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Do you need a hug tuco?? We will throw you out on pavement next time [8D]
ORIGINAL: Tuco Of course I would let you and Ivan hunt on my prime property even though you guys kicked me out of the truck that day going 50mph down a gravel road.BAM![quote]ORIGINAL: bloodcreek Thats my buddy right there ;) vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv ORIGINAL: Tuco Nobody in the "Hunting Industry" comes by my house, holds a gun to my head and makes me buy their stuff. I buy what I want because I can and I don't buy stuff Idon't want. If I had 1000 acres in Pike County IL, I would make money on it, as would most people. I could care less how "rich" people get selling aproduct as long as it is legit. |
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ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks ORIGINAL: The Rev I don't know where you come from, but in the U.S. it's called marketing. If you don't like it leave, I do. |
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For once I think I will keep my mouth shut.:D
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waaa. has the florida real estate market got you down? if you cant afford those hunts now then hunt public property like the rest of us
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Pro staffers and pro hunters do not bother me. I enjoy some of their shows. What upsets me is the ever growing inability to hunt unless you pay big bucks for it. If I did not own my own land, Id be hard pressed for a place to hunt. Where i live, you use to be able to ask a farmer/rancher if you could hunt his land. Most of the time he would say sure, just take care of the place. Now you get, "sorry, I lease the rights to X outfitters". And to hunt that very land you will be paying 500 to 1000 bucks a weekend to hunt it. I guess I could quit complaining and w h o r e out my land, but I refuse to. My family, close friends, and I enjoy it for free. And thats how it will stay.
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I don't watch any of their shows or buy their videos. The stuff they promote is too expensive and their Baloney doesn't sit well with me anyway. I don't need a so called Pro to tell me what to use or how to hunt. The only thing I would like is to huntwhere they hunt.
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I read the first 4 pages of this post, that's 5 minutes of my life I will never get back and I'm dumber for it.
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I think one reason that many may begrudge "pro staffers" is the representation of themselves (in many cases) asbeing a better hunter and therefore an "authority" on hunting.
Thereare few who could argue that Tiger Woods is not the best golfer in the world or that Michael Jordan is not the best basketball player and that their own competitive accomplishments have rightly given them a certain authority to speak on subjects related to their sport. However, although hunting is an individual sport, many have come to place the "size of the deer (or animal)killed" in direct relation to a hunters ability. This is not always accurate when it comes down to it...especially regarding these "pro-staffers". I'm not saying that there is not some correlationbetween hunting abilityand animal size, but"ability" is not always the main ingredient and becomes incrementally smaller, imo,as more andmoreof the "pre-hunt work" is performed by someone other than the person pulling the trigger, which is often the case with these "recognizeable figures" in the hunting industry. You can be on TV, etc.because you are a great marketer or businessman although you may or may not be able to "hunt"or "fish" a lick. Still, there are some legitimate experts out there...just probably not as many as some would think. |
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Well as a matter of fact thats what I do... I amin land and property accquisitions.. And I am litterally buying a property per week thank you... I made all my money buying not selling... Believe me, I can afford to hunt anywhere in the world, and I have hunted all over north america... My thread was not based solely on money.. It was in defense of the working class people, which is what I have always been.. and what the so called professional hunting industry has turned deer hunting into...
