Hey Thundermug,
Your sitting 12-25 feet up a tree in the snow,sleet,rain and wind trying to shoot a metal stick on which the end is a razor honed to it's highest potential...and your worried about carbon fiber?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

It really is personal preference now isn't it guys, ya'll can argue the paint off the wall, but it comes down to what your comfortable and confident with.

Hey Paul,
I think of that story every time I draw indoors now!

Good shootin' everyone...

Trushot }}------>

trushot archer

1st of all you won't catch me in the rain sleet snow wind combo. I'm allergic to cold weather, thats why I live in Florida!



FOOLPROOF?
Never underestimate the power of a fool!

What if the &quot;Hokey Pokey&quot; really is what it's all about?

I suppose I'll shut up than Thunder!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

BTW that &quot;Hokey Pokey&quot; thing CRACKS ME UP!

Trushot }}------>

Yeah, I liked it too. I first saw it at a BMW garage I rewired.

FOOLPROOF?
Never underestimate the power of a fool!

What if the &quot;Hokey Pokey&quot; really is what it's all about?

I just some game tracker carbons today, switching from easton 2317's alluminum. I have to say there is give and take on both sides of this debate. the flight of the carbon is by far faster 30 fps for me to be exact, and a flatter shooting arrow. we know the weight is the real reason but if carbon is the type that gives you this low wieght, fast, flat flying arrow then that is why I went with it and those are the good things I have found thus far. Now for the bad,. my bow is a little louder, was a tad bit more difficult to get the groups tight but once I did thats where they stayed.

I figure it like this, If i can get that much more speed and still group up tight, then the slight more noise and bi annual bow adjustments are worth it. alluminums bend and need replacing more often , but strings replacement annually and bow adjustments annually with carbons.. all balances out to me..

I'll stay with the faster, flatter flyer.

one more thought,, the deer is going to hear any bow shoot, but the arrow getting there before he reacts is where speed plays the roll.

I shoot aluminum because that is what I have always shot. I have shot carbons, only because a friend gave me a dozen ICS hunters I shot one deer with them out of a recurve good penatration for only 45lbs. The deer went 40 yards and went down. The arrow broke in half when the deer fell on it but a aluminum arrow would of bent or broke in half to. It is all personal preference. If we all shot the same thing the archery companys would go out of business

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> one more thought,, the deer is going to hear any bow shoot, but the arrow getting there before he reacts is where speed plays the roll. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Without allowing for wind drag... Arrow A @ 280 fps will go 30 yards in .321 second. Arrow B @ 250 fps will go 30 yards in .360 second. I'd rather have the quieter bow, gambling on keeping the deer from reacting at all instead of gambling that 39 milliseconds will make up for the extra noise.


But, not all bows give extra noise with carbons. Like Silentassassin says, if your bow makes noise with lightweight carbons, then you sinply need to buy a different bow. (Actually, after exhaustive research, I've found that a dozen heavy aluminum arrows is much less expensive than a new bow.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>)

Some of you guys need to broaden your horizons and start reading a larger diversity of posts. Read the posts on Bowtech Patriot and the Mathews LX and the Hoyt Cybertec (yes they are still making compounds) you could read reviews about theses &quot;New Fangled Contraptions&quot; and how they already shoot quieter with 250 gr. arrow than the bows of 5 or 6 years ago did with an 800 gr. arrow. You read about new innovations such as parrallel limb design and read about the vibration disipating characteristics of this design. Then you could read about sandtrap limb pockets and the vibration deadening effects of the sand trap etc.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Without allowing for wind drag... Arrow A @ 280 fps will go 30 yards in .321 second. Arrow B @ 250 fps will go 30 yards in .360 second. I'd rather have the quieter bow, gambling on keeping the deer from reacting at all instead of gambling that 39 milliseconds will make up for the extra noise. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> I would also be willing to gamble that my Patriot with a 400gr. is as quiet if not quieter than whatever compound that you are shooting is with a 800 gr. arrow. Heavy arrows don't simply wave a magic wand and make noise go away. If your bow is noisey and you shoot a 900 gr arrow and mine is quiet and I shoot a 400 gr. arrow then the quiet bow with the 400 gr. arrow may be even quieter than a noisier bow.

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

I replied to &quot;It'll be a cold day in ...&quot; with the question I asked myself regarding the carbon vs. aluminum deal. &quot;What's the difference and does it really even matter?&quot;

Wood shafted arrows have taken more game than either. Heck, 1/3 of my archery deer harvest were along with my first gobbler and my only elk. Hopefully there will be more in my future.

Make your choice and be happy with it. I am with mine, so again, why change?





Shoot often - Hunt always

http://www.archeryhistory.com/compou...70/rigid78.jpg

Rigid bow, 1977. Parallel limb technology is a new innovation?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

The difference is, with my aluminum arrows, I don't NEED to pay extra money for sand traps, rubber whatsits, other vibration damping hooey, and old, failed ideas that have been revived from the grave, represented as new technology and given a fancy new name .

Edited by - Arthur P on 02/07/2003 13:18:05