
01-29-2008 | 04:42 PM
#101
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Typical Buck
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From: East Central Illinois
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: THWACK_007
You obviously dont know much do you? Outfitters lease many farmers land. They lease land for about $20-30 an acre. Are you telling me that is outrageous? I know of some prime spots that outfitters are leasing land for that price. So you dont know of 3-4 guys that wouldlease a 200 acre farm for $4000-6000 a year??
ORIGINAL: englum_06
I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something.
I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something.
01-29-2008 | 05:27 PM
#102
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: SW PA USA
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
Which is great for that one piece of property, but are you gonna tell me that all leased and outfitted properties are managed this way. You can find an example to prove anything that you want, but it still doesn't make you right. There are antlered does, but does that mean that the majority of does have antlers. It's not even worth arguing with you over these things because you are going to bend it to where you are in the right, and I the majority of Illinois resident HUNTERS are in the wrong. We are thieves because we "take something for nothing", and outfitters are saviors because all they do is give back. Give me a break man.
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
One property in Brown county
635 acres
Landowner requested a goal of 15 does taken
2007 harvest 15 does 6 bucks.
ALL but three of the does were shot by non residents. Those three were shot by the landowners family. It's all in how things are managed
One property in Brown county
635 acres
Landowner requested a goal of 15 does taken
2007 harvest 15 does 6 bucks.
ALL but three of the does were shot by non residents. Those three were shot by the landowners family. It's all in how things are managed
It appears you are having a hard time dealing with reasonable posts that dont fit into your point of view[:'(]
By the way, you never answered my questions from before:
Have you ever or do you ever plan to use an outfitter to hunt away from home?
or this one:
You say you did things for your landowner...well it obviously wasn't enough. If your boss cut some firewood for you and maybe fixed your truck, should he be able to pay you less ? maybe he ought to be able to pay you less cause he likes you? The farmer is simply making a living with his land.The outfitter is part of it too but if there wasn't a market for it, neither would get any money. Your anger is misdirected. If the demand wasnt there, outfitting wouldnt exist. Outfitters didnt create the demand.BTW, Most situations I've seen with Illinois landowners is that they give the folks who presently huntfirst chance to match any offers they get.
You know, you are fortunate enough to live where the deer hunting can be phenomenal. I'm happy for you. I also understand to some extent that it must be frustrating that hunting around you has changed. The fact that hunters are now willing to pay to hunt where you live is not the fault of the outfitters or the landowners.
Ifyou discovered oil or gold or something else of value on your land, would you just give it to your friends or would you sell it? You know darn well that you'd sell it! Illinois landowners have discovered that there is a market for the right to hunt. Why should they give it to you for free?
01-29-2008 | 06:33 PM
#103
Typical Buck
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From: Albion Illinois
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
BT,
I'm sorry if I have been a little rude in some of my past posts, but it is frustrating to have been able to hunt 5 years ago without worry about losing where you were hunting, without worry about putting up a treestand and wondering how if you would have to take it down at the end of the season. You and I disagree because we are on completly opposite sides of this debate. I am the unfortunate one who is going to lose wheter I like it or not. You have the upper hand, because you have your end of the business wrapped up. You are going to be able to opperate as an outfitter whether I like it or not. I am not going to get to keep the ground that I hunt whether I like it or not. As you can see, I am the one getting the shaft on this deal. Don't take me wrong, I am not trying to play the victim here, but if hunting is becoming a sport that not everyone can take part in, when it comes to the point where a man has to pay to hunt, a sport if a man wants to take his child hunting is going to have to pay thousands of dollars, then when it finally comes to that point, which you claim is what it is coming to and we as hunters should adapt to that, I will be the first to disassociate myself with this sport and take up checkers. But when it comes to that point, hunting will no longer be a sport, it will no longer be a pastime, it will be a business, and there will no longer be any hunters, there will be consumers.
As for have I or will I ever use and outfitter, NO. The idea behind outfitting goes against everything that I believe hunting should be, and I will not take part in it.
