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Bad shot or not???
I was watching Dream Season 8 yesterday and one of the amatures shot a buck in the chest. He went back to camp and they all watched the film and the Drury bothers chewed him out. The naxt day they found the buck not 100 yds from where he was shot. Bad thing was, this guy was from Va not 20 from me!!!!!!! made us look bad..... do you guys take shot like this, I have not, and don't plan on it.
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no
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Never take that shot, they are lucky the found him and the chew out was deserved assuming because I haven't seen it that the deer was facing him? I applaud them for showing it to perhaps sway other hunters to not take that shot.
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I've heard of a guy, the son of a dentist I know who is a championship caliber archer and claims this is the only shot he takes, a braodside shot being too easy. Claims he has never lost a deer. Now that is a personal descision and for the vast majority of us this is an unethical shot.
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Wasn't it HAZCON7 that killed a buck w/ that shot this year? Buck didn't go far either......
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Personally, I like to shoot the artery that runs just above the LEFT testicle ... that's the only way I feel it was a challenge :D
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The question was would "WE" take the shot. I won't....but I also won't project my ethics onto someone elese in this area.
If a man is confident he can place his arrow into the vitals of a whitetail deer.......and he takes that shot.......he won't hear a peep outta me. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Personally, I like to shoot the artery that runs just above the LEFT testicle ... that's the only way I feel it was a challenge :D |
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What about a blood trail? Is there on with a shot in the chest??
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I've never taken that shot with a bow, blood trailmight be an issue since there likely wouldn't be an exit wound unless it was a steep angle shot. Basically you can hit the same vitals you would on a well placed broadside shot but the margin for error is less.
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I personally wouldn't take that shot. It would have to be VERY special circumstances for me to take it. However, with a rifle, I would. I took my first deer with a rifle this way. Needless to say he didn't go far.
I feel like I am capable making that shot, but there is too much of a risk involved. I'll still take my broadside/quatering away shots.:) |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Personally, I like to shoot the artery that runs just above the LEFT testicle ... that's the only way I feel it was a challenge :D |
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did he shoot it head on in the chest????? If so I would never take that shot!
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ORIGINAL: mobow Wasn't it HAZCON7 that killed a buck w/ that shot this year? Buck didn't go far either...... I personally wouldnt take that shot on a whitetail. I have read that on an elk, it is as ethical as a broadside shot... |
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To many bad things can happen on a shot like that. Its no way as good as a broadside shot, not even close!
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i am a very ethical hunter, I killed my buck this year right through the chest/shoulder the arrow penetrated about 12 inches and the deer collapsed within 60 yards. Most people would claim that also to be a bad shot but if its a close shot, trust your equipment, and if you have enough bow to get through the bone it will do the trick. I have also seen perfectly shot deer not go down for several hundred yards with lung hits, and havelittle blood trail.I just think its pretty much a crap shoot either way. There are way to many variables for any one answer, in my opinion no one will ever be able to answer that question and make everyone agree
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When I first started bowhunting I took a buck with that shot he never took another step. I was on the ground and he raised his head to lick a branch while making a scrape, second time he did it a buried an arrow in him middle of the chest, he dropped right there. 15-18 yards away he acted like a train hit him. Reared back on his hind legs and and almost did a flip.
Haven't had the same oppurtunity on another one like that since, but I'll tell you what, it was allmost an an immediate kill. |
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If you can picture this buck straight on, it's basically the shot I took.
 I aimed right where the darker fur stops going toward the neck,basically center chest. The arrow penetrated right up to the nock. Just stole this off a guys avator, this basically the shot angle I had.  |
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Not exactly a shot I would take, but if you have enough kinetic energy and can make the shot accurately enough then I would not pass judgement.
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This shot is often the only angle you can get on an elk. They are coming in to the call . . . and if they see,smell,or hear something they don't like, thenext shot angle you are going to get is south end of a northbound elk. But it's a lot smaller kill zone than broadside. Basically, it's the area just inside the crease of the near shoulder blade. The arrow is going to pass through the chest, likely only hitting one lung, and wind up punching a hole in the diaphram. You may not get any blood trail at all, at least initially - as the arrow will often lodge completely inside the animal. So far, I haven't taken this kind of a shot. I might, though, if the distance was close and the terrain was more open.
