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RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
The item you have posted is for using a liquid....The pod is for powder
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Nevermind Gr8 - you missed the whole point. I told you to ignore whether it was legal or not. You couldn't seem to get over that hurdle.
Back to the lecture at hand... I just don't see the evil downside of using a delivery device that administerssuch a drug- especially if there is a product readily available that is safe for human consumption - and would eliminate all these "I found the buck I hit 3 months ago" sob stories. |
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Quicksilver,
One thing to consider.....one VERY serious thing..... There are only 2 deaths in MS due to accidental shooting with a bow...... Both arrows used poison.... That is something to consider. |
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This just in from the Peanut Gallery: Jimmy Houston is about to chime in and help Quick out!:D:D:D Maybe you 2 can book a hunt together!:D:D:D:D:D
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I know - trust me. I'm well aware of the caliber of individuals that I share the woods with.
Prime Example: Today's local paper. Do read. 3 CHARGED WITH SHOOTING COWS Three Fayette County residents are facing charges for allegedly shooting and killing four cows on a farm in Saltlick Township in November. [/align]Ronald Dwayne Regish III, 21, Christopher Allen Kessler, 22, of Normalville and an unidentified teen boy were each charged before Magisterial District Judge Ronald Haggerty with agricultural vandalism, criminal conspiracy, criminal mischief and cruelty to animals. [/align]The charges, filed in late December by state police Trooper Craig M. Soltis, allege that the trio shot and killed four cows owned by Clark Sipes at a farm on Buchanan Road. According to the criminal complaint filed in the case, the suspects were at a residence at the farm around 6:30 p.m. Nov. 26, where they were field dressing a deer they had shot earlier in the day. Soltis said while behind the home, the suspects decided to shine a spotlight into the field and saw "eyes." Soltis said the suspects then retrieved their guns and fired as many as 11 shots at what they told police they thought were deer. After firing the rounds, the trio walked about 75 yards into the field and discovered they had mistakenly shot the four cows. According to Sipes, when he found the animals, three were dead and the fourth had to be killed by a veterinarian because of serious injuries, Soltis said. Police were able to recover 11 empty shell casings in the field, matching the guns allegedly used by the suspects. The state Game Commission assisted in the investigations of the shootings. Preliminary hearings are scheduled for Feb. 14 before Haggerty for the three suspects. [/align] |
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I'm willing to bet the majority of the general public can tolerate bowhunting as it is vs using a substance to help kill a deer.
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No, I wouldn't use "poisoned arrows".[:'(][:@]
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Look, why would anyone go to the trouble of attaching a poison or sedative behind a BH. It makes more sense to just use a dart tipped arrow, less tissue damage, less pain for the animal, less accident prone, etc. (IF ALL THIS WAS LEGAL). I would not use it as I do not want to lessen the experiance for myself. Thumping a booner in the hindquarter with a dart and watching it have a heart attack is not my cup of tea. Picky I know:eek:
But it is semantics as it is not legal. For limited use in very urban settings I can see a point for it but only a weak one. A proficency test before the hunt is issued to keep out the suedo-hunters does a pretty good job, and 'normal' (not counting the crazies) people generally just want the deer gone when they eat thier petunias. The vast majority of americans are not anti-hunting. |
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Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D
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ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag I would not use it if legal! Here are my reasons: The challenge would nearly be gone, and that is why I bowhunt. No need to get close, no need to worry about shooting a sharp broadhead, etc. My biggest reason is it would not be a legitimate bowkill. I'd fight tooth and nail, any pending legislation of anything remotely close to what Quick posted. |
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On a TV hunting show the other night I saw what I believe they called a "green hunt" (not sure though about the name). It was a bowhunter in Africa that was going to shoot a rhino in the back hindquarter with a dart tipped arrow. They (vet & management people)needed to sedate the rhino so that they could get blood to test and take measurements. Anyway, they mounted the dart on the arrow, the guy got within about 25 yds and shot him. It all worked out the way it was supposed too. I think the guy mentioned that SCI recognizes these "records" under this "green hunt" label (green hunt meaning not killing the animal). Thought it was interesting. Don't know if it adds to this topic or not though :D.
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Bruce: I got lambasted last year for suggesting that the same tactic should be legalized for hunting whitetails in the U.S. Granted, I didn't call it "green hunting" because I was unfamiliar with the term... I believe the thread was called "Catch and Release Hunting" and all the HNI "inside-the-box thinkers" were peeing themselves with anger and vitriol over the whole thing. No surprise really.
I mean, you see a nice,but still immature buck - you take him down with your sedative arrow, take a few field photos and measurements - have your taxi build you a set of replica antlers to puton the mount. Maybe shoot him again next year. Isn't that the ultimate in "letting them go so they can grow?" I mean, if it's SUCH a great idea for fish, I don't know how it could possibly be that bad an idea, as applied to mammals. Funny how I always get labeled as crazy - but then we see these things actually happening (past or present). Amazing how that works. [:-] |
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I can catch and release with my camera........but thats just me.