The question of do I think the landowner should let me hunt on him because I helphim out, the answer is no. That landownerowes me nothing, Iowe him. If my acts of appreciation are not enough, and are trumphed by you, the person whom the man has never met, but is waving wads of cash in his face, if that gives you moreright to hunt that property then I concede. But again the guys I hunt on owe me nothing, and I don't blame them for taking the money,most of them arestruggling to get buy just thesame as I am,and if someone of you persuasion is willing to take advantage ofthat, well, more power to you.
I hope now I have proven myself to you, I hope I have answered all of your questions. And if I haven't satisfied you, well...I just don't care.
I'm sorry if I have been a little rude in some of my past posts, but it is frustrating to have been able to hunt 5 years ago without worry about losing where you were hunting, without worry about putting up a treestand and wondering how if you would have to take it down at the end of the season. You and I disagree because we are on completly opposite sides of this debate. I am the unfortunate one who is going to lose wheter I like it or not. You have the upper hand, because you have your end of the business wrapped up. You are going to be able to opperate as an outfitter whether I like it or not. I am not going to get to keep the ground that I hunt whether I like it or not. As you can see, I am the one getting the shaft on this deal. Don't take me wrong, I am not trying to play the victim here, but if hunting is becoming a sport that not everyone can take part in, when it comes to the point where a man has to pay to hunt, a sport if a man wants to take his child hunting is going to have to pay thousands of dollars, then when it finally comes to that point, which you claim is what it is coming to and we as hunters should adapt to that, I will be the first to disassociate myself with this sport and take up checkers. But when it comes to that point, hunting will no longer be a sport, it will no longer be a pastime, it will be a business, and there will no longer be any hunters, there will be consumers.
As for have I or will I ever use and outfitter, NO. The idea behind outfitting goes against everything that I believe hunting should be, and I will not take part in it.
The question of do I think the landowner should let me hunt on him because I helphim out, the answer is no. That landownerowes me nothing, Iowe him. If my acts of appreciation are not enough, and are trumphed by you, the person whom the man has never met, but is waving wads of cash in his face, if that gives you moreright to hunt that property then I concede. But again the guys I hunt on owe me nothing, and I don't blame them for taking the money,most of them arestruggling to get buy just thesame as I am,and if someone of you persuasion is willing to take advantage ofthat, well, more power to you.
I hope now I have proven myself to you, I hope I have answered all of your questions. And if I haven't satisfied you, well...I just don't care.
01-29-2008 | 07:15 PM
#104
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Central Minnesota
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Sorry I got your shorts in a bunch there Splitear! All I did was point out that at least some outfitters( and I'd bet more than you could imagine) do manage their land properly.
It appears you are having a hard time dealing with reasonable posts that dont fit into your point of view[:'(]
By the way, you never answered my questions from before:
Have you ever or do you ever plan to use an outfitter to hunt away from home?
or this one:
You say you did things for your landowner...well it obviously wasn't enough. If your boss cut some firewood for you and maybe fixed your truck, should he be able to pay you less ? maybe he ought to be able to pay you less cause he likes you? The farmer is simply making a living with his land.The outfitter is part of it too but if there wasn't a market for it, neither would get any money. Your anger is misdirected. If the demand wasnt there, outfitting wouldnt exist. Outfitters didnt create the demand.BTW, Most situations I've seen with Illinois landowners is that they give the folks who presently huntfirst chance to match any offers they get.
You know, you are fortunate enough to live where the deer hunting can be phenomenal. I'm happy for you. I also understand to some extent that it must be frustrating that hunting around you has changed. The fact that hunters are now willing to pay to hunt where you live is not the fault of the outfitters or the landowners.
Ifyou discovered oil or gold or something else of value on your land, would you just give it to your friends or would you sell it? You know darn well that you'd sell it! Illinois landowners have discovered that there is a market for the right to hunt. Why should they give it to you for free?
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
Which is great for that one piece of property, but are you gonna tell me that all leased and outfitted properties are managed this way. You can find an example to prove anything that you want, but it still doesn't make you right. There are antlered does, but does that mean that the majority of does have antlers. It's not even worth arguing with you over these things because you are going to bend it to where you are in the right, and I the majority of Illinois resident HUNTERS are in the wrong. We are thieves because we "take something for nothing", and outfitters are saviors because all they do is give back. Give me a break man.