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I've taken just about every shot known... except head on. In fact, I don't ever remember taking a quartering to shot either. If a deer is quartering to or head on and keeps coming I'll get a broadside or going away. If he gets nervous and turns to leave I'll probably get a quick broadside shot if I'm drawn and ready.
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That's a terrible shot angle, extremely low percentage, you have a better chance of hitting breastbone and the arrow deflecting from the vitals. Not to say it can't be deadly but like another post even a random a$# shot can get the job done it's just not the ethical way to go.
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ORIGINAL: Roskoe This shot is often the only angle you can get on an elk. They are coming in to the call . . . and if they see,smell,or hear something they don't like, thenext shot angle you are going to get is south end of a northbound elk. But it's a lot smaller kill zone than broadside. Basically, it's the area just inside the crease of the near shoulder blade. The arrow is going to pass through the chest, likely only hitting one lung, and wind up punching a hole in the diaphram. You may not get any blood trail at all, at least initially - as the arrow will often lodge completely inside the animal. So far, I haven't taken this kind of a shot. I might, though, if the distance was close and the terrain was more open. |
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You talking to me Canuck? Deflected the breast bone? Why wouldn't would the rib cage deflect an arrow too?
Whatever I took the shot along time ago, it was a one step track judge. Judge away. That's a terrible shot angle |
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It's a devastingly deadly shot IF you hit what you need to, you have plenty to hit there, heart, one lung, major arteries leading from heart, diaphram and liver
There's also major bone structure to avoid, sternum and shoulders. There is a soft spot above the sternum, I've talked to elk hunters/guides who say take this shot any chance you get if you know where the softball sized area is and can hit it. For the record, I've never taken it. Well with a bow, I have with a gun |
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I have also seen perfectly shot deer not go down for several hundred yards with lung hits, and havelittle blood trail.I just think its pretty much a crap shoot either way. There are way to many variables for any one answer, in my opinion no one will ever be able to answer that question and make everyone agree I am not an expert when it comes to deer anataomy and how if relates to bowkills, but I do know this. People in general have been bowhunting a lot longer than anyone on this board, and over the years the shot in question has generally been accepted as a non ethical shot, which I am pretty sure was derived from the accumulation of trial and error results from many differrent hunters. If someone wants to go against this conventional wisdom, let your conscience be your guide, but also keep in mind lethal does not make it an ethical shot. I made that mistake early in my bowhunting tenure and took a chance on a slight quartering to shot. I killed the deer (lethal)and found it about 2 weeks later with the help of crows over 400 yards away from where I shot the deer. For me, a 2 week late recovery of "horns only" is not what hunting is about.(unethical) Worst feeling I have ever had as a hunter, because all information available to me told me not to take the shot, but I thought I was "better" than the average hunter and could get away with it. WRONG |
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ORIGINAL: jackflap I have also seen perfectly shot deer not go down for several hundred yards with lung hits, and havelittle blood trail.I just think its pretty much a crap shoot either way. There are way to many variables for any one answer, in my opinion no one will ever be able to answer that question and make everyone agree I am not an expert when it comes to deer anataomy and how if relates to bowkills, but I do know this. People in general have been bowhunting a lot longer than anyone on this board, and over the years the shot in question has generally been accepted as a non ethical shot, which I am pretty sure was derived from the accumulation of trial and error results from many differrent hunters. If someone wants to go against this conventional wisdom, let your conscience be your guide, but also keep in mind lethal does not make it an ethical shot. I made that mistake early in my bowhunting tenure and took a chance on a slight quartering to shot. I killed the deer (lethal)and found it about 2 weeks later with the help of crows over 400 yards away from where I shot the deer. For me, a 2 week late recovery of "horns only" is not what hunting is about.(unethical) Worst feeling I have ever had as a hunter, because all information available to me told me not to take the shot, but I thought I was "better" than the average hunter and could get away with it. WRONG |
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It is the individual hunter's personal abilities and beliefs systemthat determines whether a shot is ethical or unethical.
