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GMMAT 01-14-2008 04:11 PM

Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
If you killed a 3.5 yr old buck......would you say you've killed a "mature" buck?

Yes or No.....or expound if you'd like.

Me....I say YES.

Double Creek 01-14-2008 04:12 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Yes

PreacherTony 01-14-2008 04:13 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
in my area ...... absolutely!

psebwhntr16 01-14-2008 04:20 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
A deer over 42 months is mature...Its not a hypothesis, its a biological conclusion.

Schultzy 01-14-2008 04:22 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
No

Rory/MO 01-14-2008 04:22 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
i would say that. i dont think thats when most deer are at their prime, but a lot of bucks do not live to reach their prime.

northernedge 01-14-2008 04:29 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Where i hunt......... yes

MO_Bowhnter 01-14-2008 04:37 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Yes

matters 01-14-2008 04:40 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Yes a think he is mature and would be happy with him.


Diesel77 01-14-2008 04:46 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
yes sir

BTBowhunter 01-14-2008 04:48 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
yup!

_Dan 01-14-2008 05:00 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
No, mature to me is at least 4.5.

Hoytail Hunter 01-14-2008 05:14 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
I think he's of drinking age, but notthinking age. Once he's had a few more kids and can hold it down, I'd say so... like next fall.

Rory/MO 01-14-2008 05:26 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 

ORIGINAL: Hoytail Hunter

I think he's of drinking age, but notthinking age. Once he's had a few more kids and can hold it down, I'd say so... like next fall.


mlo31351270 01-14-2008 05:28 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
I think I would agree with Dan, 4.5.

125py 01-14-2008 05:44 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
yes i would say that 3.5 yrs old is mature.....BUT its not fully mature

Doubled 150 01-14-2008 06:07 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
I say 4-1/2 is a mature deer.

I don't know what area has to do with a buck being mature at a certain age. Do deerage faster in thenortheast than they do in the midwest? Do deer in the south age fasterthan deer in the west?Just because you don't see manydeer older than 3-1/2in your area, doesn't necessarily mean that deer is mature.

brucelanthier 01-14-2008 06:11 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Maybe

dukemichaels 01-14-2008 06:23 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs.

I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this.

There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will.

A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period.

I don't understand all the "I thinks".....



KansasBBD 01-14-2008 06:37 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
No

drhntr178 01-14-2008 07:12 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
What does eveyone think "maturity" means? Physically mature?Sexually mature?Anterlymature? They all come at different ages.

peakrut 01-14-2008 07:19 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Mike welcome to my world here the last couple weeks buddy.

ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs.

I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this.

There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will.

A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period.

I don't understand all the "I thinks".....

HuntingBry 01-14-2008 07:20 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
In PA that is mature, and darn near geriatric. So yes.

TJF 01-14-2008 07:24 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 

ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs.
They are getting paid to say that !! ;) :D

We aren't... 4.5 [8D]

Tim

Rob/PA Bowyer 01-14-2008 07:33 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
3.5 is my target age and I've been successful at taking 3.5 year olds on 4 of my last 6. The other 2 being 2.5, one being my birthday buck that 12.5 spike x 4.

twildasin 01-14-2008 07:46 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
I would have to say yes its prime age for here !

passthru79 01-14-2008 07:51 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
I use to shoot 3.5 year olds, I dont consider it being mature. Its more like a older teenager I think. Im not saying there is anything wrong with shooting them, I personaly try and hold out for something in the 4.5 to 5.5 year old range.

Schultzy 01-14-2008 07:56 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 

ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs.

I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this.

There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will.

A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period.

I don't understand all the "I thinks".....
Do you have any other reasons to believe a buck is mature at 3.5 besides what a biologist thinks? Some of these same scientist can't judge a tooth on age. The DNR biologist headquarters in Minnesota gets our bear teeth every year and they send us a management patch back along with the age of our bear. Many times these people have been way off from the actual age. For example my biggest bear was 325lbs dressed with a 20 5/16 inch skull. They told me he was a 4.5 year old bear, yeah right! That bear was all of 12 years old minimum! Another one weighed 150 lbs, they told me he was 1/2 years old, thats a cub for crying out loud! That bear was 3.5 to 4.5! These scientist or biologist don't cut it with me on the aging of any animals so why should I consider they know what Is mature or not! Really what is mature? Breeding wise? A buck can breed at 1.5 years old, thats pretty mature if you ask me. I'll stick to my 4.5 as being mature but I'm not going to say your wrong as believing 3.5 is mature, you may be right and you have good reasons for it as I do with mine. When it comes right down to it most dedicated hunters got a heck of allot more good info on the animals we've been hunting for years and know whats going on then some of these guys sitting in there labs thinking all day.

TJF 01-14-2008 08:56 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

I don't even understand some of the answer's. The whitetail biologists have said time and time again that a whitetail reaches maturity at 3.5 yrs.

I understand that many of us like to pass on them and give them at least 1 more season. But facts are that a whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs... science says this.

There is no "in my woods"... or "where I hunt".. a 3.5 yr. old is a mture animal. Will he put on more pounds, muscle and inches as he/she gets older.. yes he/she will.

A whitetail will reach maturity at 3.5 yrs. period.