By the way, when you get ready to retire and want to move to FL call me and I will sell you a property!:D |
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I can't believe this rediculous thread is still going!:eek:
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ORIGINAL: hillbillyhunter1 I think one reason that many may begrudge "pro staffers" is the representation of themselves (in many cases) asbeing a better hunter and therefore an "authority" on hunting. Thereare few who could argue that Tiger Woods is not the best golfer in the world or that Michael Jordan is not the best basketball player and that their own competitive accomplishments have rightly given them a certain authority to speak on subjects related to their sport. However, although hunting is an individual sport, many have come to place the "size of the deer (or animal)killed" in direct relation to a hunters ability. This is not always accurate when it comes down to it...especially regarding these "pro-staffers". I'm not saying that there is not some correlationbetween hunting abilityand animal size, but"ability" is not always the main ingredient and becomes incrementally smaller, imo,as more andmoreof the "pre-hunt work" is performed by someone other than the person pulling the trigger, which is often the case with these "recognizeable figures" in the hunting industry. You can be on TV, etc.because you are a great marketer or businessman although you may or may not be able to "hunt"or "fish" a lick. Still, there are some legitimate experts out there...just probably not as many as some would think. Thank you, you could not have said it better... That was the point I was trying to make.. I have read numerous books on hunting and there are a few Pro Staff people I believe they are incredible hunters.. Those people have many many years of hunting.. They have hunted big woods bucks, public land, and put numerous miles on their vehicle just to scout farms.. I am not afraid to post their names because I think alot of them and thier accomplishments.. Greg Miller, Charles Alshiemer, The Benoit Family from Maine. These guys have intrigued and inspired me while reading their books. So I am not against everyone in the industry... Maybe I should have presented my thread differently... I hunt because I truely love hunting, and I enjoy hunting mature whitetails, but any deer taken is a trophy to me because of the story behind itand because of the wonderful experience spent in the outdoors and with friends and family.. Thats what it is about for me... Tradition, is big with me too. I just feel that even though the sport of deer hunting is bigger than ever, the back bone and values are gone from it... All the gimmicks on the market seem they are geared toward helping make someone become a good hunter over night without paying thier dues.. I have always beena firm believer in Crawling before you walk in life.. And if you are going to do something, do it the best you can with true passion, do it for the right reasons, and be ethical.. Seems that even generations today have those same veiws of skipping over the working to get where you want and starting at the top.. To me, life doesn't work that way... |
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You must like the threadand agree with itbecause you are still reading it........ Maybe you like pain since the truth hurts...
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ORIGINAL: lungbuster12point06 I can't believe this rediculous thread is still going!:eek: What does team hammer dog mean??? Do you like to kill pet dogs or something?? Or do you and your friends double team dogs?? |
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ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks I am not afraid to post their names because I think alot of them and thier accomplishments.... The Benoit Family from Maine.  I hope that was a joke..... |
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As for the pros, yeah, I've met a few @ the deer/turkey expo. They were always willing to talk as long as u wanted to buy a video/book. As for the hunting gear, you have to admit that with some of the things out there, you can get a little closer to the deer, your bow may shoot a little quieter, hence the deer not jumping the string. Like everything else in life, all those things have there place. With the videos, a bunch of us often watch them for entertainment value. I'd love to see on of those prostaffers come & hunt on the public land I hunt w/no guides, no food plots, & lots of other hunters to compete with. If they could shoot one of those 30pt monsters, there, then I'd be impressed. You have a much higher success rate on private land than on public. As for the trophy oportunities, I'm not saying that you won't shoot a big buck, but they are rare. Will I stop buying the gimmicks, heck no, ther'e fun to play around with. Yes the industry has driven up the price of hunting. Guided hunts are out of my reach all together. As for land purchases, forget it. I was just hunting a small parcel of land. 40acres. 10woods, 30 tillable w/a house & garage. Nothing fancy, farmhouse. Asking price $1.5mill. It sold last week. The average acre runs for about 25-35k. So I'll just get my popcorn, sit back & be entertained here.
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ORIGINAL: in da woods 40acres. 10woods, 30 tillable w/a house & garage. Nothing fancy, farmhouse. Asking price $1.5mill. It sold last week. The average acre runs for about 25-35k.  I think your firgures are a lit......make that a lot off. |
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Who ate all the popcorn?
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Talondale and Cougar Mag...great post from you guys on the subject.