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Nevermind Gr8 - you missed the whole point. I told you to ignore whether it was legal or not. You couldn't seem to get over that hurdle. What level Klingon Commander have you reached?? |
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I wish you two would shake hands or kiss and make up.
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Bruce: I got lambasted last year for suggesting that the same tactic should be legalized for hunting whitetails in the U.S. Granted, I didn't call it "green hunting" because I was unfamiliar with the term... I believe the thread was called "Catch and Release Hunting" and all the HNI "inside-the-box thinkers" were peeing themselves with anger and vitriol over the whole thing. No surprise really. I mean, you see a nice,but still immature buck - you take him down with your sedative arrow, take a few field photos and measurements - have your taxi build you a set of replica antlers to puton the mount. Maybe shoot him again next year. Isn't that the ultimate in "letting them go so they can grow?" I mean, if it's SUCH a great idea for fish, I don't know how it could possibly be that bad an idea, as applied to mammals. Funny how I always get labeled as crazy - but then we see these things actually happening (past or present). Amazing how that works. [:-] |
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Don't worry, Gr8. Not everyone can be this awesome. The world needs balance.
MN/Kyle: You just can't give that type of weapon to the blundering redneckhordes. It's a recipe for disaster. Like giving matches and gasoline to an arsonist. |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Bruce: I got lambasted last year for suggesting that the same tactic should be legalized for hunting whitetails in the U.S. Granted, I didn't call it "green hunting" because I was unfamiliar with the term... I believe the thread was called "Catch and Release Hunting" and all the HNI "inside-the-box thinkers" were peeing themselves with anger and vitriol over the whole thing. No surprise really. I mean, you see a nice,but still immature buck - you take him down with your sedative arrow, take a few field photos and measurements - have your taxi build you a set of replica antlers to puton the mount. Maybe shoot him again next year. Isn't that the ultimate in "letting them go so they can grow?" I mean, if it's SUCH a great idea for fish, I don't know how it could possibly be that bad an idea, as applied to mammals. Funny how I always get labeled as crazy - but then we see these things actually happening (past or present). Amazing how that works. [:-] |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Don't worry, Gr8. Not everyone can be this awesome. The world needs balance. MN/Kyle: You just can't give that type of weapon to the blundering redneckhordes. It's a recipe for disaster. Like giving matches and gasoline to an arsonist. |
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I talked with the inventor of the pod at length many times about this subject he died a few years ago.
The stuff he used would not kill a human supposedly I think it would be a pandora's box. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D Keep it up buddy.....This thread is making my day pass rather quickly. |
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Fred Bear did use the pod at one time.
Can't believe I can't remember this guys name. |
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Poison tipped arrows, mechanical broadheads, and a Whisker Biscuit. Its the lazy archers ticket to success.:D
Don't get your panties in a bunch, I use 2 of the 3 taboo items [8D] |
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And from the title I was thinking this would be about making a coating that would increase penetration by reducing drag. You know like the “coating” Clark Griswold sprayed on the sled. Today, we've moved on to the space-age concepts of "Catch & Release Hunting," "100% letal arrows," and "poison pods." Chris: This board gets a little constipated from time to time - so I just try to move it along. In so doing, my long-term goal is to get a few of you fellas thinking outside the scope of normalcy...to put PC behind you and think for yourselves.I'd be lying though, if I said I didn't have a lot of fun stirring up the mud. |
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But, if I was dialed in on a once-in-a-lifetime deer. . . like a lot of other people, I'm sure, my opinion may be "subject to change." From what I remember the pod does not immediately kill the animal which could lead to more lost animals. You make a bad hit and it takes a while for the drug to work, you have no blood trail. |
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ORIGINAL: goherd1111 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D Keep it up buddy.....This thread is making my day pass rather quickly. |
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So seriously. If you had one of these "poison pods" that CharlieP is talking about (pretend you're in MS where it'slegal) would you use it? I would. What the heck - live on the edge. I don't think it would affect the authenticity of the hunt at all. Really, how could it?
Seems like one of those things that - after youput it on there, and you realize thatlightning didn't strike you downand devils didn't arise from the deep... It might not be half bad. I had a girl friend once. Not a girlfriend, but a girl (space) friend.So one night, we're at this houseparty where we drank a bunch of Boone's Farms. Strawberry. Boone'sStrawberry, ifmy memory serves.Anyway, one thing led to another...and right before the point-of-no-returnshe says"Don't worry - it'll only be awkward at first." Ya know what? She was right. Women... |
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In so doing, my long-term goal is to get a few of you fellas thinking outside the scope of normalcy... And that's a dire need of yours because.........................:eek::eek::eek: |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver So seriously. If you had one of these "poison pods" that CharlieP is talking about (pretend you're in MS where it'slegal) would you use it? I would. What the heck - live on the edge. I don't think it would affect the authenticity of the hunt at all. Really, how could it? Seems like one of those things that - after youput it on there, and you realize thatlightning didn't strike you downand devils didn't arise from the deep... It might not be half bad. I had a girl friend once. Not a girlfriend, but a girl (space) friend.So one night, we're at this houseparty where we drank a bunch of Boone's Farms. Strawberry. Boone'sStrawberry, ifmy memory serves.Anyway, one thing led to another...and right before the point-of-no-returnshe says"Don't worry - it'll only be awkward at first." Ya know what? She was right. Women... And I can't believe you drank boone's farm[:'(] |
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No, I wouldn't use one. Notthe directionI want to go with bowhunting.