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
One property in Brown county
635 acres
Landowner requested a goal of 15 does taken
2007 harvest 15 does 6 bucks.
ALL but three of the does were shot by non residents. Those three were shot by the landowners family. It's all in how things are managed
One property in Brown county
635 acres
Landowner requested a goal of 15 does taken
2007 harvest 15 does 6 bucks.
ALL but three of the does were shot by non residents. Those three were shot by the landowners family. It's all in how things are managed
It appears you are having a hard time dealing with reasonable posts that dont fit into your point of view[:'(]
By the way, you never answered my questions from before:
Have you ever or do you ever plan to use an outfitter to hunt away from home?
or this one:
You say you did things for your landowner...well it obviously wasn't enough. If your boss cut some firewood for you and maybe fixed your truck, should he be able to pay you less ? maybe he ought to be able to pay you less cause he likes you? The farmer is simply making a living with his land.The outfitter is part of it too but if there wasn't a market for it, neither would get any money. Your anger is misdirected. If the demand wasnt there, outfitting wouldnt exist. Outfitters didnt create the demand.BTW, Most situations I've seen with Illinois landowners is that they give the folks who presently huntfirst chance to match any offers they get.
You know, you are fortunate enough to live where the deer hunting can be phenomenal. I'm happy for you. I also understand to some extent that it must be frustrating that hunting around you has changed. The fact that hunters are now willing to pay to hunt where you live is not the fault of the outfitters or the landowners.
Ifyou discovered oil or gold or something else of value on your land, would you just give it to your friends or would you sell it? You know darn well that you'd sell it! Illinois landowners have discovered that there is a market for the right to hunt. Why should they give it to you for free?
01-29-2008 | 07:45 PM
#105
Spike
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RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: englum_06
You can't tell me what is affordable. And yeah, you're right- I don't know of three guys thatcould pay $2,000 each to hunt. Maybe they would WANT to, but being ABLE to is a difference. Some people can't afford that. And even if they could, what would the other option be if the outfitter, like most would do, offered more than what the typical hunter can?
ORIGINAL: THWACK_007
You obviously dont know much do you? Outfitters lease many farmers land. They lease land for about $20-30 an acre. Are you telling me that is outrageous? I know of some prime spots that outfitters are leasing land for that price. So you dont know of 3-4 guys that wouldlease a 200 acre farm for $4000-6000 a year??
ORIGINAL: englum_06
I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something.
I would absolutely love for you to tell me how one man/family is supposed to pay a farmer more than what an outfitting business can. Must have some pretty deep pockets or something.
Well if I cant tell you what is affordable then I guess I cant answer YOUR original question! The majority of the people against outfitters are those wanting free, privately owned hunting grounds.
And by the way...I know many people that would $2000 a year for 200 acres of prime hunting and you would find many on this site that would!!
01-29-2008 | 08:31 PM
#106
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
Splitear,
Truceaccepted
I hope you believe it when I say that I'd much rather that it go back to the way it was. I'm a native of PA andthe type situation you guyshave now is bearing down on us. Will we have as much outfitting as you do? Probably not, but its starting around here and leasing is becoming more and more prevalent every season. I worry that we'll have to spend big $$ soon just to hunt close to home like you do and I don't like it either. AND OUR DEER AREN'T AS BIG AS YOURS
Again, my viewpoint is not quite average for someone involved in outfitting. This is not a business for me. I do it as a break-even (hopefully)hobby thing so I can hunt in your great state at little or no cost to me. It takes some of my time but I'm willing to invest that time.
I'd much rather use that time building and keeping a relationship with someone gracious enough to allow me the privilege of hunting their land without having to charge others. Unfortunately,thats not the way the world is going. I dont like it any more than you do. I simply chose to deal with it in a different way.
Truceaccepted
I hope you believe it when I say that I'd much rather that it go back to the way it was. I'm a native of PA andthe type situation you guyshave now is bearing down on us. Will we have as much outfitting as you do? Probably not, but its starting around here and leasing is becoming more and more prevalent every season. I worry that we'll have to spend big $$ soon just to hunt close to home like you do and I don't like it either. AND OUR DEER AREN'T AS BIG AS YOURS
Again, my viewpoint is not quite average for someone involved in outfitting. This is not a business for me. I do it as a break-even (hopefully)hobby thing so I can hunt in your great state at little or no cost to me. It takes some of my time but I'm willing to invest that time.
