Steering Deer with natural barrier materials
01-26-2008 | 01:10 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
ORIGINAL: loogout1
If the wall or fence in question were made out of treestand camo netting, would it be ok then?
If the wall or fence in question were made out of treestand camo netting, would it be ok then?
01-26-2008 | 02:07 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
ORIGINAL: GregH
Or they jump over it.
Or they jump over it.
I guess that the point of this thread is that there are ways to place an obstacle on a deer trail in an effort to cause them to detour closer to your stand for whatever reason.
Another way to alter deer movement is to ( if you have permission) tie the top wire to the next wire down on a fence, creating a low spot. Very simple and extremely effective.
Again........using a fence to steer a deer to your stand.......how is that different then a fence put up all around a property for the exact same purpose? They both do the same thing.........cause a deer to alter it's natural path and guide him to a waiting hunter.
01-26-2008 | 02:25 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would suggest that there is a rather large difference between a "fence wall" or other barrierthat may be 20ft in lengthand a fence or other barrier that encompasses a given area. A wall may divert the direction of deer but does not restrict them from leaving the area entirely, if they so choose.
ORIGINAL: atlasman
My point is that in fenced areas the only fence a deer knows and effects his movement is the one in front of him...........when he gets to it he either turns around or walks along it looking for an opening..........What happens when a deer gets to a fence in the woods??..........same thing right?
My point is that in fenced areas the only fence a deer knows and effects his movement is the one in front of him...........when he gets to it he either turns around or walks along it looking for an opening..........What happens when a deer gets to a fence in the woods??..........same thing right?
You are giving the deer too much credit..........they don't think logically oruse complex reasoning. They act, live, and survive based on instinct. A deer doesn't know there is a world outside thepen and doesn't care.......They know a barrier when they reach it.........that could be agorge, a river, a road, a fence, a building,a blow down, or a mountain......they don't differentiate between them and they don't consider any more then the one directly in front of them.Their state of mind will decide what they do when they reach it.Enough stress will cause them to either try to run right through it or jump over it............but usually in an unstressed state itwill simply alter their movement by either turning them aroundor guiding them along it's path.
A fence is afence to a deer............they couldn't care less if there is another one 1,000 acres away in the opposite direction ornot. They see the barrier in front of them and react accordingly......which is what hunters are banking on (in both scenerios).
01-26-2008 | 02:34 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
You are giving the deer too much credit..........they don't think logically oruse complex reasoning. They act, live, and survive based on instinct. A deer doesn't know there is a world outside thepen and doesn't care.......They know a barrier when they reach it.........that could be agorge, a river, a road, a fence, a building,a blow down, or a mountain......they don't differentiate between them and they don't consider any more then the one directly in front of them.Their state of mind will decide what they do when they reach it.Enough stress will cause them to either try to run right through it or jump over it............but usually in an unstressed state itwill simply alter their movement by either turning them aroundor guiding them along it's path.
A fence is afence to a deer............they couldn't care less if there is another one 1,000 acres away in the opposite direction ornot. They see the barrier in front of them and react accordingly......which is what hunters are banking on (in both scenerios).
A fence is afence to a deer............they couldn't care less if there is another one 1,000 acres away in the opposite direction ornot. They see the barrier in front of them and react accordingly......which is what hunters are banking on (in both scenerios).
For the record....I agree with what you wrote. These deer are instinctive. They're not that smart. People want to seem to put them and their "reasoning" on some kind of pedestal. I don't buy it.
To them....things are pretty cut and dried.
01-26-2008 | 02:51 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
I dunno atlas.....they can supposedly tell the difference between a couple of guys walking in the woods with camo on......and a couple of guys walking in the woods cutting wood. Supposedly they're scared of the hunters but not the wood cutters.
I dunno atlas.....they can supposedly tell the difference between a couple of guys walking in the woods with camo on......and a couple of guys walking in the woods cutting wood. Supposedly they're scared of the hunters but not the wood cutters.
