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Double Creek 01-11-2008 09:13 AM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
The item you have posted is for using a liquid....The pod is for powder


quiksilver 01-11-2008 09:18 AM

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Nevermind Gr8 - you missed the whole point. I told you to ignore whether it was legal or not. You couldn't seem to get over that hurdle.

Back to the lecture at hand... I just don't see the evil downside of using a delivery device that administerssuch a drug- especially if there is a product readily available that is safe for human consumption - and would eliminate all these "I found the buck I hit 3 months ago" sob stories.



Double Creek 01-11-2008 09:23 AM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
Quicksilver,

One thing to consider.....one VERY serious thing.....

There are only 2 deaths in MS due to accidental shooting with a bow...... Both arrows used poison....

That is something to consider.

BowHuntingFool 01-11-2008 09:27 AM

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This just in from the Peanut Gallery: Jimmy Houston is about to chime in and help Quick out!:D:D:D Maybe you 2 can book a hunt together!:D:D:D:D:D

quiksilver 01-11-2008 09:28 AM

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I know - trust me. I'm well aware of the caliber of individuals that I share the woods with.

Prime Example: Today's local paper. Do read.

3 CHARGED WITH SHOOTING COWS
Three Fayette County residents are facing charges for allegedly shooting and killing four cows on a farm in Saltlick Township in November.

[/align]Ronald Dwayne Regish III, 21, Christopher Allen Kessler, 22, of Normalville and an unidentified teen boy were each charged before Magisterial District Judge Ronald Haggerty with agricultural vandalism, criminal conspiracy, criminal mischief and cruelty to animals.
[/align]The charges, filed in late December by state police Trooper Craig M. Soltis, allege that the trio shot and killed four cows owned by Clark Sipes at a farm on Buchanan Road. According to the criminal complaint filed in the case, the suspects were at a residence at the farm around 6:30 p.m. Nov. 26, where they were field dressing a deer they had shot earlier in the day.

Soltis said while behind the home, the suspects decided to shine a spotlight into the field and saw "eyes." Soltis said the suspects then retrieved their guns and fired as many as 11 shots at what they told police they thought were deer. After firing the rounds, the trio walked about 75 yards into the field and discovered they had mistakenly shot the four cows.

According to Sipes, when he found the animals, three were dead and the fourth had to be killed by a veterinarian because of serious injuries, Soltis said.

Police were able to recover 11 empty shell casings in the field, matching the guns allegedly used by the suspects. The state Game Commission assisted in the investigations of the shootings.

Preliminary hearings are scheduled for Feb. 14 before Haggerty for the three suspects.
[/align]

Cougar Mag 01-11-2008 09:40 AM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
I'm willing to bet the majority of the general public can tolerate bowhunting as it is vs using a substance to help kill a deer.

8pt~Bowhunter 01-11-2008 09:43 AM

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No, I wouldn't use "poisoned arrows".[:'(][:@]



JoeRE 01-11-2008 09:50 AM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
Look, why would anyone go to the trouble of attaching a poison or sedative behind a BH. It makes more sense to just use a dart tipped arrow, less tissue damage, less pain for the animal, less accident prone, etc. (IF ALL THIS WAS LEGAL). I would not use it as I do not want to lessen the experiance for myself. Thumping a booner in the hindquarter with a dart and watching it have a heart attack is not my cup of tea. Picky I know:eek:

But it is semantics as it is not legal. For limited use in very urban settings I can see a point for it but only a weak one. A proficency test before the hunt is issued to keep out the suedo-hunters does a pretty good job, and 'normal' (not counting the crazies) people generally just want the deer gone when they eat thier petunias. The vast majority of americans are not anti-hunting.

PreacherTony 01-11-2008 09:55 AM

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Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D

Schultzy 01-11-2008 09:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag

I would not use it if legal! Here are my reasons:

The challenge would nearly be gone, and that is why I bowhunt. No need to get close, no need to worry about shooting a sharp broadhead, etc. My biggest reason is it would not be a legitimate bowkill. I'd fight tooth and nail, any pending legislation of anything remotely close to what Quick posted.
I 100% agree with you Cougar!

brucelanthier 01-11-2008 10:07 AM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
On a TV hunting show the other night I saw what I believe they called a "green hunt" (not sure though about the name). It was a bowhunter in Africa that was going to shoot a rhino in the back hindquarter with a dart tipped arrow. They (vet & management people)needed to sedate the rhino so that they could get blood to test and take measurements. Anyway, they mounted the dart on the arrow, the guy got within about 25 yds and shot him. It all worked out the way it was supposed too. I think the guy mentioned that SCI recognizes these "records" under this "green hunt" label (green hunt meaning not killing the animal). Thought it was interesting. Don't know if it adds to this topic or not though :D.

quiksilver 01-11-2008 10:15 AM

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Bruce: I got lambasted last year for suggesting that the same tactic should be legalized for hunting whitetails in the U.S. Granted, I didn't call it "green hunting" because I was unfamiliar with the term... I believe the thread was called "Catch and Release Hunting" and all the HNI "inside-the-box thinkers" were peeing themselves with anger and vitriol over the whole thing. No surprise really.