Cougar really nailed it though. If you want to really take the shine off something you love, just try doing it for a living. For example, ask the guy at the local bait shop if he's been fishing lately. Lol, usually those guys don't have much time. And I'll bet they get pretty tire of hearing the fishing stories too. Hunting wouldn't be all that different. If you had to travel all that much, and be a rep with a smile week in and week out, talking at various seminars and venues, you might get awfully sick of talking about hunting. Heck I can only read so much about "which broadhead is best" and similar topics and I don't hunt or represent a hunting product for a living. I bet Justin gets tired of talking about hunting at times too, but I could be wrong. But, I think the author does make some valid points too. I think everyone wishes things were as simple as they were decades ago when our fathers and grandfathers could simply visit the neighbors and go hunting. Things change. The internet has changed so many things and hunting is one of them. Most of the change has been good in my opinion. I'm just grateful for what I've had from hunting so far. |
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I here ya.. You are right there are alot of things out that do help get an edge.. I guess what bothers me the most is that alot of hunters put these people on pedestals and get impressed with all their hype.. I agree with you, put them on public land and see how they do... Like I said, some of the best hunters I know have never killed a p&y buck, but their skills are incredible.. Also with these pro staff people, take away most of their time and give them 3 weeks vacation and and a few weekends to do all their hunting and scouting... See how successful they would be on a piece of public land.. There are alot of truely great hunters out there with passion for the sport..
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Go back to Canada... where they don't support the US and our troops!!!
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ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks Go back to Canada... where they don't support the US and our troops!!! |
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ORIGINAL: lungbuster12point06 ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks Go back to Canada... where they don't support the US and our troops!!! Life Member of NRA 2Life Time Hunting Licenses in 2 states Member of DU Member of NWTF Member of Elk Foundation Member of 2 hunting clubs And I am a trapper.... Edit: First warning for the line I deleted here! |
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ORIGINAL: lungbuster12point06 ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks Go back to Canada... where they don't support the US and our troops!!! |
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If you truly support all of those organizations why do you post up non sense that tries to pit hunters against hunters? Having an opinion on a product or company is one thing, but when you start bashing people because they disagree with you,I start to think maybe you are impersonating a real hunter and just trying to cause a rift between people on a hunting site.
You don't like pro-staffers and the hunting industry and you are free to have your opinion, I just find it strange that you would be a member of a website that has a number of pro-staffers as members and also has numerous sponsors from the hunting industry............... Seems rather contradictory to me:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks Go back to Canada... where they don't support the US and our troops!!! Oh yeah....I'm not from Canada......I'm from the good ol USA. |
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ORIGINAL: lungbuster12point06 I can't believe this rediculous thread is still going!:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: lungbuster12point06 If you truly support all of those organizations why do you post up non sense that tries to pit hunters against hunters? Having an opinion on a product or company is one thing, but when you start bashing people because they disagree with you,I start to think maybe you are impersonating a real hunter and just trying to cause a rift between people on a hunting site. You don't like pro-staffers and the hunting industry and you are free to have your opinion, I just find it strange that you would be a member of a website that has a number of pro-staffers as members and also has numerous sponsors from the hunting industry............... Seems rather contradictory to me:eek: I absolutely don't want to pit hunters against each other and everyone has a right to their opinion.. I spoke straight and forward on my thread and I expected the same with my responses. It agrevates me when people bash my opinion like you did... Just state you disagree and give your reasons.. I don't begrudge the pro staff people, I just don't feel they are all they are cracked up to be as far as their hunting skills on what they market themselves.. That is all.. As far as products, I buy some things, but most things are gimmicks that are riding on Prostaff's backs as what is making them a incredible hunter.. If we all had time, unlimited funds, and a camera man,couldn't we all kill or have opportunities to take big deer and other animals... Would that make me an authority on Hunting???? I am not saying all, but most Pro Staff hunt with outfitters that do all the scouting, stand placements, leg