The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
#171
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver
I get the feeling that some ofthese tradguys think the world owes them a favor because they pretendto besome kind of indian Tontowanna-be throwback woodsman, who has some "higher level" of appreciation for archery, the wilderness, and all that is wild and natural in life. They have howling wolf sculptures in their house, with dreamcatchers hanging from the rear-view mirror. Meanwhile they hunt about as hard as my left ass cheek. Sitting at home and staring at your $1000 longbow, orcheering onFrodo as heshoots Gargoyles on Lord of the Rings with a recurvedoesn't make you the next Tred Barta. Sorry.
I get the feeling that some ofthese tradguys think the world owes them a favor because they pretendto besome kind of indian Tontowanna-be throwback woodsman, who has some "higher level" of appreciation for archery, the wilderness, and all that is wild and natural in life. They have howling wolf sculptures in their house, with dreamcatchers hanging from the rear-view mirror. Meanwhile they hunt about as hard as my left ass cheek. Sitting at home and staring at your $1000 longbow, orcheering onFrodo as heshoots Gargoyles on Lord of the Rings with a recurvedoesn't make you the next Tred Barta. Sorry.
#172
Ithrew up my own experience of missing a buck at 16 yards, I'm here to tell you that I could have hit the damn thing with traditional gear so why would traditional gear have made that hunt "harder"?
I think the main thing that makes a traditional hunt harder is the distance, somtimes we compounders do wait until a deer is in traditional range but we don't have to and most of the time don't. How many times have we had deer make it to 40 yards and not been able to get a shot. Now think about if you have to get the thing into 15 yards not because at 25 yards he stepped behind a bush so you couldn't shoot. Then when the deer gets to 15 yards you can't draw back when his head is behind a tree and wait for him to clear. I think that makes the hunt harder. How many fewer deer would all of have killed if we were forced to use traditional gear.
The point I still think the OP was trying to make is if you do the things your self the more meaningful the kill becomes. You listen to these folks it a doe with all home made equipment means as much to them as a 140 class buck.
Same thing with a do it yourself hunt vs a guided hunt. Why do most us perfer to do it ourselfifwe can .
Why do most of the folks here hunt with a bow? Because it's harder and more fulfilling the gun kill, that's why I do it.
If it doesn't matter how an animal is killed,why is it when someone shows you a picture one of the first things that go through your mind is what you get it with?
If someone tells me I killed it with a homede bow and arrows and by the way I even made the broadhead, I personally would say WOW and that would register even a little more respect from me.
#173
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From: Inverness, MS
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
I get the feeling that some ofthese tradguys think the world owes them a favor because they pretendto besome kind of indian Tontowanna-be throwback woodsman, who has some "higher level" of appreciation for archery, the wilderness, and all that is wild and natural in life.
I get the feeling that some ofthese tradguys think the world owes them a favor because they pretendto besome kind of indian Tontowanna-be throwback woodsman, who has some "higher level" of appreciation for archery, the wilderness, and all that is wild and natural in life.
I think you have just as many compounders doing the same thing to gun hunters.......
I agree that there are a lot of trad guys that do it for the "look"...... But so what? Hunting CAN be all things to all people.... As long as they are having fun and not pissing on anyone else's parade, I have no problem with it.....
I'm no trad elitist, trust me.....Hell, I've missed three deer within 15yds this year..... What is there to be elitist about?
#174
I took a running shot at 25 yards and just missed my mark.