I mean, you see a nice,but still immature buck - you take him down with your sedative arrow, take a few field photos and measurements - have your taxi build you a set of replica antlers to puton the mount. Maybe shoot him again next year.

Isn't that the ultimate in "letting them go so they can grow?" I mean, if it's SUCH a great idea for fish, I don't know how it could possibly be that bad an idea, as applied to mammals.

Funny how I always get labeled as crazy - but then we see these things actually happening (past or present). Amazing how that works. [:-]

Cougar Mag 01-11-2008 10:21 AM

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I can catch and release with my camera........but thats just me.

GR8atta2d 01-11-2008 10:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Nevermind Gr8 - you missed the whole point. I told you to ignore whether it was legal or not. You couldn't seem to get over that hurdle.
And thats a shame because, it was such a hurdle on an otherwise great thread..My mind could not grasp the scenerio to the depths of yours..You are such a deep and profound thinker, I profess to be as great as thou someday...

What level Klingon Commander have you reached??

Cougar Mag 01-11-2008 10:24 AM

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I wish you two would shake hands or kiss and make up.

MN/Kyle 01-11-2008 10:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Bruce: I got lambasted last year for suggesting that the same tactic should be legalized for hunting whitetails in the U.S. Granted, I didn't call it "green hunting" because I was unfamiliar with the term... I believe the thread was called "Catch and Release Hunting" and all the HNI "inside-the-box thinkers" were peeing themselves with anger and vitriol over the whole thing. No surprise really.

I mean, you see a nice,but still immature buck - you take him down with your sedative arrow, take a few field photos and measurements - have your taxi build you a set of replica antlers to puton the mount. Maybe shoot him again next year.

Isn't that the ultimate in "letting them go so they can grow?" I mean, if it's SUCH a great idea for fish, I don't know how it could possibly be that bad an idea, as applied to mammals.

Funny how I always get labeled as crazy - but then we see these things actually happening (past or present). Amazing how that works. [:-]
Trail cams, or Digi cam's will work, and they normally don't risk killing the deer, or any other mammal. I wonder how many people would be mauled by animals waking up from thier "sleep". Too many things could go wrong with this IMO.

quiksilver 01-11-2008 10:28 AM

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Don't worry, Gr8. Not everyone can be this awesome. The world needs balance.

MN/Kyle: You just can't give that type of weapon to the blundering redneckhordes. It's a recipe for disaster. Like giving matches and gasoline to an arsonist.

brucelanthier 01-11-2008 10:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Bruce: I got lambasted last year for suggesting that the same tactic should be legalized for hunting whitetails in the U.S. Granted, I didn't call it "green hunting" because I was unfamiliar with the term... I believe the thread was called "Catch and Release Hunting" and all the HNI "inside-the-box thinkers" were peeing themselves with anger and vitriol over the whole thing. No surprise really.

I mean, you see a nice,but still immature buck - you take him down with your sedative arrow, take a few field photos and measurements - have your taxi build you a set of replica antlers to puton the mount. Maybe shoot him again next year.

Isn't that the ultimate in "letting them go so they can grow?" I mean, if it's SUCH a great idea for fish, I don't know how it could possibly be that bad an idea, as applied to mammals.

Funny how I always get labeled as crazy - but then we see these things actually happening (past or present). Amazing how that works. [:-]
The difference here, I think, is that they needed to sedate this rhino for "legitimate" (for want of a better word) reasons and weren't doing just so the guy could get it on the ground. I have looked on the SCI website for any reference to this green hunt business but have not found it yet. At this point I am assuming, maybe wrongly, that there is some need to sedate the animal in the green hunt scenario which would make it quite a bit different than the catch and release deal.

MN/Kyle 01-11-2008 10:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Don't worry, Gr8. Not everyone can be this awesome. The world needs balance.

MN/Kyle: You just can't give that type of weapon to the blundering redneckhordes. It's a recipe for disaster. Like giving matches and gasoline to an arsonist.
Where would you start?

Charlie P 01-11-2008 10:41 AM

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I talked with the inventor of the pod at length many times about this subject he died a few years ago.

The stuff he used would not kill a human supposedly

I think it would be a pandora's box.

goherd1111 01-11-2008 10:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D
LOL!!! Isn't that the truth. I love when Fran starts these threads. Some of these folks get so worked up it's comical.

