Would you turn him in?
12-27-2007, 08:20 AM
#131
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: North Lima Ohio & Clarion Pa
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RE: Would you turn him in?
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
Not going by the voting, just going by the responses and the “well it depends” attitude of most of them. Which I can understand to a point, but it just seems like there is a double standard out there. You’ll see on the boards all the time. We HATE poachers! Down with those scum! Then ask people if they turn them in and it’s “Well…it wasn’t in my area….I don’t know all the facts…..maybe he was feeding his family……”
So your saying, you are being investigator, judge & jury BEFORE making the call? Shouldn't the WCO make that determination if there is enough to investigate?
Not going by the voting, just going by the responses and the “well it depends” attitude of most of them. Which I can understand to a point, but it just seems like there is a double standard out there. You’ll see on the boards all the time. We HATE poachers! Down with those scum! Then ask people if they turn them in and it’s “Well…it wasn’t in my area….I don’t know all the facts…..maybe he was feeding his family……”
But we'd each weigh the facts, the character of the people accused, what's here-say vs what can we prove if we turn them in.
12-27-2007, 08:22 AM
#132
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
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RE: Would you turn him in?
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
12-27-2007, 08:29 AM
#134
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
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RE: Would you turn him in?
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
What if he comes and steals and smashes your computer cuz he's tired of arguing every possible scenerio??
Does that make him a hero or a villian??
What if he comes and steals and smashes your computer cuz he's tired of arguing every possible scenerio??
Does that make him a hero or a villian??
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12-27-2007, 08:29 AM
#135
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Antioch, IL
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RE: Would you turn him in?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
What if he is stealing heating oil to provide heat for his family? You gonna deny his family heat? Or like the other guy said, how about if he steals money from you to feed his family? Is it OK to break the law if you are "providing" for your family?
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
12-27-2007, 08:31 AM
#136
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
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RE: Would you turn him in?
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
do you equate stealing from other people to feeding his family from natural resources?? i sure don't... i see that particular example as no different than cutting down a tree for heat...
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
What if he is stealing heating oil to provide heat for his family? You gonna deny his family heat? Or like the other guy said, how about if he steals money from you to feed his family? Is it OK to break the law if you are "providing" for your family?
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
EDIT: Oh, and go into any park and try and cut down a tree for heat and see if it is "free"
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12-27-2007, 08:42 AM
#137
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan/Ohio
Posts: 11,682
RE: Would you turn him in?
I think point that some are missing is this:
If it is a friend who needs help, he will get it from me. If I sit back let a friend get to a point he has to steal/poach/lie to feed his family; well I am not much of a friend than.
If it is a friend who needs help, he will get it from me. If I sit back let a friend get to a point he has to steal/poach/lie to feed his family; well I am not much of a friend than.
12-27-2007, 08:46 AM
#138
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Antioch, IL
Posts: 661
RE: Would you turn him in?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
If the natural resources are "free" to take then why do you buy a hunting license and only hunt in season?
EDIT: Oh, and go into any park and try and cut down a tree for heat and see if it is "free".
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
do you equate stealing from other people to feeding his family from natural resources?? i sure don't... i see that particular example as no different than cutting down a tree for heat...
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
What if he is stealing heating oil to provide heat for his family? You gonna deny his family heat? Or like the other guy said, how about if he steals money from you to feed his family? Is it OK to break the law if you are "providing" for your family?
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
EDIT: Oh, and go into any park and try and cut down a tree for heat and see if it is "free"
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as for the park? well, that's maintained by tax dollars, i'm sure he's payin taxes on somethin no? point being that I didn't say free, just that its the moral equivalent of using a tree for heat... not like he's robbing someone at gun point or breaking into their home to get their fuel oil for his home...
but as I said way earlier in this thread, if a few deer are more important than your friends you seriously need to look at your priorities... based on GMMAT's further details, I'm on the fence about whether or not this guy is actually a friend rather more like an acquaintance, but in the end, i doubt I'd turn him in regardless for fear of retribution if he found out who turned him in... besides, if you did it annonomously how could you continue to shoot and BS with him without carrying around a ton of guilt, obviously his act is despicable to GMMAT, so why conitnue to hang out with him??? first course of action should be to tell him what you think about the situation, he'll either listen and take it to heart or he'll stop associating with GMMAT... either way, the results will tell you if he is a friend or not... if he bails on the "friendship" he wasn't a friend and there should be no guilt in turning him in if thats the decision... but if he is a friend he may actually listen and start living up to the rules... in the end, its just a matter of time before he does get caught, karma is a b!tch and I see no need to insert myself into a situation any further than that...
12-27-2007, 08:49 AM
#139
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 772
RE: Would you turn him in?
To those who have a strong stance on this topic, my question is how many hunters do you hang out with or know just as an acquaintancesthat you consider to be "poachers" or "game law breakers"? Reason I ask is that it's easy to answer the question with a knee-jerk response - "Heck yeah I'd turn them in" - if you don't know anyone first hand who might be involved in questionable activities.
12-27-2007, 08:51 AM
#140
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,175
RE: Would you turn him in?
taking someone elses example, what if the guy IS feeding his family out of this, he's breakin the law, you're gonna deny his family of food???
We had apoll on here a whileback about breakinggame laws and would you do it. It ran about the same way this one is going, with a pretty healthy majority saying they already do, or would in 'special circumstances'. Just like the 'special circumstances' excuses being made here. I lost a lot of respect for a great manypeople on this forum over that one. This poll is just reinforcing the result of that one.
But talk about hypocrites! Griping about others' ethics shortcomings while you go around talking and acting likeour game lawsare optional? Grey area my hind end!