I'd much rather use that time building and keeping a relationship with someone gracious enough to allow me the privilege of hunting their land without having to charge others. Unfortunately,thats not the way the world is going. I dont like it any more than you do. I simply chose to deal with it in a different way.
01-29-2008 | 09:11 PM
#107
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Flora, IL
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
I live in the small town I grew up in. I had the desire to hunt at a very young age even though nobody in my family did. I would go door knocking and ask localfarmers for permission to huntin which some of them owned 10's of 1000's of acres. I was rejected and told they didnt want anyone hunting on them. I respected that because it was their property and their right to say no.Iended up findingout 1 of my buddies dad had 80 acresthat I could deer hunt on.
I hunted this property for many years and let them know I was grateful.When I got marriedmy wifes father farmed and I gained some pretty good hunting grounds. Not alot in terms of major acres. When I started hunting HIS property I run into all these rednecks who tell me to get off their ground. I beg to differ with them and tell them they are on priviate property. They tell me they have hunted this property for years and they were not going to stop. These are also the ding dongs who shoot with the spot light because they stink to much to get into the woods with a mature buck.Anyway I happen to persuade them ina different direction on their thoughts. Now they just sneak in on the neighbors property who dont allow hunting and claim it as their own.
I started a hunting club and leased up quite a bit of property around Wayne and Clay County IL. I have fellow hunters from within the state and outwho pay me yearly dues to hunt the property. I have built a nice place for them to stay while they are in hunting and we have a blast managing the properties. We take an average of 40 deer a year and usually about 8 to 10 bucks.I dont profit from the club just have a decent place to hunt.
I know what it is like not having a place to hunt due to all the priviate property butI am not going to complain at a person for securing a place for himself and others to hunt by outfitting. I am not going to complain about a landowner making extra money for himselfand his familybecause they leased to anoutfitter.I will complain at the redneck who thinks just because he has hunted someones property forseveral years that gives him control over it. Maybe those losing hunting property should have offered to pay the property taxes or spend countless hours in a tractor to compensate the farmer on his losses for his hand out. Its like the hunter welfare system. Some people are willing to go outand work hard for the ground they have to hunt. They seem to appriciate it alot more than the person who wants it given to them. Just typicalUSA I guess.I know a farmer who completely shut down hunting on his property. If a person was decent enough to ask for permission he would give it. Several people started bickering and running his own family out of his woods because it was their hunting spot.
Which is worse? An outfitter who has paid money to a landowner to legally have hunting rights onthe property, boosted the local economy, help maintain a healty deer herd, prevent trespassing and poaching(one in the same) or some poor excuse of a redneck hunter who thinks he should have access to ever chunk of timber to wack every deer he can so he add to his stack of illegal antlers nailed on his garage wall.
Guess I better get back to the question! I have been on severaloutfitted fishing trips. If I didnt I would not have had a clue where to begin. I have not been on an outfitted hunt. When I can afford it I plan on taking a fully guided bou hunt. So I will hunt with an outfitter.
I hunted this property for many years and let them know I was grateful.When I got marriedmy wifes father farmed and I gained some pretty good hunting grounds. Not alot in terms of major acres. When I started hunting HIS property I run into all these rednecks who tell me to get off their ground. I beg to differ with them and tell them they are on priviate property. They tell me they have hunted this property for years and they were not going to stop. These are also the ding dongs who shoot with the spot light because they stink to much to get into the woods with a mature buck.Anyway I happen to persuade them ina different direction on their thoughts. Now they just sneak in on the neighbors property who dont allow hunting and claim it as their own.
I started a hunting club and leased up quite a bit of property around Wayne and Clay County IL. I have fellow hunters from within the state and outwho pay me yearly dues to hunt the property. I have built a nice place for them to stay while they are in hunting and we have a blast managing the properties. We take an average of 40 deer a year and usually about 8 to 10 bucks.I dont profit from the club just have a decent place to hunt.