Keep it up buddy.....This thread is making my day pass rather quickly.

Charlie P 01-11-2008 10:48 AM

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Fred Bear did use the pod at one time.

Can't believe I can't remember this guys name.

buttonbuckmaster 01-11-2008 10:48 AM

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Poison tipped arrows, mechanical broadheads, and a Whisker Biscuit. Its the lazy archers ticket to success.:D







Don't get your panties in a bunch, I use 2 of the 3 taboo items [8D]



quiksilver 01-11-2008 10:56 AM

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And from the title I was thinking this would be about making a coating that would increase penetration by reducing drag. You know like the “coating” Clark Griswold sprayed on the sled.
That was the "Teflon Coated Arrows" thread, Rybo. That's yesterday's newspaper.

Today, we've moved on to the space-age concepts of "Catch & Release Hunting," "100% letal arrows," and "poison pods."

Chris: This board gets a little constipated from time to time - so I just try to move it along. In so doing, my long-term goal is to get a few of you fellas thinking outside the scope of normalcy...to put PC behind you and think for yourselves.I'd be lying though, if I said I didn't have a lot of fun stirring up the mud.

Charlie P 01-11-2008 10:58 AM

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But, if I was dialed in on a once-in-a-lifetime deer. . . like a lot of other people, I'm sure, my opinion may be "subject to change."

You'de have to make the decision nefore you had it dialed in.

From what I remember the pod does not immediately kill the animal which could lead to more lost animals. You make a bad hit and it takes a while for the drug to work, you have no blood trail.

BobCo19-65 01-11-2008 11:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: goherd1111


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D
LOL!!! Isn't that the truth. I love when Fran starts these threads. Some of these folks get so worked up it's comical.

Keep it up buddy.....This thread is making my day pass rather quickly.
FWIW, there are comedy forums out there...........:eek::eek::eek:

quiksilver 01-11-2008 11:22 AM

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So seriously. If you had one of these "poison pods" that CharlieP is talking about (pretend you're in MS where it'slegal) would you use it? I would. What the heck - live on the edge. I don't think it would affect the authenticity of the hunt at all. Really, how could it?

Seems like one of those things that - after youput it on there, and you realize thatlightning didn't strike you downand devils didn't arise from the deep... It might not be half bad.

I had a girl friend once. Not a girlfriend, but a girl (space) friend.So one night, we're at this houseparty where we drank a bunch of Boone's Farms. Strawberry. Boone'sStrawberry, ifmy memory serves.Anyway, one thing led to another...and right before the point-of-no-returnshe says"Don't worry - it'll only be awkward at first." Ya know what? She was right. Women...

BobCo19-65 01-11-2008 11:26 AM

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In so doing, my long-term goal is to get a few of you fellas thinking outside the scope of normalcy...


And that's a dire need of yours because.........................:eek::eek::eek:

MN/Kyle 01-11-2008 11:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

So seriously. If you had one of these "poison pods" that CharlieP is talking about (pretend you're in MS where it'slegal) would you use it? I would. What the heck - live on the edge. I don't think it would affect the authenticity of the hunt at all. Really, how could it?

Seems like one of those things that - after youput it on there, and you realize thatlightning didn't strike you downand devils didn't arise from the deep... It might not be half bad.

I had a girl friend once. Not a girlfriend, but a girl (space) friend.So one night, we're at this houseparty where we drank a bunch of Boone's Farms. Strawberry. Boone'sStrawberry, ifmy memory serves.Anyway, one thing led to another...and right before the point-of-no-returnshe says"Don't worry - it'll only be awkward at first." Ya know what? She was right. Women...
No I SERIOUSLY would not. Why would I have to? I've practiced, and practice in the off season, and during the seasonto be deadly with the equipmentI already own. How much is that stuff anyway? I bet a lot.

And I can't believe you drank boone's farm[:'(]

brucelanthier 01-11-2008 11:35 AM

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No, I wouldn't use one. Notthe directionI want to go with bowhunting.

GR8atta2d 01-11-2008 11:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D

Hey Preach...every thread is fun..if ya participate, But why your double standard?? If *someone else* had starteda threadlike this, you'ld have your standard Popcorn and eyeroll reply!

:eek:





;)

quiksilver 01-11-2008 11:50 AM

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Boone's is the Cadillac of bum wines.I was po' in college, Kyle - my fraternity bought Jacob's Best Ice and Keystone by the pallet. We saved the "top shelf stuff" (Boone's Farms, Yuengling, Wild Vines) for formals. "Two Buck Chuck" was still some wide-eyed entrepreneur's pipe dream at that time. [>:]

Kyle -If you do this for long enough, you'll make a bad shot and lose one. It sucks.No amount of skill or expertise or practice will stop theinevitable.