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D Hey Preach...every thread is fun..if ya participate, But why your double standard?? If *someone else* had starteda threadlike this, you'ld have your standard Popcorn and eyeroll reply! :eek:;) |
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Boone's is the Cadillac of bum wines.I was po' in college, Kyle - my fraternity bought Jacob's Best Ice and Keystone by the pallet. We saved the "top shelf stuff" (Boone's Farms, Yuengling, Wild Vines) for formals. "Two Buck Chuck" was still some wide-eyed entrepreneur's pipe dream at that time. [>:]
Kyle -If you do this for long enough, you'll make a bad shot and lose one. It sucks.No amount of skill or expertise or practice will stop theinevitable. |
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Kyle -If you do this for long enough, you'll make a bad shot and lose one. It sucks.No amount of skill or expertise or practice will stop theinevitable. I'm happy with my recovery % they way I hunt I wouldn't put a pod on. |
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While we all would wish every fellow hunter would make a killing shot each and every time, sometimes it doesn't happen. Just a fact.
Here's a question I asked myself............what if every state made it a law that absolutely every bowhunter had to use a poison pod or be arrested. Easy answer for me: I'd either continue to hunt as I currently do which would be against that new law OR I'd quit bowhunting! |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Boone's is the Cadillac of bum wines.I was po' in college, Kyle - my fraternity bought Jacob's Best Ice and Keystone by the pallet. We saved the "top shelf stuff" (Boone's Farms, Yuengling, Wild Vines) for formals. "Two Buck Chuck" was still some wide-eyed entrepreneur's pipe dream at that time. [>:] Kyle -If you do this for long enough, you'll make a bad shot and lose one. It sucks.No amount of skill or expertise or practice will stop theinevitable. And I thought I had it bad with milwaukee's best light and Natural Ice. [&o] |
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ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag While we all would wish every fellow hunter would make a killing shot each and every time, sometimes it doesn't happen. Just a fact. Here's a question I asked myself............what if every state made it a law that absolutely every bowhunter had to use a poison pod or be arrested. Easy answer for me: I'd either continue to hunt as I currently do which would be against that new law OR I'd quit bowhunting! |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D Hey Preach...every thread is fun..if ya participate, But why your double standard?? If *someone else* had starteda threadlike this, you'ld have your standard Popcorn and eyeroll reply! :eek:;) ![]() |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman First of all..........coumadin doesn't make getting stuck with an arrow not hurt........lidocaine perhaps?? [8D] Wasting the meat due to the absorption of any drugs would mean we were just shooting stuff to kill it..............in my opinion the fact that we eat what we kill will always be our saving grace. Besides there are already laws against such things. Besides, antis dont care how an animal is killed, its the killing that is the issue. Non hunters are either sided with the tree hugers or with the "i dont care" crowd, so there is no real winning over. |
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Cougar Mag... I just contacted Fred Bear on my Ouija board, and here's what he had to say on this topic:
[ul][*]You're hunting animals to kill them - these things can help you do that[*]You're trying to be humane - these things help you achieve and ensurethe utmost in a humane kill[*]People were hunting with poison arrows while you were still a little stain in your momma's undershorts[*]Never question what Fred Bear does. Never. He's always watching. He will get even.[*]Fred Bear has the final say on all matters.[*]This is not a democracy. You will do what Fred Bear tells you to do. No exceptions.[*]Fred Bear is a staunch advocate of performance enhancing drugs on arrows. [/ul] |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Cougar Mag... I just contacted Fred Bear on my Ouija board, and here's what he had to say on this topic: [ul][*]You're hunting animals to kill them - these things can help you do that[*]You're trying to be humane - these things help you achieve and ensurethe utmost in a humane kill[*]People were hunting with poison arrows while you were still a little stain in your momma's undershorts[*]Never question what Fred Bear does. Never. He's always watching. He will get even.[*]Fred Bear has the final say on all matters.[*]This is not a democracy. You will do what Fred Bear tells you to do. No exceptions.[*]Fred Bear is a staunch advocate of performance enhancing drugs on arrows. [/ul] He quit gun hunting and started the bow thing because of the lack of challenge. He would not consider anything that made it easier. He went with bows for the challenge, no other reason. |
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