I know what it is like not having a place to hunt due to all the priviate property butI am not going to complain at a person for securing a place for himself and others to hunt by outfitting. I am not going to complain about a landowner making extra money for himselfand his familybecause they leased to anoutfitter.I will complain at the redneck who thinks just because he has hunted someones property forseveral years that gives him control over it. Maybe those losing hunting property should have offered to pay the property taxes or spend countless hours in a tractor to compensate the farmer on his losses for his hand out. Its like the hunter welfare system. Some people are willing to go outand work hard for the ground they have to hunt. They seem to appriciate it alot more than the person who wants it given to them. Just typicalUSA I guess.I know a farmer who completely shut down hunting on his property. If a person was decent enough to ask for permission he would give it. Several people started bickering and running his own family out of his woods because it was their hunting spot.
Which is worse? An outfitter who has paid money to a landowner to legally have hunting rights onthe property, boosted the local economy, help maintain a healty deer herd, prevent trespassing and poaching(one in the same) or some poor excuse of a redneck hunter who thinks he should have access to ever chunk of timber to wack every deer he can so he add to his stack of illegal antlers nailed on his garage wall.
Guess I better get back to the question! I have been on severaloutfitted fishing trips. If I didnt I would not have had a clue where to begin. I have not been on an outfitted hunt. When I can afford it I plan on taking a fully guided bou hunt. So I will hunt with an outfitter.
01-29-2008 | 09:16 PM
#108
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RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: THWACK_007
Well if I cant tell you what is affordable then I guess I cant answer YOUR original question!
ORIGINAL: englum_06
You can't tell me what is affordable.
ORIGINAL: englum_06
I would absolutely love for you to tell me
I would absolutely love for you to tell me
You can't tell me what is affordable.
Well if I cant tell you what is affordable then I guess I cant answer YOUR original question!
I love everyones reasoning skills.
01-29-2008 | 09:36 PM
#109
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Albion Illinois
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
So now the average hunter who but a few years ago got permission to LEGALY hunt property is a welfare hunter because he can't afford to pay to hunt. So again, I go back to a statement I made earlier, in the future there will be landowners, outfitters, and consumers, and no WELFARE HUNTERS.It's great that you can afford to pay for hunting ground, but some can't. I said a lot earlier that I hope one day to own my own property, but I hate to think of the guys that may never be able to afford to pay for hunting ground. They will be forced out, and other HUNTERS like you think that is just how buisness' run their course. It's great how greed can turn everything into a buisness. YAY GREED!
01-29-2008 | 10:01 PM
#110
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Typical Buck
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: East Central Illinois
RE: What is your view on Outfitters?
ORIGINAL: IL_ray_phillips
I live in the small town I grew up in. I had the desire to hunt at a very young age even though nobody in my family did. I would go door knocking and ask localfarmers for permission to huntin which some of them owned 10's of 1000's of acres. I was rejected and told they didnt want anyone hunting on them. I respected that because it was their property and their right to say no.Iended up findingout 1 of my buddies dad had 80 acresthat I could deer hunt on.
I hunted this property for many years and let them know I was grateful.When I got marriedmy wifes father farmed and I gained some pretty good hunting grounds. Not alot in terms of major acres. When I started hunting HIS property I run into all these rednecks who tell me to get off their ground. I beg to differ with them and tell them they are on priviate property. They tell me they have hunted this property for years and they were not going to stop. These are also the ding dongs who shoot with the spot light because they stink to much to get into the woods with a mature buck.Anyway I happen to persuade them ina different direction on their thoughts. Now they just sneak in on the neighbors property who dont allow hunting and claim it as their own.
I started a hunting club and leased up quite a bit of property around Wayne and Clay County IL. I have fellow hunters from within the state and outwho pay me yearly dues to hunt the property. I have built a nice place for them to stay while they are in hunting and we have a blast managing the properties. We take an average of 40 deer a year and usually about 8 to 10 bucks.I dont profit from the club just have a decent place to hunt.
