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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
Again...it comes back to hunting being VERY personal. "ME".....I will never be satisfied as a deer hunter.....until I take a deer with my longbow.
Do I think this is a desire (or should be) of everyone? Heck no. Nor should it be. |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
MW, Nice post.
It is amazing how quickly people get the panties in a wad over something like this post. If a guy can hit his mark, 10 out of 10 at 20 yards regardless of weapon, it's not harder one way or another, it's about getting the animal at that 20 yards, not hitting him. Kill a mature buck every-year (4-1/2 or older) with a compound - then tell me it's "too easy"..... I shooot a compound as does the OP, hes holdingone in his sig. but a compound is easier to shoot then a compound. Modern bowhunting is all about making it easier to kill a deer. |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
There is an added bit of romance to using traditional gear, to see if you are man enough to hunt and take animals with the same gear your grandfatherused. Are you as good an outdoorsman as he was, as skilled? Arthur it's harder I know, my point is playing "what the indians did" is silly. The reason I do not used them is simple, it's too hard and I do not have the time to become a consistant killer with one. I would wound way to many deer. Just being honest |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: Arthur P The romance is in the hunt IMO, not what one shoots. Are you capable of hunting with primitive gear and hunting in the way of your unknown ancientancestor, back in the depths of time? Those of you who scorn the Native Americans seem to forget that we ALL - even those with pearly white skin, blonde hair and blue eyes -had someone in our ancestry who hunted with a wooden bow and an arrow with flint head. May have been 50,000 years ago, but if he hadn't hunted and killed enough meat to survive to pass on his genes, you wouldn't be here right now. I'm sure that ancient one would've loved to have had a Bowtech or a sleek .270 with Zeiss scope. He used the best technologythat was available to him, just as you do. Some of us like turningtime upside downand finding out if we are still up to the task of learning to shoot well enough with his technology toethically hunt with it. To see if we, as modern man, would be capable of hanging in there in an ancient hunting party without embarrassing ourselves. It's a romantic idea indeed. Doesn't seem tohave very broad appeal though. Romance and artistry are wasted on technocrats. ;) You should write in the Campfire Philosopher section in TBM!   |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
Sure it's silly, Germ! Soare mountain man rendezvous, Civil War reinactments, Society for Creative Anachronism, cowboy action shooting, rennaisance fairs and all that kind of stuff. That's kinda the whole point of it. Some folks just get fed up with moderntimes, with technology ruling practically every aspect of their lives. These folks love doing a little make believe and taking a step back to a simpler time, if only for a few hours, just for a little vacation away from it all.
Maybe you're just denying your inner child? [8D] |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
We had this talk the other night.
Was living back than easier or harder than now. I think it was way harder, but much easier;) Living today is way easier, but much harder. I doubt many of us could live and survive the way the Indians did. I myself am not a great stalker of game, I am a good ambush hunter, but not a stalker. I doubt my methods would work back than. I do get a kick of Trad guys driving there cars to hunting spots, LOL I ask where are your horses? Indians used the best equipement and methods they had, I do the same;) |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: Arthur P Sure it's silly, Germ! Soare mountain man rendezvous, Civil War reinactments, Society for Creative Anachronism, cowboy action shooting, rennaisance fairs and all that kind of stuff. That's kinda the whole point of it. Some folks just get fed up with moderntimes, with technology ruling practically every aspect of their lives. These folks love doing a little make believe and taking a step back to a simpler time, if only for a few hours, just for a little vacation away from it all. |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
I love hunting with and shooting my recurve. There's justsomething very appealing about the simplicity of it but it definitely isn't the way the indians did it. Realistically it is "traditional" equipment that is very technologically advanced, and I'm OK with that. In all honesty I would love to try doing it as the indians did and would love to use hunting tools that were hand made by me.
In my mind it is similiar to my blackpowder hunting. I hunt with my blackpowder gun during "primitive" weapons season which is funny because ther is nothing remotely primitive about that gun. It looks and actsmore like a sniper rifle than some relic from the past. So in a way I feel like I'm cheating and deep inside I want to buy an old flintlock, iron sight,loose powder muzzleloader and really try to challenge myself and learn a little about the way it used to be done. So why don't I do it? Make the self bow, arrows, flint heads, deer tendons the whole nine yards. Why not get an old flintlock kit and tackle that challenge as well? Simple & honestanswer, it's not practical right now, it's not convenient. Those are interests and hobbies that would require a great deal of investment as far as my time and budget. To be absolutely confident in the equipment and my abilities with the equipment would cost me more time than I can afford right now. I guess I feel like there are probably quite a few people in the same boat, that would like to just not right now, maybe when I retire or when the kids are grown or when I hit the lotto, maybe then. Hell I might try to kill some buffalos and build a tee-pee.;) |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: Germ There is an added bit of romance to using traditional gear, to see if you are man enough to hunt and take animals with the same gear your grandfatherused. Are you as good an outdoorsman as he was, as skilled? Arthur it's harder I know, my point is playing "what the indians did" is silly. The reason I do not used them is simple, it's too hard and I do not have the time to become a consistant killer with one. I would wound way to many deer. Just being honest |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
Just a thought here. I do agree that there is something special about returning to old ways. Sleeping under the stars with no tent. Gardening for your own food. Traditional hunting (be it bow or muzzleloader). My question, for our year in and year out hunting, do we owe it to the deer to use the most effective tools available? Increase the efficiency of the kill? I guess the same arguement could be made for gun hunting instead of bow hunting. Just wondering. With the greatly increased chances of not making a clean kill with stone points and no sights, you greatly increase the reliance on the skill of the hunter. I guess my point becomes, if you are going to trad hunt, make sure you put the practice time in for the sake of the game.
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