Charlie P 01-11-2008 11:56 AM

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Kyle -If you do this for long enough, you'll make a bad shot and lose one. It sucks.No amount of skill or expertise or practice will stop theinevitable.

nor will a pod of poison on an arrow.

I'm happy with my recovery % they way I hunt I wouldn't put a pod on.

Cougar Mag 01-11-2008 12:01 PM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
While we all would wish every fellow hunter would make a killing shot each and every time, sometimes it doesn't happen. Just a fact.

Here's a question I asked myself............what if every state made it a law that absolutely every bowhunter had to use a poison pod or be arrested. Easy answer for me: I'd either continue to hunt as I currently do which would be against that new law OR I'd quit bowhunting!

MN/Kyle 01-11-2008 12:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Boone's is the Cadillac of bum wines.I was po' in college, Kyle - my fraternity bought Jacob's Best Ice and Keystone by the pallet. We saved the "top shelf stuff" (Boone's Farms, Yuengling, Wild Vines) for formals. "Two Buck Chuck" was still some wide-eyed entrepreneur's pipe dream at that time. [>:]

Kyle -If you do this for long enough, you'll make a bad shot and lose one. It sucks.No amount of skill or expertise or practice will stop theinevitable.
I agree, but I don't think that some kind of poision tipped arrow will help enough to make me want to use it.

And I thought I had it bad with milwaukee's best light and Natural Ice. [&o]

MN/Kyle 01-11-2008 12:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag

While we all would wish every fellow hunter would make a killing shot each and every time, sometimes it doesn't happen. Just a fact.

Here's a question I asked myself............what if every state made it a law that absolutely every bowhunter had to use a poison pod or be arrested. Easy answer for me: I'd either continue to hunt as I currently do which would be against that new law OR I'd quit bowhunting!
There is where I would use it. If I had to, I would no doubt use it. I wouldn't want to give up bowhunting?

PreacherTony 01-11-2008 12:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

Quik is over on his computer laughing to the point of tears that you guys think he is serious ....:D

Hey Preach...every thread is fun..if ya participate, But why your double standard?? If *someone else* had starteda threadlike this, you'ld have your standard Popcorn and eyeroll reply!

:eek:





;)
Hey Bob .....shuddapp and take the whoopin that Fran is layin down on ya

burniegoeasily 01-11-2008 12:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: atlasman

First of all..........coumadin doesn't make getting stuck with an arrow not hurt........lidocaine perhaps?? [8D]


Wasting the meat due to the absorption of any drugs would mean we were just shooting stuff to kill it..............in my opinion the fact that we eat what we kill will always be our saving grace.

Besides there are already laws against such things.
Thats exactly what I was thinking when I read this. To add to this, if this were legal, just go to blow guns, or shoot arrows tiped with syringes. Besides, churching it all up will simply be fixed by just getting a gun.

Besides, antis dont care how an animal is killed, its the killing that is the issue. Non hunters are either sided with the tree hugers or with the "i dont care" crowd, so there is no real winning over.

quiksilver 01-11-2008 12:37 PM

RE: HNI Thinktank: Arrow Coatings
 
Cougar Mag... I just contacted Fred Bear on my Ouija board, and here's what he had to say on this topic:
[ul][*]You're hunting animals to kill them - these things can help you do that[*]You're trying to be humane - these things help you achieve and ensurethe utmost in a humane kill[*]People were hunting with poison arrows while you were still a little stain in your momma's undershorts[*]Never question what Fred Bear does. Never. He's always watching. He will get even.[*]Fred Bear has the final say on all matters.[*]This is not a democracy. You will do what Fred Bear tells you to do. No exceptions.[*]Fred Bear is a staunch advocate of performance enhancing drugs on arrows. [/ul]


burniegoeasily 01-11-2008 12:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Cougar Mag... I just contacted Fred Bear on my Ouija board, and here's what he had to say on this topic:
[ul][*]You're hunting animals to kill them - these things can help you do that[*]You're trying to be humane - these things help you achieve and ensurethe utmost in a humane kill[*]People were hunting with poison arrows while you were still a little stain in your momma's undershorts[*]Never question what Fred Bear does. Never. He's always watching. He will get even.[*]Fred Bear has the final say on all matters.[*]This is not a democracy. You will do what Fred Bear tells you to do. No exceptions.[*]Fred Bear is a staunch advocate of performance enhancing drugs on arrows. [/ul]


That kinda goes agianst what Fred stood for.

He quit gun hunting and started the bow thing because of the lack of challenge. He would not consider anything that made it easier. He went with bows for the challenge, no other reason.


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