Just adds to your credibility. [8D][8D][8D]
#175
I definitely agree Doublecreek. There are wanna-bees in all walks of life.
I know compounders whose trucks are covered in "size matters" and "bowtech" stickers. They've got new bows, new stands, a $40,000 ride,but they couldn't hunt their way out of a wet paper bag. I stereotype them just the same. I've hunted long enough to know the percentages.
The fact of the matter is: Most hunters, no matter what they're using - are totally inept. Hunter success rates are abyssmally low, no matter what the weapon. My beef with the trad guys is that they pretend to be handicapping themselves, and use that as an excuse for their lack of productivity. And I guess I'll never understand the whole "wanting to be an indian" thing.
BobCo - Since we're being honest here, I really couldn't care less what you think about my ethics.I watched Tred Barta miss 19 mulies the other night - some moving, some standing, some out past 40 yards... Here's a quarter. CallTred. Maybe he cares.
I know compounders whose trucks are covered in "size matters" and "bowtech" stickers. They've got new bows, new stands, a $40,000 ride,but they couldn't hunt their way out of a wet paper bag. I stereotype them just the same. I've hunted long enough to know the percentages.
The fact of the matter is: Most hunters, no matter what they're using - are totally inept. Hunter success rates are abyssmally low, no matter what the weapon. My beef with the trad guys is that they pretend to be handicapping themselves, and use that as an excuse for their lack of productivity. And I guess I'll never understand the whole "wanting to be an indian" thing.
BobCo - Since we're being honest here, I really couldn't care less what you think about my ethics.I watched Tred Barta miss 19 mulies the other night - some moving, some standing, some out past 40 yards... Here's a quarter. CallTred. Maybe he cares.
#176
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Other than thosefew considerations, for the most part - a guy who tags out every year with the compound would likely do the same with traditional gear.If you're hunting with trad gear and eating your tags, it's not because you're necessarily handicapped by "inferior" equipment. It's a plain old lack of skill.
Other than thosefew considerations, for the most part - a guy who tags out every year with the compound would likely do the same with traditional gear.If you're hunting with trad gear and eating your tags, it's not because you're necessarily handicapped by "inferior" equipment. It's a plain old lack of skill.
#177
These are statements you made when you decided to buy a recurve and hunt with it the next day, and now a couple from this thread.
You said you knew your limits and from what you said here it would be around ten yards but your shooting at running deer at 25 and a doe at 33? Maybe you should call TRed Barta because you sound alot like him.
It say's you were hitting a pie plate within 15 minutes at 12-15 yards but you originally said you were practicing at under 20 feet.
I guees you trusted your gut and ethics went right out the window eh, and your worried about kids being able to gun hunt.[:'(]
Matt - you're right. Any time you go bowhunting (or even GUN hunting) - you run the risk of a bad hit. If I was afraid of losing a deer, I wouldn't hunt. At all. Everytime I step out of the car with the bow in my hand, I am 100% prepared to cope with whatever happens that day - good or bad.
I know my limits, and I'm 100% prepared for whatever transpires, good or bad.
This is about trusting your gut, enjoying yourselfand beingcomfortable withyour ability to recover what you shoot, not worrying about what other people think is outside the bounds of their own ethical constraints.
I know my limits, and I'm 100% prepared for whatever transpires, good or bad.
This is about trusting your gut, enjoying yourselfand beingcomfortable withyour ability to recover what you shoot, not worrying about what other people think is outside the bounds of their own ethical constraints.
Within 15 minutes of shooting it, Iwas inside a pie plate at 12-15 yards almost every time. In 4 hunts, I've had 3 deer within 8 yards on the ground. One was a legal buck, for which I had no tag. I honestlybelieve he would have been dead if Ihad a tag.The other 2 were doe (together) and busted me drawing. I took a running shot at 25 yards and just missed my mark. I also missed a big doe at 33 yards, when she stepped out of the way of my arrow. So I have no doubt that if I put the time in, I'd get one. I might get one this Saturday, now that we're on the subject.
Ideally, I'd like to keep it under 10 yards, but I think I'd stretch it out a few more yards if given the opportunity.
I will shootsaid bow in my basement tonight for probably an hour (range < 20 feet).
It say's you were hitting a pie plate within 15 minutes at 12-15 yards but you originally said you were practicing at under 20 feet.
I guees you trusted your gut and ethics went right out the window eh, and your worried about kids being able to gun hunt.[:'(]
#178
Well, Charlie, it turned out that I originally underestimated how accurate I would actually be with the thing. Imagine that! [:-] When I got to the woods the first morning (before heading to my ground blind),I started shooting at some random targets out at 10-20-30 yards, and I was a whole lot better at shooting it than I had planned.
To be honest, going in, I thought I'd be lucky to hit asheet of plywoodat 10 yards. Hell, I was hitting a crushed pop can at that range.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I know my limits and I'm 100% comfortable with whatever happens, good or bad. I know that really scorches a lot of you, but I honestly don't care.
To be honest, going in, I thought I'd be lucky to hit asheet of plywoodat 10 yards. Hell, I was hitting a crushed pop can at that range.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I know my limits and I'm 100% comfortable with whatever happens, good or bad. I know that really scorches a lot of you, but I honestly don't care.
#179
BobCo - Since we're being honest here, I really couldn't care less what you think about my ethics.I watched Tred Barta miss 19 mulies the other night - some moving, some standing, some out past 40 yards... Here's a quarter. CallTred. Maybe he cares.


Time fora little deflection Huh?????? Nice try.....

I took a running shot at 25 yards and just missed my mark. I also missed a big doe at 33 yards, when she stepped out of the way of my arrow.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I know my limits and I'm 100% comfortable with whatever happens,
Sure do know your limits....


ROTFLMAO! 