work for them.. How can they say that they are an authority on deer??? It is the guide that is.. maybe he should be endorsing what works for him... Example: I bought a video from a local hunting store that was produced by 3 local guys that are young but did a great job with it and it's editing.. They never killed a P&Y buck on the video.... Lots of kills and none of the mistakes, mishaps were edited out... They did deer drives, hunted on the ground, and they had misses, a couple of bad hits, but most were great kills.. Nothing was edited out to make them look like they were great hunters.. It was REAL...and I enjoyed it very much because most hunters experience that.I have seen so many videos were pro staff guys have taken very very poor shots on the deer and never act like they did something wrong... Stan P*tts shot a huge 190" deer straight on in the front.. How is that being a pro... It is our ethical responsiblity to take clean kills.. Not saying I haven't done it when I was starting out at the ages of 13 and 14 butI progressed to be a better hunter andI also don't proclaim to be any kind of a pro, and I regreted those times undoubtedly thinking back... My last point is that I just miss when hunting was just hunting... where you didn't need all the gimmicks and the kitchen sink.. Believe me I bought into the products for many years, but it wasn't till the last 5-6yrs I have just simplified down on gear and I go out an just hunt hard and I still kill alot of respectful deer.The industry seems like a cult now, and it made it hard for a working class guy to enjoy good hunting without emptying the bank.. To me this is going to drive guys not to hunt anymore... You know I have valid points and you may not care. I just wondered if anyone else felt the same.. As far as my remarks toward you , I apologize but dont think for one minute I don't love hunting... My life, job and everything else has been built around hunting because I have passion for it.. Have a Merry Christmas..and Happy Hunting. NYBigbucks. |
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ORIGINAL: shawnfogelman ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d I'd rather talk to you guys who are out there battling the same things I face. Finding land, scouting, passing immature bucks, balancing life with hunting time..etc. I can benefit from your expiriences. Harleys haven't been the same since theyare no longer a dirty word. Harleys were at one time the wild horse that roamed the open range. Money was not the issue in riding one. Mine never had a saddle. Rode it bare back, leather saddle bags and a bed roll. It was a time when a guy if he wanted in was required to do things, things that... One was if a guy got some new pants they couldn't be worn until all had baptized them with their golden water while they laid in the dirt. That was one of the milder things. A guy on a Harley scared the crap out of people. They were for the guy who didn't fit with all the "beautiful people". There's an old saying about dressing up a pig, still a pig. For some reason it become fashionable for the beautiful people to dress up as hogs. I think that's the point the author of this thread is trying to make. The mountain man was at one time the outcast; he didn't fit in with the beautiful people. These days the beautiful people parade themselves around as mountain men. They've taken away from the outcast the only thing they really have, his individuality; He can’t afford it. Being push out of his hovel. Kind of like the tax man and bankers used to do to poor farmers. |
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ORIGINAL: nodog ORIGINAL: shawnfogelman ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d I'd rather talk to you guys who are out there battling the same things I face. Finding land, scouting, passing immature bucks, balancing life with hunting time..etc. I can benefit from your expiriences. Harleys haven't been the same since theyare no longer a dirty word. Harleys were at one time the wild horse that roamed the open range. Money was not the issue in riding one. Mine never had a saddle. Rode it bare back, leather saddle bags and a bed roll. It was a time when a guy if he wanted in was required to do things, things that... One was if a guy got some new pants they couldn't be worn until all had baptized them with their golden water while they laid in the dirt. That was one of the milder things. A guy on a Harley scared the crap out of people. They were for the guy who didn't fit with all the "beautiful people". There's an old saying about dressing up a pig, still a pig. For some reason it become fashionable for the beautiful people to dress up as hogs. I think that's the point the author of this thread is trying to make. The mountain man was at one time the outcast; he didn't fit in with the beautiful people. These days the beautiful people parade themselves around as mountain men. They've taken away from the outcast the only thing they really have, his individuality; He can’t afford it. Being push out of his hovel. Kind of like the tax man and bankers used to do to poor farmers. |