I know what it is like not having a place to hunt due to all the priviate property butI am not going to complain at a person for securing a place for himself and others to hunt by outfitting. I am not going to complain about a landowner making extra money for himselfand his familybecause they leased to anoutfitter.I will complain at the redneck who thinks just because he has hunted someones property forseveral years that gives him control over it. Maybe those losing hunting property should have offered to pay the property taxes or spend countless hours in a tractor to compensate the farmer on his losses for his hand out. Its like the hunter welfare system. Some people are willing to go outand work hard for the ground they have to hunt. They seem to appriciate it alot more than the person who wants it given to them. Just typicalUSA I guess.I know a farmer who completely shut down hunting on his property. If a person was decent enough to ask for permission he would give it. Several people started bickering and running his own family out of his woods because it was their hunting spot.
Which is worse? An outfitter who has paid money to a landowner to legally have hunting rights onthe property, boosted the local economy, help maintain a healty deer herd, prevent trespassing and poaching(one in the same) or some poor excuse of a redneck hunter who thinks he should have access to ever chunk of timber to wack every deer he can so he add to his stack of illegal antlers nailed on his garage wall.
Guess I better get back to the question! I have been on severaloutfitted fishing trips. If I didnt I would not have had a clue where to begin. I have not been on an outfitted hunt. When I can afford it I plan on taking a fully guided bou hunt. So I will hunt with an outfitter.
I live in the small town I grew up in. I had the desire to hunt at a very young age even though nobody in my family did. I would go door knocking and ask localfarmers for permission to huntin which some of them owned 10's of 1000's of acres. I was rejected and told they didnt want anyone hunting on them. I respected that because it was their property and their right to say no.Iended up findingout 1 of my buddies dad had 80 acresthat I could deer hunt on.
I hunted this property for many years and let them know I was grateful.When I got marriedmy wifes father farmed and I gained some pretty good hunting grounds. Not alot in terms of major acres. When I started hunting HIS property I run into all these rednecks who tell me to get off their ground. I beg to differ with them and tell them they are on priviate property. They tell me they have hunted this property for years and they were not going to stop. These are also the ding dongs who shoot with the spot light because they stink to much to get into the woods with a mature buck.Anyway I happen to persuade them ina different direction on their thoughts. Now they just sneak in on the neighbors property who dont allow hunting and claim it as their own.
I started a hunting club and leased up quite a bit of property around Wayne and Clay County IL. I have fellow hunters from within the state and outwho pay me yearly dues to hunt the property. I have built a nice place for them to stay while they are in hunting and we have a blast managing the properties. We take an average of 40 deer a year and usually about 8 to 10 bucks.I dont profit from the club just have a decent place to hunt.
I know what it is like not having a place to hunt due to all the priviate property butI am not going to complain at a person for securing a place for himself and others to hunt by outfitting. I am not going to complain about a landowner making extra money for himselfand his familybecause they leased to anoutfitter.I will complain at the redneck who thinks just because he has hunted someones property forseveral years that gives him control over it. Maybe those losing hunting property should have offered to pay the property taxes or spend countless hours in a tractor to compensate the farmer on his losses for his hand out. Its like the hunter welfare system. Some people are willing to go outand work hard for the ground they have to hunt. They seem to appriciate it alot more than the person who wants it given to them. Just typicalUSA I guess.I know a farmer who completely shut down hunting on his property. If a person was decent enough to ask for permission he would give it. Several people started bickering and running his own family out of his woods because it was their hunting spot.
Which is worse? An outfitter who has paid money to a landowner to legally have hunting rights onthe property, boosted the local economy, help maintain a healty deer herd, prevent trespassing and poaching(one in the same) or some poor excuse of a redneck hunter who thinks he should have access to ever chunk of timber to wack every deer he can so he add to his stack of illegal antlers nailed on his garage wall.
Guess I better get back to the question! I have been on severaloutfitted fishing trips. If I didnt I would not have had a clue where to begin. I have not been on an outfitted hunt. When I can afford it I plan on taking a fully guided bou hunt. So I will hunt with an outfitter.
I love how maybe just because some people can't afford to pay to lease, that that makes them a poor excuse of a poaching redneck. Wow man you're way off base on that one.