How many big bucks fall that jump up right in front of a hunter?? (gun) (mostcommon story according to my taxidermist friend who has done it for about 30+years). They will just let you walk right by...........unless they thinkyou spotted them........then it's time to bolt.
01-26-2008 | 03:00 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
There is all kinds of steering, I myself had a deer steered right to me by Uncle Trigger in Dec
Very few of us have hunted deer on their terms. The first three days of gun season in MI is carzy. DeerI shot was pushed to mewhen he went for aride on his 4 wheeler
With all my setups I try and use terrrain, natural barriers I create to steer the deer in range. As you can tell it work great this year.[8D]
I do it to make it easier to kill that damn deer
Very few of us have hunted deer on their terms. The first three days of gun season in MI is carzy. DeerI shot was pushed to mewhen he went for aride on his 4 wheelerWith all my setups I try and use terrrain, natural barriers I create to steer the deer in range. As you can tell it work great this year.[8D]
I do it to make it easier to kill that damn deer
01-26-2008 | 03:35 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
I believe their reactions to the above are based on the behavior of the men..........woodcutters are not paying attention to a deer atall.........they are going about their business. A hunter is focused on the deer and they know it.
"I" think the deer don't differentiate. "I" think that ALL they know is......another 2-legger has been in their house. Don't matter "why".....or "what for". They just know he IS there.....or has been.
Just my opinion.......
01-26-2008 | 05:19 PM
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RE: Steering Deer with natural barriers
ORIGINAL: atlasman
You are giving the deer too much credit..........they don't think logically oruse complex reasoning. They act, live, and survive based on instinct. A deer doesn't know there is a world outside thepen and doesn't care.......They know a barrier when they reach it.........that could be agorge, a river, a road, a fence, a building,a blow down, or a mountain......they don't differentiate between them and they don't consider any more then the one directly in front of them.Their state of mind will decide what they do when they reach it.Enough stress will cause them to either try to run right through it or jump over it............but usually in an unstressed state itwill simply alter their movement by either turning them aroundor guiding them along it's path.
A fence is afence to a deer............they couldn't care less if there is another one 1,000 acres away in the opposite direction ornot. They see the barrier in front of them and react accordingly......which is what hunters are banking on (in both scenerios).
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would suggest that there is a rather large difference between a "fence wall" or other barrierthat may be 20ft in lengthand a fence or other barrier that encompasses a given area. A wall may divert the direction of deer but does not restrict them from leaving the area entirely, if they so choose.
ORIGINAL: atlasman
My point is that in fenced areas the only fence a deer knows and effects his movement is the one in front of him...........when he gets to it he either turns around or walks along it looking for an opening..........What happens when a deer gets to a fence in the woods??..........same thing right?
My point is that in fenced areas the only fence a deer knows and effects his movement is the one in front of him...........when he gets to it he either turns around or walks along it looking for an opening..........What happens when a deer gets to a fence in the woods??..........same thing right?
You are giving the deer too much credit..........they don't think logically oruse complex reasoning. They act, live, and survive based on instinct. A deer doesn't know there is a world outside thepen and doesn't care.......They know a barrier when they reach it.........that could be agorge, a river, a road, a fence, a building,a blow down, or a mountain......they don't differentiate between them and they don't consider any more then the one directly in front of them.Their state of mind will decide what they do when they reach it.Enough stress will cause them to either try to run right through it or jump over it............but usually in an unstressed state itwill simply alter their movement by either turning them aroundor guiding them along it's path.
A fence is afence to a deer............they couldn't care less if there is another one 1,000 acres away in the opposite direction ornot. They see the barrier in front of them and react accordingly......which is what hunters are banking on (in both scenerios).
If they are inside an enclosure(fence) they can't choose to go outside theenclosure or choose to avoid the enclosure, they are stuck inside the enclosure. They will always be inside the enclosure and eventually you will be able to shoot them. They can't leave regardless of any pressure they may sense.