I don't understand all the "I thinks".....
Do you have any other reasons to believe a buck is mature at 3.5 besides what a biologist thinks? Some of these same scientist can't judge a tooth on age. The DNR biologist headquarters in Minnesota gets our bear teeth every year and they send us a management patch back along with the age of our bear. Many times these people have been way off from the actual age. For example my biggest bear was 325lbs dressed with a 20 5/16 inch skull. They told me he was a 4.5 year old bear, yeah right! That bear was all of 12 years old minimum! Another one weighed 150 lbs, they told me he was 1/2 years old, thats a cub for crying out loud! That bear was 3.5 to 4.5! These scientist or biologist don't cut it with me on the aging of any animals so why should I consider they know what Is mature or not! Really what is mature? Breeding wise? A buck can breed at 1.5 years old, thats pretty mature if you ask me. I'll stick to my 4.5 as being mature but I'm not going to say your wrong as believing 3.5 is mature, you may be right and you have good reasons for it as I do with mine. When it comes right down to it most dedicated hunters got a heck of allot more good info on the animals we've been hunting for years and know whats going on then some of these guys sitting in there labs thinking all day.
Button bucks can breed. I supposein a sense he is amature buck!! [&:]

I would have thought the biologists would havewentby skeletal growth for determining maturity. At 4.5 theskeletal frame workof a buck is still growing but finallyslowing down. Not at 3.5 years old.

Usually a buck has it largest rack between 5.5 -6.5 years old whilein his prime.

I wonder where they get a 3.5 as being a mature buck. You are usually just getting to see what his potential might be.

Tim

dukemichaels 01-14-2008 09:31 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
You know what I love... people who actually believe they know more than the men and women who spend there entire lives studying whitetail. I am not talking bears.. I am talking whitetail. The most notable experts in the field, and they have been studying whitetail for well over 20 years (some in excess of 30+), call a 3.5 yr. old mature. BOTTOM LINE.

It makes no difference what you believe.. what you consider.. what you pass on to hold out another year... that's not the biological definition of a mature whitetail.

The question was if a 3.5 yr. old was mature.. the answer is simple.. YES. And so is a 4.5.. a 5.5.. ETC ETC.

The question is not what your opinion of a mature deer is.. too often RACK is placed on age and maturity.. that is and never will be the case. Once a deer reaches 42 months he/she is mature. If you choose to pass on him/her.. great... but it does not change the fact that a 3.5 yr. old still is mature.

I am 27 yrs... and by all considerations.. at maturity (although my wife disagree's). Some of you gentlemen are pushing 40 yrs. 45 yrs. 50 yrs. and guess what you are at maturity too.

And furthermore, about most all whitetail biologists, they hunt them too.

bloodcrick 01-14-2008 09:37 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Yes!!!!

James Vee 01-14-2008 09:41 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Not quite. The jump in growth from 3.5 to 4.5 can be huge. Give 'em another year.

Sliverflicker 01-14-2008 09:50 PM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Hummm, Their rack matures around 5 1/2 to 6 1/2, I could care less about the buck nuts and what nots. Umm Hmmm!

GR8atta2d 01-15-2008 05:46 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
Hey Duke ..as a HNI STAFFER you should know what articles your site publishes and what the Biologists claim on your site??

"Essentially immature refers to yearling bucks, those which are 1 1/2 years old; almost mature refers to the 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year olds; mature refers to the 4 1/2 to about 6 1/2 year olds; and old to those 7 1/2 years old and older. Unfortunately in a lot of whitetail country, hunters even today will see hardly any bucks that could even be classified as mature. But thankfully things are changing. "


Here's the article... http://www.huntingnet.com/staticpages/staticpage_detail.aspx?id=35

HMMMMM GUESS IT"S NOT SO BLACK AND WHITE?? It rarley is [:-]

peakrut 01-15-2008 05:57 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
When did you mature? [8D]

rybohunter 01-15-2008 06:03 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
This thread makes my head hurt. [&:]

GR8atta2d 01-15-2008 06:10 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 

ORIGINAL: FRALEY

When did you mature? [8D]
Fraley...is this what you wanted to say....or what Preacher advised you to say?

Stick with the Preacher Man! :)

peakrut 01-15-2008 06:11 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
That is what I wanted to say, You got a prob? Please feel free to PM!

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


ORIGINAL: FRALEY

When did you mature? [8D]
Fraley...is this what you wanted to say....or what Preacher advised you to say?

Stick with the Preacher Man! :)

txjourneyman 01-15-2008 06:14 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 
yes

dukemichaels 01-15-2008 07:16 AM

RE: Another twist on "mature" bucks
 

Hey Duke ..as a HNI STAFFER you should know what articles your site publishes and what the Biologists claim on your site??

"Essentially immature refers to yearling bucks, those which are 1 1/2 years old; almost mature refers to the 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year olds; mature refers to the 4 1/2 to about 6 1/2 year olds; and old to those 7 1/2 years old and older. Unfortunately in a lot of whitetail country, hunters even today will see hardly any bucks that could even be classified as mature. But thankfully things are changing. "
That's an interesting article... and no I've never read it. I wonder who it's authored by.. I don't see a name. It's very possible an article written not by one of the more well known biologists.. don't you agree? Maybe even not written by a biologist.. last I checked HNI does not have one to pay.

If I had the time and the inclination I would bring you the quote's by such notable biologists as Dr Len Rue.. Dr Grant Woods.. Dr Charles Alsheimer..ETC.

I'm sorry for breaking the news.. but it's easy to read an article.. but to read an article by a top professional in the industry is completely different. And you could be right.. maybe they are wrong.. However.. until they all agree otherwise.. their opinion's are what matters.. their what drives state biologists.. laws and antler restrictions.. and QDMA as we know it. A 3.5 yr. old is considered a mature animal.




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