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ORIGINAL: nodog ORIGINAL: shawnfogelman ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d I'd rather talk to you guys who are out there battling the same things I face. Finding land, scouting, passing immature bucks, balancing life with hunting time..etc. I can benefit from your expiriences. Harleys haven't been the same since theyare no longer a dirty word. Harleys were at one time the wild horse that roamed the open range. Money was not the issue in riding one. Mine never had a saddle. Rode it bare back, leather saddle bags and a bed roll. It was a time when a guy if he wanted in was required to do things, things that... One was if a guy got some new pants they couldn't be worn until all had baptized them with their golden water while they laid in the dirt. That was one of the milder things. A guy on a Harley scared the crap out of people. They were for the guy who didn't fit with all the "beautiful people". There's an old saying about dressing up a pig, still a pig. For some reason it become fashionable for the beautiful people to dress up as hogs. I think that's the point the author of this thread is trying to make. The mountain man was at one time the outcast; he didn't fit in with the beautiful people. These days the beautiful people parade themselves around as mountain men. They've taken away from the outcast the only thing they really have, his individuality; He can’t afford it. Being push out of his hovel. Kind of like the tax man and bankers used to do to poor farmers. Thank You, someone gets my point of veiw.. and yes I was 18 and bought custom softail used for $3,900. It was the first year of the evolution engine and the last year of the chain drive.. Amen to what you said! Merry Christmas. |
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ORIGINAL: shawnfogelman I understood his very point. As I understand yours as well. I used the $13,000 as just an example. I too remember the $6000. But the majority of people on this site are younger..., ie... they don't know what an 8-Track is...he-he (Showing some age now huh...) I actually rode with a guy who went by the name of mountain man. He was and died in his 40's. Lived hard, died young. Fortunetly the Good Lord had a firmer hand with me,my wife.:D One of his greatest rides was buck naked down a main street right past the college.:DThe watering hole in town was appropriately called the Animal Shelter. |
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ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks Thank You, someone gets my point of veiw.. and yes I was 18 and bought custom softail used for $3,900. It was the first year of the evolution engine and the last year of the chain drive.. Amen to what you said! Merry Christmas. Thanks for sticking up for the outcast. Hard for me to listen to the tax man and banker cry "poor me, you just don't understand. I've really had a hard time scratching and clawing my way to where I am". Cutting deals behind my back or in many cases on it. That's the rub, groups of people worshiping them at the chance to be let into the life style. Like thesongs goes though "a country boy can survive":D I am no dog that worships the boot that kicks me.[8D] |
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Go back to Canada... where they don't support the US and our troops!!! As far as Canada supporting our troops ask the soldiers that were saved in Afghanistan by Canadian snipers if they think Canada supports our troops. |
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ORIGINAL: NYBigbucks I ama hunter, I eat, sleep and breath it... I absolutely don't want to pit hunters against each other and everyone has a right to their opinion.. I spoke straight and forward on my thread and I expected the same with my responses. It agrevates me when people bash my opinion like you did... Just state you disagree and give your reasons.. I don't begrudge the pro staff people, I just don't feel they are all they are cracked up to be as far as their hunting skills on what they market themselves.. That is all.. As far as products, I buy some things, but most things are gimmicks that are riding on Prostaff's backs as what is making them a incredible hunter.. If we all had time, unlimited funds, and a camera man,couldn't we all kill or have opportunities to take big deer and other animals... Would that make me an authority on Hunting???? I am not saying all, but most Pro Staff hunt with outfitters that do all the scouting, stand placements, leg work for them.. How can they say that they are an authority on deer??? It is the guide that is.. maybe he should be endorsing what works for him... Example: I bought a video from a local hunting store that was produced by 3 local guys that are young but did a great job with it and it's editing.. They never killed a P&Y buck on the video.... Lots of kills and none of the mistakes, mishaps were edited out... They did deer drives, hunted on the ground, and they had misses, a couple of bad hits, but most were great kills.. Nothing was edited out to make them look like they were great hunters.. It was REAL...and I enjoyed it very much because most hunters experience that.I have seen so many videos were pro staff guys have taken very very poor shots on the deer and never act like they did something wrong... Stan P*tts shot a huge 190" deer straight on in the front.. How is that being a pro... It is our ethical responsiblity to take clean kills.. Not saying I haven't done it when I was starting out at the ages of 13 and 14 butI progressed to be a better hunter andI also don't proclaim to be any kind of a pro, and I regreted those times undoubtedly thinking back... My last point is that I just miss when hunting was just hunting... where you didn't need all the gimmicks and the kitchen sink.. Believe me I bought into the products for many years, but it