Not anyone else's. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT It is the individual hunter's personal abilities and beliefs systemthat determines whether a shot is ethical or unethical. Not anyone else's. |
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Ive watched a thousand hunting videos and I would say 2 out of 10 bow shots I see on big bucks on the videos are taken on quartering towards shots. That guy got chewed out but sometimes when you are nervous, haven't seen a buck that big, and are on camera for the first time, you make bad decisions. That is what happened to that guy, he was a good guy and didn't mean to do anything wrong.
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Yeh, I felt for him, we have all done the bad shot thing, or at least most of us have, he really felt terrible about it, in fact, when they found the deer he cried, not because it was so huge, but because he didn't have to feel like he let the Drury's down anymore.
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Well from my way of thinking, I think it was all pretty staged I figure. I believe they wanted to keep it in the video but had to do something to counter the ethics posse ahead of time.
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT It is the individual hunter's personal abilities and beliefs systemthat determines whether a shot is ethical or unethical. Not anyone else's. |
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ORIGINAL: davidmil Well from my way of thinking, I think it was all pretty staged I figure. I believe they wanted to keep it in the video but had to do something to counter the ethics posse ahead of time. |
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ORIGINAL: Vabowman I was watching Dream Season 8 yesterday and one of the amatures shot a buck in the chest. He went back to camp and they all watched the film and the Drury bothers chewed him out. The naxt day they found the buck not 100 yds from where he was shot. Bad thing was, this guy was from Va not 20 from me!!!!!!! made us look bad..... do you guys take shot like this, I have not, and don't plan on it. I am going to get 1 shop chance at 140+ buck in MI per year. Drury's can let a 140 walk and 2 more may come down the trail. When I get a deer in range, and I feel it is a Killing shot I am going to take it. I could careless what the Drury boys think about it;) |
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It is the individual hunter's personal abilities and beliefs systemthat determines whether a shot is ethical or unethical. Not anyone else's. Unfortunately, there are those who will try and force a shot, especially on trophy animals,because they think they have the ability to make it and so long as they can recover the horns in the next several weeks they are okay taking the shot and will still feel good about it. Therefore it fits their belief system and they may have the ability to make the shot more so than others, but that does not make it ethical if time proven results has warranted it a low percentage shot in regards to being lethal and recoverable. |
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I have taken a head on shot once.I was still hunting in the rain and walked up on a pibald doe. She was about 25 yards away slightly up hill. I drew and she picked up my movement. She squared up to me and started to do the head bob and foot stomp. The aarow hit where I was aiming in the center of he chest and abouthalf of the aarowexited he rear end. She took one hop and died within 2 feet of whare ahe was standing.
I would never have take the shot from a treestand, but at the time I felt pretty comfortable with my ability to make a good clean kill. |
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Unfortunately, there are those who will try and force a shot, especially on trophy animals,because they think they have the ability to make it and so long as they can recover the horns in the next several weeks they are okay taking the shot and will still feel good about it. Therefore it fits their belief system and they may have the ability to make the shot more so than others, but that does not make it ethical if time proven results has warranted it a low percentage shot in regards to being lethal and recoverable. See? You can say "I don't think it was ethical" and that's fine. It's your opinion. |
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Two steps, LOL
I have seen drury(terry) make some piss poor shots with deer 20 yds broadside;) I have let 3 bucks walk over 150'' inside 20 yds the past 10 years, they still haunt me. I was not comfortable with the shot, I have let does walk also. Not only do we have horn porn or envy. We have shot addiction as well, kill is no good these days unless it is the "perfect shot" kill. This is putting way to much pressure on hunters. The killzone is the size of a basketball. Stick and arrow in there and tell Drury's to go pound sand:D Side note I happen to like both those guys. The shot police is getting old IMO |
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It is a extremly difficult shot and very liitle room for error. Typically this shot doesn't bleed very well either. It is not a shot that I would personally take, ever.
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