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Another twist on "mature" bucks
If you killed a 3.5 yr old buck......would you say you've killed a "mature" buck?
Yes or No.....or expound if you'd like. Me....I say YES. |
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Yes
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in my area ...... absolutely!
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A deer over 42 months is mature...Its not a hypothesis, its a biological conclusion.
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No
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i would say that. i dont think thats when most deer are at their prime, but a lot of bucks do not live to reach their prime.
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Where i hunt......... yes
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Yes
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Yes a think he is mature and would be happy with him.
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yes sir
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yup!
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No, mature to me is at least 4.5.
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I think he's of drinking age, but notthinking age. Once he's had a few more kids and can hold it down, I'd say so... like next fall.
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ORIGINAL: Hoytail Hunter I think he's of drinking age, but notthinking age. Once he's had a few more kids and can hold it down, I'd say so... like next fall. ![]() |
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I think I would agree with Dan, 4.5.
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yes i would say that 3.5 yrs old is mature.....BUT its not fully mature
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I say 4-1/2 is a mature deer.
I don't know what area has to do with a buck being mature at a certain age. Do deerage faster in thenortheast than they do in the midwest? Do deer in the south age fasterthan deer in the west?Just because you don't see manydeer older than 3-1/2in your area, doesn't necessarily mean that deer is mature. |
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Maybe
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I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs.
I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this. There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will. A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period. I don't understand all the "I thinks"..... |
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No
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What does eveyone think "maturity" means? Physically mature?Sexually mature?Anterlymature? They all come at different ages.
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Mike welcome to my world here the last couple weeks buddy.
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs. I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this. There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will. A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period. I don't understand all the "I thinks"..... |
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In PA that is mature, and darn near geriatric. So yes.
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ORIGINAL: dukemichaels I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs. We aren't... 4.5 [8D] Tim |
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3.5 is my target age and I've been successful at taking 3.5 year olds on 4 of my last 6. The other 2 being 2.5, one being my birthday buck that 12.5 spike x 4.
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I would have to say yes its prime age for here !
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I use to shoot 3.5 year olds, I dont consider it being mature. Its more like a older teenager I think. Im not saying there is anything wrong with shooting them, I personaly try and hold out for something in the 4.5 to 5.5 year old range.
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ORIGINAL: dukemichaels I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs. I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this. There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will. A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period. I don't understand all the "I thinks"..... |
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy ORIGINAL: dukemichaels I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs. I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this. There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will. A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period. I don't understand all the "I thinks"..... ![]() I would have thought the biologists would havewentby skeletal growth for determining maturity. At 4.5 theskeletal frame workof a buck is still growing but finallyslowing down. Not at 3.5 years old. Usually a buck has it largest rack between 5.5 -6.5 years old whilein his prime. I wonder where they get a 3.5 as being a mature buck. You are usually just getting to see what his potential might be. Tim |
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You know what I love... people who actually believe they know more than the men and women who spend there entire lives studying whitetail. I am not talking bears.. I am talking whitetail. The most notable experts in the field, and they have been studying whitetail for well over 20 years (some in excess of 30+), call a 3.5 yr. old mature. BOTTOM LINE.
It makes no difference what you believe.. what you consider.. what you pass on to hold out another year... that's not the biological definition of a mature whitetail. The question was if a 3.5 yr. old was mature.. the answer is simple.. YES. And so is a 4.5.. a 5.5.. ETC ETC. The question is not what your opinion of a mature deer is.. too often RACK is placed on age and maturity.. that is and never will be the case. Once a deer reaches 42 months he/she is mature. If you choose to pass on him/her.. great... but it does not change the fact that a 3.5 yr. old still is mature. I am 27 yrs... and by all considerations.. at maturity (although my wife disagree's). Some of you gentlemen are pushing 40 yrs. 45 yrs. 50 yrs. and guess what you are at maturity too. And furthermore, about most all whitetail biologists, they hunt them too. |
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Yes!!!!
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Not quite. The jump in growth from 3.5 to 4.5 can be huge. Give 'em another year.
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Hummm, Their rack matures around 5 1/2 to 6 1/2, I could care less about the buck nuts and what nots. Umm Hmmm!
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Hey Duke ..as a HNI STAFFER you should know what articles your site publishes and what the Biologists claim on your site??
"Essentially immature refers to yearling bucks, those which are 1 1/2 years old; almost mature refers to the 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year olds; mature refers to the 4 1/2 to about 6 1/2 year olds; and old to those 7 1/2 years old and older. Unfortunately in a lot of whitetail country, hunters even today will see hardly any bucks that could even be classified as mature. But thankfully things are changing. " Here's the article... http://www.huntingnet.com/staticpages/staticpage_detail.aspx?id=35 HMMMMM GUESS IT"S NOT SO BLACK AND WHITE?? It rarley is [:-] |
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When did you mature? [8D]
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This thread makes my head hurt. [&:]
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ORIGINAL: FRALEY When did you mature? [8D] Stick with the Preacher Man! :) |
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That is what I wanted to say, You got a prob? Please feel free to PM!
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d ORIGINAL: FRALEY When did you mature? [8D] Stick with the Preacher Man! :) |
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yes
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Hey Duke ..as a HNI STAFFER you should know what articles your site publishes and what the Biologists claim on your site?? "Essentially immature refers to yearling bucks, those which are 1 1/2 years old; almost mature refers to the 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year olds; mature refers to the 4 1/2 to about 6 1/2 year olds; and old to those 7 1/2 years old and older. Unfortunately in a lot of whitetail country, hunters even today will see hardly any bucks that could even be classified as mature. But thankfully things are changing. " If I had the time and the inclination I would bring you the quote's by such notable biologists as Dr Len Rue.. Dr Grant Woods.. Dr Charles Alsheimer..ETC. I'm sorry for breaking the news.. but it's easy to read an article.. but to read an article by a top professional in the industry is completely different. And you could be right.. maybe they are wrong.. However.. until they all agree otherwise.. their opinion's are what matters.. their what drives state biologists.. laws and antler restrictions.. and QDMA as we know it. A 3.5 yr. old is considered a mature animal. |
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