wasn't till the last 5-6yrs I have just simplified down on gear and I go out an just hunt hard and I still kill alot of respectful deer.The industry seems like a cult now, and it made it hard for a working class guy to enjoy good hunting without emptying the bank.. To me this is going to drive guys not to hunt anymore... You know I have valid points and you may not care. I just wondered if anyone else felt the same.. As far as my remarks toward you , I apologize but dont think for one minute I don't love hunting... My life, job and everything else has been built around hunting because I have passion for it.. Have a Merry Christmas..and Happy Hunting. NYBigbucks. I am not bashing your way of thinking and I think you made a better point in this post than you have the entire thread. You came across in the original post as being anti everything regarding "pro hunters" and pro-staffers, now you have made some sensible points that I can agree with as well, but you also have to understand that there is a demand for hunting videos as an entertainment source (which is why most companies use outfitters to tape their hunts because it is a whole lot easier to kill big deer consistantly if someone does your homework for you ahead of time) now does this make them an authority on hunting, by no means, it is just a way of providing the entertainment to the veiwers. I personally have not hunted with an outfitter in 11 years and I feel I provide veiwers with entertaining AND educationalvideos. I do all my OWN scouting and stand placement, I also self video most of my hunts which adds an even higher degree of difficulty to laying down good footage and having a successful hunt. I use some products such as scent control spray and broadheads from companies that I pro-staff for, but I will be the first one to tell you if I don't believe in a product, I will NOT endorse it. And i don't believe any one product is going to make you a better hunter just because you use it, but I do belive there are products out today that weren't say 10 years ago, that can increase your odds of killing deer (or whatever you are hunting), more accurate bows, better designed broadheads etc...... But just because we have new and improved products for hunting doesn't mean we HAVE to use them. That's why alot of archers are going to Trad. bows and why bow makers are still making longbows and recurves. To me what it all boils down to is this: each individual chooses how he/she hunts and the degree of difficulty in which they do it, you may prefer to use a selfbow and hunt in buckskin and that is cool, I choose to use a compound and wear newer camo clothes and that's just as cool because we are both after the same goal TO HAVE FUN WHILE HUNTING isn't that what it's all about? As to why there is a need for pro-staffers, well if you are in the market for a new broadhead because your old design is no longer avail. wouldn't you want someone to test the new design before you buy it, and give you an honest reveiw of how it performs? Now granted some companies obtain staffers that will say anything to sell their products regardless of how well they work, but for the most part pro-staffers are honest and will tell you what they think of a product or are happy to share a bit of wisdom they have gleaned from the woods. As for "pro hunters" I don't even know what constitutes a "pro hunter" but I will say that anyone that claims to be a pro hunter is probably nothing more than a hunting show "host" that takes you along every weekon a hunt where you probably won't learn anything but you may be entertained by the animals they video and kill.:eek: |
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I really hope this thread continues. It is really"great" advertisement for some companies . After reading some of the posts and coments from some with ties to certain companies or with "pro staff" behind their name it will make me think twice before buying their product.
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Everything stated is correct.
Shame on us for allowing itto happen. It's a Market????? Want to make a change? Stop buying as a consumer stop buying from some of the contributors of the problem. Only we can make a change. |
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ORIGINAL: HNIJustin I think the funniest part of these types of threads is that they're done on a message board that is sustained by the very industry that is so sorely despised by so many people that contribute to it. If it wasn't for the revenue generated by the evil hunting industry that has ruined the sport for so many of you guys, we wouldn't be able to afford to have such a great place for you to all gather together and complain about it. Party anyone? 
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In reply to Dan from pg.10. No absolutley not, my figures are not off. Walworth county has the highest real estate dollar rate in SE WI. I even called on 35 acres near my house. It was just land, no buildings. Asking price was $375k! The house next to mine, a simple ranch built in the 90's is going for $230K. We are very close to the ILL. line & people down there think that our real estate is a good deal compared to the prices they pay down there. Trust me, I've been looking around for quite some time. In fact the cheapest i found was a farmer I know willing to sell to me for $10K an acre. Up north it is a little bit more reasonable, land is around $2-3K an acre.
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